[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

[HumblePi]

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So now Donald Trump is a Russian operative??? OMG, you people are something else and especially Canadians posting in this forum. You Canadians have your own problems and Trump is the least part of those problems. US Results are blowing your country away

"we people" didn't make this up. The FBI counterintelligence was investigating Trump for collusion with Russia before the Mueller investigation commenced. People don't understand that it's not a simple matter, and the FBI just doesn't arbitrarily open such an investigation. What we all witnessed publicly, things that Trump said and did and his apparent disregard for U.S. well-being--while instead putting the interest of Russia's over ours -- is not the only things the FBI considered in initiating this investigation.

Do you know what the FBI has to do in order to begin any counterintelligence investigation? The intelligence and counterintelligence work in the FBI is by far the most regulated part of the FBI. There are agents who don't even want to work counterintelligence because they have to literally keep the rule book and guidelines in their front pockets. Any notion that an agent can just randomly open a case on the president of the United States is just misguided. The level of the Dept of Justice review is almost immeasurable. There would have to be multiple points of failure and multiple points of indications of conspiracy just to open such an investigation.

Say what you want about Canadians, but they're going to be quick to point out the fact that our government forced 800,000 out of work to appease the demands of a petulant child president. They have a prime minister that knows how to lead people not how to force people to bend to his will like a dictator does. They are working, they all have free health care, there's no protests happening today as far as I know unlike the U.S. that has national protests going on from unpaid government workers. And first and foremost, they do not have a leader who has been compromised by a foreign adversarial government.

 

[Fletch]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Manafort became a part of the Putin penumbra that emanated from Trump the candidate. Flynn was in it as were many others already called to justice. And there remains much more justice to be done.

Yet neither Flynn nor Manafort have been charged with any crime relating to the 2016 election or Russian interference. Why is that?

 

[Acadia]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

From the OP's NYT article:



However, in April 2018...



And, a bit later in May 2018...



So...we have direct evidence that Rosenstein has lied to the President at least once and that both Rosenstein and Wray lied to Congress. (Or...the NYT is making **** up.)

Very interesting. So why aren't these two getting investigated?

 

[Athanasius68]

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Comey and Brennan were gone.You forget that at the time the FBI began to conduct the counterintelligence investigation it was after Comey was fired. He explained to Lester Holt why he fired him. After that 45 met with the Russians, explained that Comey was gone. That he was alone with them was the trigger. That was in May 2017.

Coney was conducting a counterintelligence operation. Mueller took it over.

 

[Fletch]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

"we people" didn't make this up. The FBI counterintelligence was investigating Trump for collusion with Russia before the Mueller investigation commenced. People don't understand that it's not a simple matter, and the FBI just doesn't arbitrarily open such an investigation. What we all witnessed publicly, things that Trump said and did and his apparent disregard for U.S. well-being--while instead putting the interest of Russia's over ours -- is not the only things the FBI considered in initiating this investigation.

Do you know what the FBI has to do in order to begin any counterintelligence investigation? The intelligence and counterintelligence work in the FBI is by far the most regulated part of the FBI. There are agents who don't even want to work counterintelligence because they have to literally keep the rule book and guidelines in their front pockets. Any notion that an agent can just randomly open a case on the president of the United States is just misguided. The level of the Dept of Justice review is almost immeasurable. There would have to be multiple points of failure and multiple points of indications of conspiracy just to open such an investigation.

Say what you want about Canadians, but they're going to be quick to point out the fact that our government forced 800,000 out of work to appease the demands of a petulant child president. They have a prime minister that knows how to lead people not how to force people to bend to his will like a dictator does. They are working, they all have free health care, there's no protests happening today as far as I know unlike the U.S. that has national protests going on from unpaid government workers. And first and foremost, they do not have a leader who has been compromised by a foreign adversarial government.

Who opened the investigation? Who authorized it?

 

[Conservative]

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"we people" didn't make this up. The FBI counterintelligence was investigating Trump for collusion with Russia before the Mueller investigation commenced. People don't understand that it's not a simple matter, and the FBI just doesn't arbitrarily open such an investigation. What we all witnessed publicly, things that Trump said and did and his apparent disregard for U.S. well-being--while instead putting the interest of Russia's over ours -- is not the only things the FBI considered in initiating this investigation.

Do you know what the FBI has to do in order to begin any counterintelligence investigation? The intelligence and counterintelligence work in the FBI is by far the most regulated part of the FBI. There are agents who don't even want to work counterintelligence because they have to literally keep the rule book and guidelines in their front pockets. Any notion that an agent can just randomly open a case on the president of the United States is just misguided. The level of the Dept of Justice review is almost immeasurable. There would have to be multiple points of failure and multiple points of indications of conspiracy just to open such an investigation.

Say what you want about Canadians, but they're going to be quick to point out the fact that our government forced 800,000 out of work to appease the demands of a petulant child president. They have a prime minister that knows how to lead people not how to force people to bend to his will like a dictator does. They are working, they all have free health care, there's no protests happening today as far as I know unlike the U.S. that has national protests going on from unpaid government workers. And first and foremost, they do not have a leader who has been compromised by a foreign adversarial government.

What exactly does that have to do with the thread topic and the claim by some that Trump is a Russian operative? So OUR govt. forced 800,000 people out of work??? Really? Never took civics did you? The U.S. House passed the revised bill, Senate requires 60 votes for cloture and Republicans don't have those votes so it wasn't Trump that caused this problem it was the Democrats but you will never admit you are wrong on any subject, just a bad case of TDS. Vote on the bill, change the bill, vote on the changed bill without the 5 billion, let Trump veto the bill and override the veto, no govt. shutdown or better yet pass a DAMN Budget and this wouldn't be happening. You can blame Trump for every incident in this country but you are clueless when it comes to logic, common sense, and basic civics

 

[Athanasius68]

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Manafort became a part of the Putin penumbra that emanated from Trump the candidate. Flynn was in it as were many others already called to justice. And there remains much more justice to be done.

"More" Justice?? Sir, nobody is being prosecuted, nobody is pleasing guilty, for this fantasy penumbra of yours.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

From the OP's NYT article:



However, in April 2018...



And, a bit later in May 2018...



So...we have direct evidence that Rosenstein has lied to the President at least once and that both Rosenstein and Wray lied to Congress. (Or...the NYT is making **** up.)

Well, well, well. The guy who always rails against unnamed sources when the information at hand is contrary to Trump is perfectly fine with unnamed sources when the opposite is true. What a shocking surprise. The legal semantics here really don't matter that much as when the subject of an investigation turns into being a target of an investigation can happen at any point in the course of an investigation.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

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It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Gosh, I bet Trump wishes he could go back to the days of grabbing ******s and insulting football players. I sense that he will serve out his term. Then I hope he dies in prison.

 

[marke]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Believe what you want. I'm done.

Quitting while you are behind?

 

[Tangmo]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Yet neither Flynn nor Manafort have been charged with any crime relating to the 2016 election or Russian interference. Why is that?

Your strawman questions throughout prove conclusively you haven't any arguments to present. You haven't anything coherent to offer much less something that is intelligible. The hit and run posts litter the thread in the same way Trump's tweets create chaos across the land. Trump is your model. That's a fail as we see on page after page of the thread. Thread after thread. Month after month. Your posts make no point other than this.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

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Would a U.S. president who had any sort of awareness of how he had fallen under Moscow's influence openly profess to have more faith in Putin than in U.S. intelligence agencies? Someone with awareness would know he should not publicly share that belief.

He's sublimely naive.

I think FreedomFromAll had it correct here:




Trump thinks he can stand toe to toe with the big boys and give as good as he gets. And the big boys stroke him and keep him believing that that's how they see the situation -- one of mutual respect between worthy adversaries. He's utterly clueless about how he is being played.

... or so it appears to me.

"Ignorance of the law is not a defense" comes to mind. I think most of us know that Trump is stunningly stupid. He can't even form a sentence and has a vocabulary of about 1,000 words. So it is likely that he was clueless to the fact that he was breaking the law. A lot. And constantly. Either that, or he figured he could lie his way out of it. We see more and more, though, that he probably entered a school zone while still doing 25 mph. I've done that, honestly didn't notice or mean to, and still gotten a speeding ticket.

 

[Fletch]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Your strawman questions throughout prove conclusively you haven't any arguments to present. You haven't anything coherent to offer much less something that is intelligible. The hit and run posts litter the thread in the same way Trump's tweets create chaos across the land. Trump is your model. That's a fail as we see on page after page of the thread. Thread after thread. Month after month. Your posts make no point other than this.

Explain how that is a 'strawman question.' Do you even know what a straw man is? It seems not. Let me give you a hint: a question you dont like and cannot answer is not a strawman question.

 

[HumblePi]

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Name the person who claimed to have found evidence of Trump/Russian collusion:

Brennan? No.
Clapper? No.
Comey? No.
Rosenstein? No.
McCabe? No.
Strzok? No.
Ohr? No.
Hillary Clinton? Yes.

The only ones that matters right now are the FBI counterintelligence and Robert Muller. We don't know what it is, and we possibly never will if it's not made public due to the danger of revealing sources and methods. But someone will read it, the AG and Congress will read it all in it's unredacted form. Those are the people that matter, not us.

 

[tecoyah]

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Golly...the FBI did what we pay it to do.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Your strawman questions throughout prove conclusively you haven't any arguments to present. You haven't anything coherent to offer much less something that is intelligible. The hit and run posts litter the thread in the same way Trump's tweets create chaos across the land. Trump is your model. That's a fail as we see on page after page of the thread. Thread after thread. Month after month. Your posts make no point other than this.

Putting Fletch on my 'ignore' list really helped free up a lot of space on every page. I highly recommend it.

 

[Fletch]

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Quitting while you are behind?

Theres a lot of that going on here today. They always get real touchy when one of their "This is the end of Trump" threads falls apart on them.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

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Wait, are the kids still crying about Comey being fired? Even though it's already been shown that there was no wrong doing when he did so?
Well, that's the desperation of left and to an extent, this who idiotic "resist" group as well.

I'll be here waiting to see if they can actually prove anything this time around. Though I'm not going to hold my breath on this one either.

When did anyone ever conclude that Comey's firing was proper? All that we know is that Trump had the authority to do it. Since his intentions haven't been determined or announced, the public has no idea if the firing was proper.

 

[HumblePi]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

What exactly does that have to do with the thread topic and the claim by some that Trump is a Russian operative? So OUR govt. forced 800,000 people out of work??? Really? Never took civics did you? The U.S. House passed the revised bill, Senate requires 60 votes for cloture and Republicans don't have those votes so it wasn't Trump that caused this problem it was the Democrats but you will never admit you are wrong on any subject, just a bad case of TDS. Vote on the bill, change the bill, vote on the changed bill without the 5 billion, let Trump veto the bill and override the veto, no govt. shutdown or better yet pass a DAMN Budget and this wouldn't be happening. You can blame Trump for every incident in this country but you are clueless when it comes to logic, common sense, and basic civics

In case you missed it, it's a response to the comment.

 

[Fletch]

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Putting Fletch on my 'ignore' list really helped free up a lot of space on every page. I highly recommend it.

If you come back I promise not to ask you any more tough questions.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Name the person who claimed to have found evidence of Trump/Russian collusion:

Brennan? No.
Clapper? No.
Comey? No.
Rosenstein? No.
McCabe? No.
Strzok? No.
Ohr? No.
Hillary Clinton? Yes.

Could add quite a few from both sides of the aisle in congress as well to that list of 'No's.

Just that Hillary's alone in that list should tell you something about this particular politically driven narrative, shouldn't it?

 

[Fletch]

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Gosh, I bet Trump wishes he could go back to the days of grabbing ******s and insulting football players. I sense that he will serve out his term. Then I hope he dies in prison.

I think the more likely event is that Trump will fill out two terms and you and many others will die in straight jackets.

 

[Hatuey]

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Slight correction here. The Trump Organization, the company, not 'Trump administration'. It came to naught in th early parts of the deal anyway, as the deal couldn't be concluded, and well before the 'Trump administration' was in existence.

Ah, so Manafort wasn't pursuing his own special agenda? Same as Flynn? I'm guessing you think the campaign, administration and the organization are all different entities. That's moronic knowing all we know about how Trump runs any ship.

Agree or leave.

Wouldn't have Obama and Hillary have already had their security clearance before that point in time?
This would be the same administration and investigative agencies that gave Hillary a pass with the classified documents on her private server?
The ones that claimed a 'lack of intent'? When clearly setting up and exclusively using a private email server demonstrated clear intent?
The ones that broke any number of FBI standards of both process and procedure to allow investigative subjects to attend Hillary's FBI interview?
The ones that have shown clear political bias in favor of Hillary and against Trump?
Those federal agencies?

There are however a lot of internet folks who disagree. Alex Jones fans. I don't care what they have to say until they come up with an investigation whose executives want to prosecute.

I'm no 'Alex Jones' fan. There already is public evidence for the statements that I've made, never mind that the leftist and biased media is loath to do any significant reporting on them.

Under a Trump run DOJ, no charges have been brought to Hillary, and no investigation has conclusively proven wrongdoing on behalf of Hillary Clinton or Obama. We have, however, seen numerous Trump campaign, and administration officials come under investigations for crimes committed during the campaign(as in Flynn/Papadopoulos case), and after (as in Flynn/Manafort/Cohen)

Your beliefs in a Deep State have been proven woefully misguided. Republicans were allowed the opportunity to investigate both sets of people and only during the Trump administration were they able to find anything at all, but on Trump.


Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[apdst]

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We aren't at war with Russia. You being pissed off at them doesn't make it illegal to do business with Russian companies.

 

[calamity]

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Is it denial or stupidity. I vote B.