[W:57: 1585]Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Here is a few frames of video of a massive piece of the WTC 1 core toppling out of the wall into the core on 9/11.

I see core columns in those frames. You don't see them along with your fantasy concrete core?

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

What's unacceptable is you saying the blueprints were fake.

Stop wasting server space with fakery!

Post a pic of the supposed steel framed core on 9/11. Here is some core wall and an explanation of the steel sticking up on 9/11.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Stop wasting server space with fakery!

Post a pic of the supposed steel framed core on 9/11. Here is some core wall and an explanation of the steel sticking up on 9/11.

I see columns in those photos with your supposed core! Are you saying there are no columns in those photos above??

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

That is the steel core. It's obscured by dust and debris.

Nonsense from one that cannot produce an image showing the steel framed core. It is verified by other images.

One source? Versus how many hundreds of sources that say it was a steel column core and NOT concrete? What are you smoking?

A misrepresentation. There are more than 2 competent sources. Here is a particularly good one. See page 5.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/domel-www.ncsea.down.pdf

The detonations and accelerating concrete debris shredded everything which explains this firefighters dilemma.

[video]http://algoxy.com/psych/images4/joe.casaliggi.mp4[/video]

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I see columns in those photos with your supposed core! Are you saying there are no columns in those photos above??

LOL!

But no diagonal braces and gusset plates which HAVE to be there for a steel framed structure

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

LOL!

But no diagonal braces and gusset plates which HAVE to be there for a steel framed structure

But you said there were no pictures showing core columns from 9/11?! That's what you keep saying! Are you know saying that there ARE photos showing core columns?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

LOL!

But no diagonal braces and gusset plates which HAVE to be there for a steel framed structure

I see bracing between the columns. Are you blind? Some bracing indicated by yellow lines (I added) below.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

It is verified by other images.

How about this verification that the blueprints, once again, are not faked and are correct!

Photo of core column and stairwell components with annotations in red and blue.


Crop of blueprint with annotations in red and blue matching the photo above.


Yeah, the blueprints are fake Chris!

:lamo

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Why are truthers never interested in the truth?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Stop wasting server space with fakery!

The cross section I have drawn below is of the lobby and mezzanine floors and uses your dimensions from drawings you've provided in the past.


1. How come every single photo of the perimeter core columns shows them being on the same centerline, but you dimensions shows them as offset?
2. How come your photo annotations show your supposed core wall thickness as being 12' thick, but the dimensions and what you explain make the wall thickness MUCh thinner?

You keep contradicting yourself and your explanations don't line up at all under scrutiny. I guess this is what happens when you continue to tell so many lies to cover your behind.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Still no explanation of how nukes are delayed. Or, were there 110 nukes? How was the distribution effected? How were the nukes detonations contained?

I have answers that are completely feasible to all of that using ordinary HE, right here.

Demolition, the truth of 9-11, Twin Towers

HE could be possible, but it would take a considerable amount to do all that, and it would leave fingerprints different from the nuclear fingerprints. Thermite is not HE, it is an incendiary.

HE does not explain the many cases of radiation sicknesses, and it does not explain 90 days worth of molten iron. It does not explain the data gathered by DELTA Group.

The explosion in the basement just before the airplane impact would not have left the flesh hanging from one of the employees, but nuclear would.

 

[ddbirdy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I am just NOW joining this conversation and not gonna read all the previous posts. I watched the live news coverage that day and watched a live video of a firefighter on a payphone when suddenly explosions on the ground happened (this is before either tower fell but after they were hit). What were those explosions other than bombs in the basement..? With any bombs or explosives we are no longer talking about the official story. Also saw a swift clean up crew some dressed as regular citizens carting away pices of something under a blue tarp at the pentagaon and doing a shoulder-t-shoulder sweep of the area picking up any fragments. All on Live News. Probably still on Youtube.

 

[OscarLevant]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

The more informed one becomes about the details of the official conspiracy theory, the more it falls apart.

The government has been recruiting muslims for decades. Revisit part of Charlie Wilson's War--much of it is true. We have muslims working for us all over the countries there we have invaded.

More importantly to this thread, the aircraft that struck the towers were NOT the airplanes they were supposed to be, AA11 and UA175. They were drones flown by remote control with no humans onboard.

Knowledge can be most useful in analytical thinking. In reality, the US government was hijacked by Israeli interests decades ago.

Really? Okay, well, this seems to debunk that assertion. I invite you to debunk the debunker.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

I am just NOW joining this conversation and not gonna read all the previous posts. I watched the live news coverage that day and watched a live video of a firefighter on a payphone when suddenly explosions on the ground happened (this is before either tower fell but after they were hit). What were those explosions other than bombs in the basement..? With any bombs or explosives we are no longer talking about the official story. Also saw a swift clean up crew some dressed as regular citizens carting away pices of something under a blue tarp at the pentagaon and doing a shoulder-t-shoulder sweep of the area picking up any fragments. All on Live News. Probably still on Youtube.

The explosions were not bombs. Familiarize yourself with the facts.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Really? Okay, well, this seems to debunk that assertion. I invite you to debunk the debunker.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/

He never did tell us what happened to all the passengers who disappeared.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

HE could be possible, but it would take a considerable amount to do all that, and it would leave fingerprints different from the nuclear fingerprints. Thermite is not HE, it is an incendiary.

But there was no testing for HE that I know of. Yes, that is why I say that thermite is the only way to get that mass of molten metal that was in the basement.

HE does not explain the many cases of radiation sicknesses, and it does not explain 90 days worth of molten iron. It does not explain the data gathered by DELTA Group.

Hmmm, still no description of how to get a delayed nuke effect. And this video shows delays.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images3/listen_to_the_demo_waves.mp4

It is true that some of the flourescent light bulbs themselves presented a considerable amount of radiation. They were special. There was another source in the building materials I can't remember. The radiation sickness was not the same type as comes from a nuke, much less severe, taking far longer to be diagnosed. More about inhaling radioactive particles.

The explosion in the basement just before the airplane impact would not have left the flesh hanging from one of the employees, but nuclear would.

The account of Phillip Morelli confirms what you describe.



Actually HE can do that in the case of debri going one way and hot gasses going another. I think the proportions of the nuclear event adequate to do that would make something more obvious and this question would not be arising.

 

[ChrisABrown]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

But you said there were no pictures showing core columns from 9/11?! That's what you keep saying! Are you know saying that there ARE photos showing core columns?

"core columns" are supported by large diagonal braces and have gusset plates at the connections with beams.

Those are elevator guide rail supports, sure, they appear as columns, but they are short all the other structural elements needed. They were connected occasionally with butt plates which are way too weak for a core column.

Find a pic from 9/11 with the structure you describe when you say "steel framed core". I can find what can only be concrete.

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

 

[gerrycan]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

"core columns" are supported by large diagonal braces and have gusset plates at the connections with beams.

Says who ?

The core columns of the towers were supported diagonally to around floor 9, and then only diagonally around the mechanical equipment levels. Note that the diagonal bracing exists where there is LESS CONCRETE IN THE CORE AREA. This is because the HORIZONTAL concrete structure in the core area provided additional stiffness to the core structure at the other levels.

Stop making dumb pronouncements that are based on a head full of hot air and take a look at the structural drawing books for the buildings.

For the beam connections between the core columns see drawing book 6.

ADD here's an example of the shear plate between core columns 504 and 505 at the 44th floor.... You're contending that a concrete structure existed on top of this. Why would that be required and what structural purpose would it serve ?


https://imgur.com/a/kiz31RS

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

"core columns" are supported by large diagonal braces and have gusset plates at the connections with beams.

If this is gospel like you say, then you should be able to show photos of all the diagonal bracing used all the way up the for the perimeter core columns. Please do so or admit you're making this up.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Find a pic from 9/11 with the structure you describe when you say "steel framed core".

Why just 9/11 Chris? We have all kinds of other documentation, photos, and blueprints that shows you are completely wrong. besides, I provided one below. All the yellow lines I added show bracing between the perimeter core box columns and the inner core box columns.

I can find what can only be concrete.

It's not concrete Chris as has been proven time and time again.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Typical truther response when you can't prove your case and are being bombarded with counter evidence.

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Find a pic from 9/11 with the structure you describe when you say "steel framed core". I can find what can only be concrete

Hmmmm...

I don't see any "butt plates" connecting the inner core columns in the photo above like you said there should be. I don't see any diagonal bracing for the core columns like you said there should be. I don't see any 12' concrete core wall at ALL between those two column rows like you said "protected" that stairwell.

I see gypsum planking though, just like is claimed to be there.

How come we see nothing you claim is supposed to be there? Are you perhaps lying?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Hey Chris!

How did the gypsum planking shown in between the core columns (in the red rectangle and pointed out by the red arrows) survive from the blasts that supposedly completely destroyed your 12' concrete wall that was supposed to also be between those columns?

 

[gamolon]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Until that shows, I'm wasting no more time with you.

Chris, I found a MAJOR problem with what you believe existed as shown in the drawing below. You ignored it the first time.


1. How come every single photo of the perimeter core columns shows them being on the same centerline, but you dimensions shows them as offset?
2. How come your photo annotations show your supposed core wall thickness as being 12' thick, but the dimensions and what you explain make the wall thickness MUCH thinner?

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.[W:57]

Really? Okay, well, this seems to debunk that assertion. I invite you to debunk the debunker.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5654/debunking-911-myths-planes/

The PM article was written by a nephew or other relation to either Michael Mukasey or Mr. Chertoff, both Israeli citizens with connections to Mossad and other radical Israelis.

PM is a good magazine if you want to understand how engines work or other mechanical issues, but I do not trust the magazine to tell me what happened on that day from the Israeli perspective. Israeli interests are what planned and executed the events of the day.

The cover-up is worse than the crime in this case, and the articles at PM are merely propaganda meant to reinforce the official story.

I am an independent thinker, and while I was certainly late to the game, better late than never. In 13 years or so of study, what I have read and seen clearly shows the official story to be impossible. PM doesn't change that, it reinforces it.