[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The proof sez otherwise. Like you are posting unsupported nonsense. Basically supporting secret methods of mass murder and treason. Re-evaluate your position.

Your concrete core fantasy has been proven to be a physical impossibility.

Have you explained to everyone here what exactly you think existed? Let me help you.

You think WTC1 had a concrete core with the walls on the short axis being 17' thick at the base and the long axis walls being 12' thick at the base. According to you, these concrete walls of the core tapered to 2' thick at the top and were about 1300' high. Then you go on to claim, after being shown how crazy this is and to make up for your inconsistencies, that WTC2 had a completely DIFFERENT core. You claim that people had to pass through either of the two 12' thick concrete walls of this supposed concrete core to access the any of the 12 or 11 (depending on which side of the lobby level you were on) express elevators.

The dimensions you give make fitting all the elevators and stairwells INSIDE this fantasy core an impossibility.

I'll be happy to show just how ridiculous your claim actually is.

For starters, below is a drawing that you did of the base of your concrete core for WTC1 at the lobby level.

 

[SanderO]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Even bad guys make mistakes. Yes, I too found it odd that the first one struck by the supposedly fatal aircraft strike was the last one to fall. Was it simply an honest mistake pushing the wrong button, or was there some tactical or strategic advantage? I certainly don't know, but the aircraft were not the airliners claimed in the story.

It's likely that the collapse was core led and 1WTC's core damage was more critical than 2WTC's which includes the collapse of the 360 ton antenna down through the core.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Matt Tartaglia talked about nuclear decontamination protocols,

That's a bald faced lie and you have been told about this before.

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This is not correct. Matt Tartaglia never specified "nuclear" or "radiation" as the type of decontamination used at ground zero. Below is a link and quote from where this information possibly came from. The article was written by someone named The Anonymous Physicist.
World Trade Center Demolition: More Evidence & Testimony Indicating Nuclear Blasts, Nuclear Radiation, & China Syndrome at the WTC


Another quote from Matt comes from an interview with Alex Jones back in 2005. Link and quote below. Again, no mention of "nuclear" or "radiation" decontamination from Matt.
https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/300305newrevelations.htm


Then there is this paper that discusses normak decontamination that firefighters go through after fighting fires. It is a procedure that they use to remove cancer causing substances that are encountered in fires. Link below.
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/DG16-04.pdf

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The strangely damaged vehicles are results of radiation.

You mean the same type of damage that can be found in photographs of normal car fires?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

TThe presence of these elements in mathematically related quantities can be explained only by fission.

What a complete joke!

You are aware, for example, that the amount of cesium found in the dust samples WAS LESS than what was tested for in eastern US soil samples? Do you know what isotopes are? Were isotopes of the found elements tested for or are you just guessing?

I guess the above three posts are examples of why you put people on ignore. It's so you can use the "you're on my ignore list" as an excuse to not have to address your lies/garbage.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The proof sez otherwise. Like you are posting unsupported nonsense. Basically supporting secret methods of mass murder and treason. Re-evaluate your position.

Here is what Chris thinks existed at the lobby level. The red parts represent his concrete core. Notice how his fantasy core displaces all the express and local elevators just for starters.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

TUSGS seems to be the only federal agency NOT involved in cover-up, and it found Strontium,

Interesting huh Thoreau72? STRONTIUM Chomate in the primer paint used on the steel joists. I thought Strontium was only found from nuclear blasts?!

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Interesting huh Thoreau72? STRONTIUM Chomate in the primer paint used on the steel joists. I thought Strontium was only found from nuclear blasts?!
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That Strontium paint was cool and you saved money by not needing electricity to light up the room.

 

[hado117]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I decided to start a thread to ask for evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. A little background on me, I used to believe 9/11 was an inside job. what convinced me was things like the buildings supposedly falling at free fall speeds, the flash just as the plane hit the towers, Building 7's collapse, etc. I believed because frankly I didn't challenged the evidence presented to me. it wasn't until I decided to challenge and try to debunk my beliefs that i realized how wrong i was. At least so I believe. I'm more than willing to return to believing that 9/11 was an inside job if presented with irrefutable evidence. I'll start off with the claim that the towers feel at free fall speeds. If you watch a video filming the event (I'll come back with an example later), the debris from the tower is actually falling faster than the tower itself. Thus supposedly disproving the free fall claim. Any counter to this?

the fbi doesnt rat on the eff bee eye

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

There was radiation. Many first responders there are afflicted with diseases like the diseases found in Hiroshima and Chernobyl. Matt Tartaglia talked about nuclear decontamination protocols, and months later his teeth began falling out. Eventually he died.

The strangely damaged vehicles are results of radiation.

USGS seems to be the only federal agency NOT involved in cover-up, and it found Strontium, Barium, Thorium, Cerium and other elements that are characteristically the fission products of Uranium. The presence of these elements in mathematically related quantities can be explained only by fission.

A 2 man USGS crew collected samples at 35 locations within a 1KM radius on September 17 and 18, after it had rained on September 14. Among other things, they found Thorium samples on girders at 6 times the lowest levels found in their samples.

Yea, the place was built with stuff that was lightly radioactive. I think the light bulbs alone were considerable.

How is a nuke delayed to get this effect.

[video]http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4[/video]

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Here is what Chris thinks existed at the lobby level. The red parts represent his concrete core. Notice how his fantasy core displaces all the express and local elevators just for starters.
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The concrete core made room for elevator doors and hallways. With a steel framed core, diagonal braces and gusset plates would be blocking them.

No one has ever shown an image of a steel framed core on 9/11. Never any diagonal braces, between columns and beams.

A remnant of the WTC1 north side core base wall. There is a small hallway penetrating it. It stopped debri from crushing a stairwell where a number of people survived.

The 1992 Oxford Encyclopedia of Technology and Innovation describes a concrete core.

 

[Maccabee]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

the fbi doesnt rat on the eff bee eye

Okay?

 

[gerrycan]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

First of all.........

No one has ever shown an image of a steel framed core on 9/11. Never any diagonal braces, between columns and beams

Presumably you will now think that someone stole the steel columns from the core of the building along with the bracing between the time these pics were taken and 911 ??

 

[gerrycan]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Secondly.............

The concrete core made room for elevator doors and hallways. With a steel framed core, diagonal braces and gusset plates would be blocking them

THAT is beyond ridiculous. To suppose that someone could make a structure from concrete with gaps for doors and hallways, and NOT be able to perform the same function with steel is so uttery STUPID and devoid of any technical awareness whatsoever, that were I to go into even the scant detail of why this was so, that simple explanation would be lost on anyone so lacking.

Even if there were concrete around the elevator shafts (which there wasn't) There are less elevators at the very top of each of the 3 building sections than there are at the bottom. That means that you would be left with 3 SEPERATE cantilievered concrete structures that would perform no function beyond fireproofing the elevator shafts, at the cost of adding a whole load of weight that would have to be redistributed through the steel core that you suppose it reinforced.

The articles and engineers that you insist on referring to did not have the strutural drawings for the buildings when they made those statements. They maybe didn't even have the architectural drawings.

What this leaves you saying is - "The WTC towers had concrete cores, because you would like them to have had concrete cores. Despite all the photographic / video / and technical evidence saying that there was a steel core."

Yeah, okay. If you say so....

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Yea, the place was built with stuff that was lightly radioactive. I think the light bulbs alone were considerable.

How is a nuke delayed to get this effect.

[video]http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4[/video]

Very funny.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Yea, the place was built with stuff that was lightly radioactive. I think the light bulbs alone were considerable.

How is a nuke delayed to get this effect.

[video]http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4[/video]

We must remember that R&D in nuclear weapons has been going on, mostly in secret, at a steady pace since before 1944. It is a safe assumption that such weapons and devices could be engineered for any number of special purposes. Just as we have gone from primitive jet engines to specialized high bypass fan engines, it is likely that equivalent strides have been made.

On the matter of Tritium in interior lighting, that is a poor excuse for rejecting all the other facts that support nuclear events. Indeed, in April 2002 in Orlando at their convention, the American Chemical Society heard a presentation by Thomas Sem Kowa and others entitled "Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC".

If you are interested, you should consider reading Jeff Prager's work on the subject. Like so many other forbidden subjects, it's hard to find it anymore on the internet, just as the story of Matt Tartaglia. 5 years ago it was easy to find his story and statements, but because it is such a forbidden subject, it's tough to find it anymore. There is a reason for that. In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The concrete core made room for elevator doors and hallways.

No it didn't as I have proven.

Blow is the lobby level blueprint with your core drawn in red. How did they fit 12 passenger/express elevators along one long wall, 11 passenger elevators and 1 freight along the opposite long wall, 24 local passenger elevators and 2 freight elevators in the center, access lobbies for all the local elevators, the 16' wide hallway that ran the length of the core from one short end to the other for elevator access, a stairwell, AC ductwork, electrical raceways, and piping raceways.

You have refused to show your core works physically because you CAN'T. There is no room within your core for everything that was actually present. There are tons of documents, photos, and eyewitness accounts that talk about steel column ONLY versus your two sources. Yet you want to believe them instead to support your garbage fantasy.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

First of all.........



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Presumably you will now think that someone stole the steel columns from the core of the building along with the bracing between the time these pics were taken and 911 ??

Unacceptable. The images are not from 9/11 and they are misinterpreted. Here are two competent forms of proof.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

No it didn't as I have proven.

Blow is the lobby level blueprint with your core drawn in red. How did they fit 12 passenger/express elevators along one long wall, 11 passenger elevators and 1 freight along the opposite long wall, 24 local passenger elevators and 2 freight elevators in the center, access lobbies for all the local elevators, the 16' wide hallway that ran the length of the core from one short end to the other for elevator access, a stairwell, AC ductwork, electrical raceways, and piping raceways.

You have refused to show your core works physically because you CAN'T. There is no room within your core for everything that was actually present. There are tons of documents, photos, and eyewitness accounts that talk about steel column ONLY versus your two sources. Yet you want to believe them instead to support your garbage fantasy.
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No answers to bogus, BS questions because you cannot and never have, no one has, shown the supposed steel framework in the core area in photos from 9/11.

There are more than two pieces of evidence showing the concrete core.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images2/panel_1.jpg

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

We must remember that R&D in nuclear weapons has been going on, mostly in secret, at a steady pace since before 1944. It is a safe assumption that such weapons and devices could be engineered for any number of special purposes. Just as we have gone from primitive jet engines to specialized high bypass fan engines, it is likely that equivalent strides have been made.

On the matter of Tritium in interior lighting, that is a poor excuse for rejecting all the other facts that support nuclear events. Indeed, in April 2002 in Orlando at their convention, the American Chemical Society heard a presentation by Thomas Sem Kowa and others entitled "Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC".

If you are interested, you should consider reading Jeff Prager's work on the subject. Like so many other forbidden subjects, it's hard to find it anymore on the internet, just as the story of Matt Tartaglia. 5 years ago it was easy to find his story and statements, but because it is such a forbidden subject, it's tough to find it anymore. There is a reason for that. In a time of universal deception, speaking the truth is a radical act.

Still no explanation of how nukes are delayed. Or, were there 110 nukes? How was the distribution effected? How were the nukes detonations contained?

I have answers that are completely feasible to all of that using ordinary HE, right here.

Demolition, the truth of 9-11, Twin Towers

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Unacceptable. The images are not from 9/11 and they are misinterpreted. Here are two competent forms of proof.

That is the steel core. It's obscured by dust and debris.

One source? Versus how many hundreds of sources that say it was a steel column core and NOT concrete? What are you smoking?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

No answers to bogus, BS questions because you cannot and never have, no one has, shown the supposed steel framework in the core area in photos from 9/11.

You've done that for us Chris! All the photos you post on 9/11 HAVE steel core columns visible! The issue is you think there is a concrete core in addition to them. Are you saying there weren't 47 core columns in addition to your fantasy concrete core? Are you saying it was JUST a concrete core?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Unacceptable.

What's unacceptable is you saying the blueprints were fake. How come I can match photos with the blueprints?

Here is a mezzanine photo that you scaled and added yellow dimensions to.


Here is the blueprint for that level. The red arrow indicates view direction for the photo above. I see the escalator just like the photo shows.


Here is a photo of the lobby below the mezzanine with the lower portion of the escalator shown in the mezzanine photo above.


Here is the blueprint for the lobby. I see the escalator represented. The hallway opening. I also see the revolving doors in the upper left of the photo represented in the blueprints, pointed out by the blue arrows. I also marked where the turnstiles are in green.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Secondly.............

THAT is beyond ridiculous. To suppose that someone could make a structure from concrete with gaps for doors and hallways, and NOT be able to perform the same function with steel is so uttery STUPID and devoid of any technical awareness whatsoever, that were I to go into even the scant detail of why this was so, that simple explanation would be lost on anyone so lacking.

Even if there were concrete around the elevator shafts (which there wasn't) There are less elevators at the very top of each of the 3 building sections than there are at the bottom. That means that you would be left with 3 SEPERATE cantilievered concrete structures that would perform no function beyond fireproofing the elevator shafts, at the cost of adding a whole load of weight that would have to be redistributed through the steel core that you suppose it reinforced.

The articles and engineers that you insist on referring to did not have the strutural drawings for the buildings when they made those statements. They maybe didn't even have the architectural drawings.

What this leaves you saying is - "The WTC towers had concrete cores, because you would like them to have had concrete cores. Despite all the photographic / video / and technical evidence saying that there was a steel core."

Yeah, okay. If you say so....

LOL, but you cannot produce one image from 9/11 showing the supposed steel framed core.

You have not looked at the dates closely. Domel had access to the plans in the WTC civic center room at the NYC dept. of buildings.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf

Guiliani took them all 12/24/01

New York Civil Liberties Union Press Release February 6, 200

Which is why I don't have pictures of the concrete during construction. Lol, but you cannot explain why you don't have IMAGES FROM 9/11 of the steel framed core you try to present as existing.

Here is a few frames of video of a massive piece of the WTC 1 core toppling out of the wall into the core on 9/11.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The images are not from 9/11 and they are misinterpreted. Here are two competent forms of proof.

Where are the core columns that you say surrounded your supposed concrete core in that photo?