[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

[Thoreau72]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I'll call BS right there. Panicking people wouldnt be figuring out how to use plane phones. And they'd be struggling to use their own first. OR...why would they be using the plane phones instead of their cell phones?

More, some records suggest that either AA or UA had terminated their contract with Air Fone months before, which means the phones were there, but inoperative.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

More, some records suggest that either AA or UA had terminated their contract with Air Fone months before, which means the phones were there, but inoperative.

Yet you provide no links or proof? I wonder why? Same procedure you use when claiming things about nuclear radiation, radiation sickness, etc. You twist all this information into what YOU believe and purposely leave out the links to the information in hopes that people just take your word for it.

There are articles written that say the in flight phone service for American Airlines was being deactivated March 31st, 2002 for 654 of its domestic flights. The service would remain for Boeing 777s and 767-300s which were mainly used for international flights. Unlike you, I will provide the sources.

Airline to remove in-flight phones | vindy.com

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ame...n-usair/150568-aa-remove-inflight-phones.html

https://www.cnet.com/news/airline-grounds-in-flight-phone-service/

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I've done alot of studying of panicking people/how people react under stress. And figuring out unfamiliar technology (plane phone) would be a very large challenge.

Unfamiliar technology? It was swipe your credit card, dial the number. I flew on planes that had those and even used them. You are also assuming that the people on those planes were not frequent fliers and had never seen in plane phones before.

Ridiculous.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I've done alot of studying of panicking people/how people react under stress. And figuring out unfamiliar technology (plane phone) would be a very large challenge. No matter how simple 'you' seem to think they were or their 'simple' design.

Where did you do these studies? How were they carried out? Where can we study the results of your investigation?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Unfamiliar technology? It was swipe your credit card, dial the number. I flew on planes that had those and even used them. You are also assuming that the people on those planes were not frequent fliers and had never seen in plane phones before.

Ridiculous.

Yes, ridiculous.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Yes, any article worth its salt should provide verifiable data, we agree.

Show me where PM proved with verifiable data that AA11 struck the North Tower and that UA 175 struck the South Tower. Or that it proved that AA77 struck the Pentagon or UA93 was in that field in Pennsylvania.

PM published the official narrative from the Bully Pulpit, nothing more. It avoided verifiable data, just as NIST did. Publishing and repeating government stories does not make those stories become true. Repeating a lie, whether in print or otherwise, does not make the lie become true. Sorry.

Independent analysis by private citizens and groups because the government refused to conduct a proper investigation at the direction of the White House have shown the official story you and PM defend to be untrue and impossible.

Interesting. Instead of writing PM write in Veterans Today (VT). Seems VT lacks "verifiable data" in the majority of articles. Independent analysis that in many cases cannot be duplicated.

Let's look at Mark Basile's dust study. He came up with some conclusion, collected money he needed with the promise of sending a sample to an independent lab for analysis. That was years ago. He never finished the project. Logical conclusion, the results will not fit his narrative. Scientific method requires analysis to be repeatable.

Firefighters across the US that never worked the WTC site have came down with the same type illness as the first responders of 9/11. This includes both structural and wildland firefighters. The main thing in common is working in an environment will small particle dust, not radioactive material.

The list could go on, but you will ignore what is written. Hate to break it to you but not everything is the way you see it. eace

 

[Lursa]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

1. Not your honey.
2. Spoken as a true truther. Insults and run away when you can't back up what you post.

I do this for fun. It interesting how the people who post like you dig themselves into holes.

Like the cliché says, "You can't fix stupid. Ignorance can be corrected through education if the person wants to learn." Pretty easy to know which class you fit it. :lamo

LMAO, I'm no 'truther' re: 9/11. I saw this thread turn up in What's New. And I knew it was a mistake to get involved in this lunacy.

I dug no hole and no one can even dismiss my point re: how people react under stress.

And you should take your own cliche to heart. The rationality train left the 9/11 Path station a long long time ago.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Therefore the evil gub'ment did it? How?

??? How did you come to that conclusion? I think the 9/11 truthers are nutters.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Unfamiliar technology? It was swipe your credit card, dial the number. I flew on planes that had those and even used them. You are also assuming that the people on those planes were not frequent fliers and had never seen in plane phones before.

Ridiculous.

Made no such assumptions and that has nothing to do with how people react under stress. Under that kind of stress, a person will barely be able to find their wallet and get out a credit card without dropping it.

But I'm not interested in a discussion with a bunch of people who couldnt change their minds on this subject if there was a magic way to erase all their memories. They have too much invested in it after all these years...it would disrupt their entire self-identity.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Made no such assumptions and that has nothing to do with how people react under stress.

Yes you did.

I've done alot of studying of panicking people/how people react under stress. And figuring out unfamiliar technology (plane phone) would be a very large challenge. No matter how simple 'you' seem to think they were or their 'simple' design.

What does "figuring out unfamiliar technology (plane phone)" mean? You're assuming that the people on the planes never used or dealt with plane phones before.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Made no such assumptions and that has nothing to do with how people react under stress. Under that kind of stress, a person will barely be able to find their wallet and get out a credit card without dropping it.

But I'm not interested in a discussion with a bunch of people who couldnt change their minds on this subject if there was a magic way to erase all their memories. They have too much invested in it after all these years...it would disrupt their entire self-identity.

Boy you're just full of assumptions about people aren't you? You know everything there is to know about everyone! Impressive!

 

[Lursa]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Boy you're just full of assumptions about people aren't you? You know everything there is to know about everyone! Impressive!

LMAO, as if the 9/11 conspiracists are working off of anything else! That, or they're gullible enough to swallow fake science.

Like I said, there's no reason to participate in this thread...no one here has the ability to evaluate any info that doesnt conform to their set-in-stone beliefs.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

??? How did you come to that conclusion? I think the 9/11 truthers are nutters.

I am very glad to hear it. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

no one here has the ability to evaluate any info that doesnt conform to their set-in-stone beliefs.

Yeah, nobody here ever evaluates anything. You know everyone so well!

:lamo

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Like I said, there's no reason to participate in this thread...

Run along then.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Someone please tell this idiot that it must produce facts and evidence of the steel framed core structure before any discussion will proceed.

The Twins had a concrete tubular core structure as is seen here at the center of WTC2 after all of the exterior steel has fallen. No, that does not resemble a steel framed structure in ANY way. In fact it is an absolutely unique photo of radical material character characteristics of a building method that uses the best of both steel and concrete.

And the fact of this safety report for FEMA by a structural engineer certified in 12 states identifies a concrete core is independently verified evidence.

Download the report, see page 5.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

no one here has the ability to evaluate any info that doesnt conform to their set-in-stone beliefs.

Or info that counters their agenda of deception aiding and abetting the concealment of treason.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

You might be an independent thinker, but that doesn't equal "rational thinker", necessarily.

See, the article provides verifiable data.

Therefore, please debunk it with your data, and provide the source for that data, if you can.


See, the debunking is based on hard data, not whims or conspiracy theories. The data is either true or false.

Factual data does not care from where it comes, it's either true or it is not.

It presents data, so refute it, if you can.

And please, no rationalizations to avoid doing this, because if that is what you are doing, I can only conclude you are being lazy, and/or ignorant.

Oscar, this photographic data shows what can only be a concrete core at the center of WTC2 with all of the exterior steel already on the ground.

Criticial thinking and knowledge of framed structures dictate that a steel framed structure would have visible diagonal braces, gusset plates, columns and beam when backlit and silhouetted in that way.

Starting with one good piece of data that is hard evidence is always a good place to begin.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Oscar, this photographic data shows what can only be a concrete core at the center of WTC2 with all of the exterior steel already on the ground.

Criticial thinking and knowledge of framed structures dictate that a steel framed structure would have visible diagonal braces, gusset plates, columns and beam when backlit and silhouetted in that way.

Starting with one good piece of data that is hard evidence is always a good place to begin.

You should try that sometime.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Or info that counters their agenda of deception aiding and abetting the concealment of treason.

Don't be so silly.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Someone please tell this idiot that it must produce facts and evidence of the steel framed core structure before any discussion will proceed.

The Twins had a concrete tubular core structure as is seen here at the center of WTC2 after all of the exterior steel has fallen. No, that does not resemble a steel framed structure in ANY way. In fact it is an absolutely unique photo of radical material character characteristics of a building method that uses the best of both steel and concrete.

And the fact of this safety report for FEMA by a structural engineer certified in 12 states identifies a concrete core is independently verified evidence.

Download the report, see page 5.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf

There was no concrete core. that is your fantasy. Now what about your full alternative 911 theory? The core is only a part of that.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

You should try that sometime.

Lol, while you have none and what I present is verified again by the Oxford Encyclopedia of innovation and technology.

http://algoxy.com/conc/images/oxfordarchcore.jpg

And of course many pictures where the buildings are coming apart in front of cameras on 9/11

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

There was no concrete core. that is your fantasy. Now what about your full alternative 911 theory? The core is only a part of that.

Since you have no evidence of any core other than the one evidenced here, there is no point in discussion. You are in denial of the verifiable truth.

 

[OscarLevant]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Oscar, this photographic data shows what can only be a concrete core at the center of WTC2 with all of the exterior steel already on the ground.

Criticial thinking and knowledge of framed structures dictate that a steel framed structure would have visible diagonal braces, gusset plates, columns and beam when backlit and silhouetted in that way.

Starting with one good piece of data that is hard evidence is always a good place to begin.

I am not knowledgeable about the physics of structures, so I can't rebut on that.

AS for :

Criticial thinking and knowledge of framed structures dictate

This is a weasel phrase, akin to "people say" "all doctors agree", that sort of thing. It's a pseudo-debate trick as old as Usenet, the BB days, etc.

Would you care to restate it?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Since you have no evidence of any core other than the one evidenced here, there is no point in discussion. You are in denial of the verifiable truth.

What is the full truth? What truthers call the official story fits the facts. If you have another story then please tell it.