[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

[Thoreau72]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

But there was no testing for HE that I know of. Yes, that is why I say that thermite is the only way to get that mass of molten metal that was in the basement.



Hmmm, still no description of how to get a delayed nuke effect. And this video shows delays.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4

It is true that some of the flourescent light bulbs themselves presented a considerable amount of radiation. They were special. There was another source in the building materials I can't remember. The radiation sickness was not the same type as comes from a nuke, much less severe, taking far longer to be diagnosed. More about inhaling radioactive particles.



The account of Phillip Morelli confirms what you describe.



Actually HE can do that in the case of debri going one way and hot gasses going another. I think the proportions of the nuclear event adequate to do that would make something more obvious and this question would not be arising.

Right. The only federal agency that seems to have done its job was USGS, which collected samples already mentioned here, samples which showed suspicious amounts of many elements that comprise the by products of nuclear fission.

I make no claims to being an expert on nuclear things, but I see no reason why somebody couldn't design a way to get delayed detonations. Actually, I'm not quite sure of what you mean by "delayed nuke effect".

The sicknesses displayed by survivors are very much like the sicknesses displayed at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl. From Prager, and to compare, consider this: In the general population, US cancer deaths per year are/were 5.7 per 100,000 per year.

In those who worked at Ground Zero (their term, not mine, is it a Freudian slip?) the rate was either 86.2/100,000 or 862/100,00. Apologies for poor hand-written notes from 5 years back. Either way it is > 10 times the count in the general population.

Your link to Phillip Morelli doesn't work for my computer.

If you are not familiar with the long and sad story of the FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld, you should read about it. His pictures, shown in Prager's piece, show the story and IMO make a very strong case for the nuclear theory. If nothing else, they show positively that the official explanation of office fires and gravity could not possibly be true. That he is basically an enemy of the state is icing on the cake.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Another picture that perfectly matches the blueprints YOU imply are faked. It's of the 78th floor skylobby. Your concrete core is supposedly behind the walls on the left where the express elevators are, in between the perimeter core columns and the first line of the inner core columns.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Another picture that matches the blueprints you claim are faked. This is of the 44th floor skylobby. Your concrete core is supposed to be on the right in this picture behind the wall, between the two rows of core columns, but there are express elevators there as shown.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Another picture that matches the blueprints you say were fake. This is of the 107th floor blueprint and matches the stairwell location sign on the wall.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Floor 82, northeast corner stairwell. The doorway the two men are standing near passes into where your concrete core is supposed to be! The guy on the left is actually LEANING on the gypsum wallboard that goes AROUND one of your claimed elevator support guide rails. That "guide rail" and is supposed to be on the inner side of your concrete core! Where is the core Chris?

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Right. The only federal agency that seems to have done its job was USGS, which collected samples already mentioned here, samples which showed suspicious amounts of many elements that comprise the by products of nuclear fission.

I make no claims to being an expert on nuclear things, but I see no reason why somebody couldn't design a way to get delayed detonations. Actually, I'm not quite sure of what you mean by "delayed nuke effect".

The sicknesses displayed by survivors are very much like the sicknesses displayed at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chernobyl. From Prager, and to compare, consider this: In the general population, US cancer deaths per year are/were 5.7 per 100,000 per year.

In those who worked at Ground Zero (their term, not mine, is it a Freudian slip?) the rate was either 86.2/100,000 or 862/100,00. Apologies for poor hand-written notes from 5 years back. Either way it is > 10 times the count in the general population.

Your link to Phillip Morelli doesn't work for my computer.

If you are not familiar with the long and sad story of the FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld, you should read about it. His pictures, shown in Prager's piece, show the story and IMO make a very strong case for the nuclear theory. If nothing else, they show positively that the official explanation of office fires and gravity could not possibly be true. That he is basically an enemy of the state is icing on the cake.

If you look at the accounts of survivors of Hiroshima etc you will see that within days they were very ill. It took months for WTC rescuers etc to get that sick. There is no way to delay nukes, meaning that there would have had to have been 110 of them, so well placed (impossible) that it pulverized everything on each floor.

This page actually has a detailed and completely feasible explanation for the event.

Demolition, the truth of 9-11, Twin Towers

And this page shows how the perpetrators were trying to empower gamolon with misrepresenting the core structure, by taking all of the construction photos. Of course the plans were part of the documents in the WTC civic center room at the NYC dept. of buildings.

New York Civil Liberties Union Press Release February 6, 200

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years trying to prove a core existed that it cannot show, because the demo is impossible to understand from a technical point with that core.

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known. This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11 and the statements of the Oxford Encyclopedia as well as the report of August Domel, all in this thread.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years

:lamo

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

Yeah, that's what it is Chris. It COULDN'T be that your concrete core theory is completely idiotic.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known.

:lamo

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

Just an FYI Chris. I used Paint to create the pictures.

The recent photos of the interior of WTC1 came from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHzFwBqoDQY

The blueprints from here:
9-11 Research

Graphic technicians... That's pretty funny!

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Demolition, the truth of 9-11, Twin Towers

This is just outstanding! You and your ever changing web of lies Chris! You keep changing your explanations every time someone shoots a hole in your theory and this is the PERFECT example.

I invite people to click the link to your site above and scroll to the picture shown here:


The caption that you wrote below that picture, taken from your site today, which describes the column on the left:

An elevator guide rail with snapped welds on left. The guide rails had single pass welds holding them together. On the bottom can be see a weld that snapped off of the other piece joined, then the column was pushed across asphalt and concrete building up materials on it.

Back on February 4th 2010, the caption below that same picture, describing the column on the left said:

Above, explosive shear on left, oxy/acetlene cut on right.

The tempered steel plates sandwiching the C4, cast into the floors form a sophisticated cutting charge with extreme shaping from optimum containment/direction/shaping into a collapsing plane of high pressure gas or plasma. Note the uniform red color on the sheared column. Loose iron oxide formed from extreme heating and cutting action of high pressure gas plane.

Some have said the lump on the bottom edge of the above columns is a broken weld but it appears more as melted asphalt concrete from being pushed at 5MPH by a wheel loader because there is gravel embedded in the build up of asphalt emulsion. The edge gets hot.

I used the Wayback Machine to get a snapshot of your site from back then. Here is the link.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100204230401/http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11demolitionexplained.html

Snapped weld, explosively sheared weld? Box column, elevator guide rail support column? It depends which lie Chris tells on which day!

 

[gerrycan]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years trying to prove a core existed that it cannot show, because the demo is impossible to understand from a technical point with that core.

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known. This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11 and the statements of the Oxford Encyclopedia as well as the report of August Domel, all in this thread.

Hang on a minute Chris. I didn't quite foresee myself defending Gamolon on here, or anywhere else for that matter, but ffs there was no concrete core in the WTC because it would have added no structural value to the building. It would only have put additional load on the core itself, as there's no means of taking it to bedrock other than the steels. I have pictures of the inside of the elevator shafts somewhere if you've never seen them, but if you have been at this concrete core business for 13 years, and still haven't managed to make the case for it, maybe that's a sign.

As for Gamolon, he spent a solid 2 years + disagreeing with me on the existence of shear studs on a girder in WTC7, which it turned out had shear studs. Despite that becoming a matter of court record , and structural drawings being cited, Gamolon still cannot bring himself to admit that he was wrong. Still, by your standards, he has a decade or so in hand to finally do so.These buildings didn't collapse in the way we were told for sure, but I looked into the concrete core issue many years ago, and they didn't have one.

Answer me this please, it's a simple and straightforward question - Do you think that a concrete core went directly to bedrock ?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11

Hey Chris, what about addressing the glaring errors you've created for yourself with these two pictures you created stating that the cores were DIFFERENT between WTC1 and WTC2? From your site.

This is what you had on your site when you first started your nonsense. All elevators, stairways, hallways, EVERYTHING. contained within that concrete core.


Then, years later, when you ran into the dilemma of people showing you photos of the express elevators being accessed from OUTSIDE the core on the lobby level, you had to come up with your story of the cores for each tower being different to allow for your screw up. Then whenever people brought this up, your argument would be that photos showing access to the express elevators from outside the core on the lobby level were always from photos of WTC2.


So the walls of your concrete core for WTC2 inward two column rows instead of being sandwiched between them for WTC1? And you believed that they changed the core from WTC1's design to WTC2's AFTER they started construction on WTC1? Isn't that right Chris?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Do you think that a concrete core went directly to bedrock ?

Start with this annotated photo from Chris then try explaining to him the myriad of mistakes he's made within it.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years trying to prove a core existed that it cannot show, because the demo is impossible to understand from a technical point with that core.

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known. This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11 and the statements of the Oxford Encyclopedia as well as the report of August Domel, all in this thread.

Why are you making up this stuff?

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years trying to prove a core existed that it cannot show, because the demo is impossible to understand from a technical point with that core.

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known. This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11 and the statements of the Oxford Encyclopedia as well as the report of August Domel, all in this thread.

Hilarious!!! :lamo:lamo A whole team just to fool you! And everybody is in on the conspiracy. Why don't you present your full alternative 911 theory? Be the first truther to do that.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

People reading this thread need to realize that gamolon has been stalking me for at least 13 years trying to prove a core existed that it cannot show, because the demo is impossible to understand from a technical point with that core.

Also realize that there must be a team of graphic technicians supporting gomolon by creating the bogus graphics gomo depends upon.

The admins here really ought to ban gomo IF they are not a part of the team trying to prevent the truth from being known. This can reasonably be done on the basis of the pictures showing the concrete core on 9/11 and the statements of the Oxford Encyclopedia as well as the report of August Domel, all in this thread.

Provide the links that proves the concrete core in which you speak of. I have done searches and have not found your concrete core.

One should be skeptical of a your site which you seem to be promoting on this thread.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Why are you making up this stuff?

That is what a covert agent would say. But they would also have no evidence and no purpose except disinformation.

The truth explains things.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Provide the links that proves the concrete core in which you speak of. I have done searches and have not found your concrete core.

One should be skeptical of a your site which you seem to be promoting on this thread.

Hah, one should be skeptical of people telling them to be skeptical with no reason or evidence.

The people have evidence, and those presenting that there was a steel framed core have no evidence. That site was built from real 9/11 images starting in 2003 it is a tool for sharing facts.

You have no credibility because you have done nothing and advocate as much.

I am a virtual witness to the construction of WTC 1, and aware of differences between 1 & 2. There is independently verifying evidence within a filing in federal court attempting to make a record of evidence in the federal clerks criminal clerks records. All images and facts needed to evidence the concrete tubular core structure.

9-11-misprision of treason, Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

But judges and the circuit court colluded to conceal the concealment of treason when confronted with USC18,Pt1,ch115§2382 and specific entities.

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, ?2382

9-11-misprision of treason, Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Originally Posted by Thoreau72:
Right. The only federal agency that seems to have done its job was USGS, which collected samples already mentioned here, samples which showed suspicious amounts of many elements that comprise the by products of nuclear fission.

But then the USGS would not release the analog recordings of seismometers to scientists seeking to analyze the event.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Hah, one should be skeptical of people telling them to be skeptical with no reason or evidence.

The people have evidence, and those presenting that there was a steel framed core have no evidence. That site was built from real 9/11 images starting in 2003 it is a tool for sharing facts.

You have no credibility because you have done nothing and advocate as much.

I am a virtual witness to the construction of WTC 1, and aware of differences between 1 & 2. There is independently verifying evidence within a filing in federal court attempting to make a record of evidence in the federal clerks criminal clerks records. All images and facts needed to evidence the concrete tubular core structure.

9-11-misprision of treason, Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

But judges and the circuit court colluded to conceal the concealment of treason when confronted with USC18,Pt1,ch115§2382 and specific entities.

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, ?2382

9-11-misprision of treason, Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

ah. If what you say is true, you would have much better documentation. interesting how the architect and engineers who designed and oversaw the building disagree with you.

Noted : You did not really respond to my request of Provide the links that proves the concrete core in which you speak of..


I have been to your website before. I have spent enough time on it in the last week or so to know it is an opinion piece. Much like Jeff Prager's nuke explanation is an opinion piece. Neither stand up to close scrutiny.

Since 9/11 and your revelation how many have you convinced you are correct? When can we expect a grand announcement from the scientists, engineers, architects, and others that you are correct. Has anyone in the media published your theory? How about Veterans Today? They got behind Prager's work for a time.

Clue 1 for you. It is your burden of proof to show that the core was concreate. It is not my burden to prove it was not.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

That is what a covert agent would say. But they would also have no evidence and no purpose except disinformation.

The truth explains things.

You blew my cover! Code red!

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

But then the USGS would not release the analog recordings of seismometers to scientists seeking to analyze the event.

When are you going you give us your full alternative 911 theory? Are you a no-planer?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

ah. If what you say is true, you would have much better documentation. .

Right.

How many years he's been at this and all he has is the Oxford paragraph, August Domel's quote, and some blurry, dust/derbis filled photos the HE interprets to show concrete versus the blueprints (which match every photo), documentation, eyewitness descriptions, and construction photos.

He likes to request photos showing the steel core, but only on 9/11 of course. Why? Because that timeframe becomes a 20 to 30 second period with blurry, dust/debris filled photos that he can twist into his interpretation of a "concrete core". Hwe can;t show one photo of a concrete core during construction. He even lied on his site and used a photo of the current building construction to claim it was a photo of the old core. Pathetic.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

You blew my cover! Code red!

I forget. Are you in the "shill" division or "graphic design" division?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I am a virtual witness to the construction of WTC 1, and aware of differences between 1 & 2.

Really Chris?

Is this why your "descriptions" and "explanations" of the concrete core change every time someone brings up a major discrepancy?

Your website and it's archived history is living proof that you lie and then try to alter said lie when challenged.