[W:363]accepting gay as normal

[zyzygy]

For most, I would say no. There are some that do go out and try to get heterosexuals to come to the dark side.

:lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[Cougarbear]

Homosexuals who are attracted to someone of the same sex. There are lots of people who lack any sense of morality and their faith in Christ that can be subject to temptation of bad morality. If you are up to date, there has been same-sex kissing parties among heterosexual girls as well as I'm sure guys as well in high schools and even middle schools. It's been going on for decades now. Breaking down inhibitions and finally ending up with reprobate minds is how its been done for decades. Just like those who smoke, drink or do drugs entice others to go along with the crowd.

 

[Lisa]

Homosexuals who are attracted to someone of the same sex. There are lots of people who lack any sense of morality and their faith in Christ that can be subject to temptation of bad morality. If you are up to date, there has been same-sex kissing parties among heterosexual girls as well as I'm sure guys as well in high schools and even middle schools. It's been going on for decades now. Breaking down inhibitions and finally ending up with reprobate minds is how its been done for decades. Just like those who smoke, drink or do drugs entice others to go along with the crowd.

Do you have a source for the claim of same sex kissing parties among teens?

People are either born gay or they are. There is not a conscious choice to determine a persons sexual orientation. Most people are far more bisexual that they admit.

Prevalance of Homosexuality study

The Bible is a 2000 year old book of misogynistic social control and plagiarized mythology that is not in any way moral. Before you cite Leviticus 18 and 20, so do you obey all of Leviticus(which was meant as the code of conduct for Levite Rabbis) equally or do you pick and choose which passages that you support?

 

[Cougarbear]

Do you have a source for the claim of same sex kissing parties among teens?

People are either born gay or they are. There is not a conscious choice to determine a persons sexual orientation. Most people are far more bisexual that they admit.

Prevalance of Homosexuality study

The Bible is a 2000 year old book of misogynistic social control and plagiarized mythology that is not in any way moral. Before you cite Leviticus 18 and 20, so do you obey all of Leviticus(which was meant as the code of conduct for Levite Rabbis) equally or do you pick and choose which passages that you support?

"This is where straight women who feel curious about bisexual passion or romance, start out," it says. "The common interest makes it easy for like-minded individuals to connect with each other and find someone compatible, compared to leaving it up to chance." - Flexisexual: Girls Who Kiss Girls, But Like Boys - ABC News
This goes on in high schools and middle schools. It's nothing new but dangerous to the soul.

This was from another article: "When I was 15, my best friend just asked if she could kiss me. I was shocked and didn't really kiss back because I didn't know what to do. We flirted and made out for the next few months, and then we wound up dating for a year. I had never considered that I was anything but straight before her, but dating her definitely made realize that I'm bisexual." — Julia, 18 - 10 Girls Get Real About Their First Kisses With Girls This one shows that she was straight. But, after the dare to kiss another girl, she's now changed. Her inhibitions to shun homosexual behavior were taken down and now she enjoys doing girls. She wasn't born that way. Just like a drug addict introduces a person to drugs and gets hooked physically and mentally, so does the straight person get hoodwinked into immoral behavior through experimentation. Not that they know they were born gay. Duh!

As far as Leviticus, no, it's not just for the levite priests. It is a code of conduct and doctrine for the people of Moses to live under the law of Moses. Many of those laws are still under the Law of Christ as well. Romans chapter 1 and others teach this fact.

 

[Lisa]

"This is where straight women who feel curious about bisexual passion or romance, start out," it says. "The common interest makes it easy for like-minded individuals to connect with each other and find someone compatible, compared to leaving it up to chance." - Flexisexual: Girls Who Kiss Girls, But Like Boys - ABC News
This goes on in high schools and middle schools. It's nothing new but dangerous to the soul.

This was from another article: "When I was 15, my best friend just asked if she could kiss me. I was shocked and didn't really kiss back because I didn't know what to do. We flirted and made out for the next few months, and then we wound up dating for a year. I had never considered that I was anything but straight before her, but dating her definitely made realize that I'm bisexual." — Julia, 18 - 10 Girls Get Real About Their First Kisses With Girls This one shows that she was straight. But, after the dare to kiss another girl, she's now changed. Her inhibitions to shun homosexual behavior were taken down and now she enjoys doing girls. She wasn't born that way. Just like a drug addict introduces a person to drugs and gets hooked physically and mentally, so does the straight person get hoodwinked into immoral behavior through experimentation. Not that they know they were born gay. Duh!

As far as Leviticus, no, it's not just for the levite priests. It is a code of conduct and doctrine for the people of Moses to live under the law of Moses. Many of those laws are still under the Law of Christ as well. Romans chapter 1 and others teach this fact.

How is sexual experimentation dangerous to the soul, if you can prove that we have a soul?

Not even the Jews think that Leviticus applies to all Jews, so why would it even possibly apply to Christians? Most of the conservative Christians who cite Leviticus willfully ignore 99% of it, but we are not expected to notice their cafeteria hypocrisy. I am not a christian so why should anyone be expected to obey the myths of a religion that others am not part of and is not the basis for US law, unless you can also be required to obey the Bhagvad Gita, the Koran and Book of the dead because of the religious rights of other religious believers?

But, was it truly meant for the laity? Should all Jews have to adhere to its tenets, as is commonly assumed? Some Biblical scholars argue that the Book of Leviticus was not originally meant to apply to the general public: its laws were meant for the priests of the Temple.

In one section, there is no doubt. Chapter 21 explicitly hands down rules that apply specifically to priests, such as bans on ritual scarring and tattoos: "Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies."

Also, the priests and their families have to adhere to higher norms - "They must not marry women defiled by prostitution or divorced from their husbands If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire," Chapter 21 states, for example. But what about the rest of the book?

Can we eat bacon now? Leviticus was written for priests, not you, say scholars - Archaeology - Haaretz.com

 

[Peter King]

No, it's done during class time now. And, again, when you were young like around 3 -7 years old, you saw something or something happened in your environment that made you think about being gay. You don't remember because you were so young and we don't remember much from back then. The Reprobate mind finally happened and now you think you were born that way. Nope!

that is just plain ignorant. Kids aren't being turned gay, they are being taught that if a classmate has 2 dads or 2 mothers that the classmate is not a degenerate/spawn of satan and that the 2 mothers/2 fathers are evil.

Children when the reach a certain age just happen to be gay. All a school can do is support them and punish those who bully gay kids and ban parents of children who are making a big stink about there being a gay kid at school. Being gay is not contagious or dangerous, only gay bashing/homo hating parents are dangerous to all of society.

 

[Peter King]

They are now educated on gays and lesbians in elementary schools. At least here in California. But, all it takes is for a small child to watch a movie and see two men kiss or women kiss and that can start the problem. Especially if the child has any compulsive disorders.

Total nonsense, having a compulsive disorder does not make you go around kissing same sex kids, really, do you actually have any idea what a compulsive disorder is? From your nonsense comments I seriously doubt it.

And elementary school kids are being taught what gay and lesbian is because most likely there is a kid with 2 daddies or 2 mommies on that school.

And last time I checked parents decide what their children watch, I would seriously doubt anybody is showing them brokeback mountain or anything like that. And a normal response from a child who sees something like that is not going out and kissing all the same sex kids in the school as a result of a gay or lesbian kiss.

 

[Cougarbear]

How is sexual experimentation dangerous to the soul, if you can prove that we have a soul?

Not even the Jews think that Leviticus applies to all Jews, so why would it even possibly apply to Christians? Most of the conservative Christians who cite Leviticus willfully ignore 99% of it, but we are not expected to notice their cafeteria hypocrisy. I am not a christian so why should anyone be expected to obey the myths of a religion that others am not part of and is not the basis for US law, unless you can also be required to obey the Bhagvad Gita, the Koran and Book of the dead because of the religious rights of other religious believers?


Can we eat bacon now? Leviticus was written for priests, not you, say scholars - Archaeology - Haaretz.com

Your questions are accurate. My answers are too. I can answer them by simply pointing out people of Moses time often questioned his authority as well. People of Jesus time questioned his authority as well. And, in our days, the same is true. The answer is, the only way God makes his secrets (commandments) known is through his servants, the Prophets Amos 3:7. Today, to answer which laws and commandments we are to follow can only be done if the Heavens are open and we have a Prophet called by God himself. We do beginning with Joseph Smith continuing to the present, Russel M. Nelson. All other people have no prophet of God and therefore have no answer, including you.

 

[Peter King]

Homosexuals who are attracted to someone of the same sex. There are lots of people who lack any sense of morality and their faith in Christ that can be subject to temptation of bad morality. If you are up to date, there has been same-sex kissing parties among heterosexual girls as well as I'm sure guys as well in high schools and even middle schools. It's been going on for decades now. Breaking down inhibitions and finally ending up with reprobate minds is how its been done for decades. Just like those who smoke, drink or do drugs entice others to go along with the crowd.

Just because you believe in christ does not mean everybody has to be infected with your breed of intolerance or lack of more modern moralities.

And yes, gays are usually attracted to other men and those who then have relationships with them are almost certainly 100% gay also. And so what, a girl kisses a girl. It does not scar them for life you know, a kiss is a kiss is a kiss an it is not a big issue (in non-judgemental people that is).

Also, just because one is lesbian/gay does not make one unprincipled, just thank goodness for them your kind of intolerant principles. And again, being gay is not contagious, stupidity about homosexuality is however very contagious.

 

[TheGoverness]

They are now educated on gays and lesbians in elementary schools. At least here in California. But, all it takes is for a small child to watch a movie and see two men kiss or women kiss and that can start the problem. Especially if the child has any compulsive disorders.

Seeing a gay couple kiss is a movie/TV Show is not gonna cause anyone to be gay. It's not like I never saw straight couples kissing in movies or TV when I was a kid; that didn't turn me "straight". Because it's idiotic to believe that to be the case.

 

[roguenuke]

No, it's done during class time now. And, again, when you were young like around 3 -7 years old, you saw something or something happened in your environment that made you think about being gay. You don't remember because you were so young and we don't remember much from back then. The Reprobate mind finally happened and now you think you were born that way. Nope!

I never thought to myself "I wonder what it would feel like to like girls". I dont know anyone who thought that because those who were gay already knew what it felt like to like, be attracted to members of the same sex.

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[Cougarbear]

Seeing a gay couple kiss is a movie/TV Show is not gonna cause anyone to be gay. It's not like I never saw straight couples kissing in movies or TV when I was a kid; that didn't turn me "straight". Because it's idiotic to believe that to be the case.

No, but something in your past environment affected you in giving it a chance as an alternative to knowing and doing what is right, heterosexual behavior. You chose the wrong and not the right. If it was a natural thing there would be more than 3-5% homosexuals in society.

 

[roguenuke]

No, but something in your past environment affected you in giving it a chance as an alternative to knowing and doing what is right, heterosexual behavior. You chose the wrong and not the right. If it was a natural thing there would be more than 3-5% homosexuals in society.

This is just your opinion. There is no evidence to support that anything in her past led her to choose any part of her being homosexual.

And it isnt a bad thing, regardless if how much you wish to believe it is.

Fewer than that are geniuses, yet they are natural. Fewer people are intersexed, and it is natural. Fewer people have extraordinary abilities, such as being able to control their internal temp/metabolism or smelling in colors or hearing in colors.

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[bearpoker]

No, it's done during class time now. And, again, when you were young like around 3 -7 years old, you saw something or something happened in your environment that made you think about being gay. You don't remember because you were so young and we don't remember much from back then. The Reprobate mind finally happened and now you think you were born that way. Nope!

Well this is an interesting theory. Have you got any studies to back it up or is it a product of too much time and weed on your hands? How are you going to fight this insidious process. Are you going to have minders in all the preschools and kindergartens. We can't be too careful with the budding sexuality of toddlers. Better keep an eye on the Girl Scouts. Brownies are a subversive bunch if ever there was one.:lamo

 

[Cougarbear]

This is just your opinion. There is no evidence to support that anything in her past led her to choose any part of her being homosexual.

And it isnt a bad thing, regardless if how much you wish to believe it is.

Fewer than that are geniuses, yet they are natural. Fewer people are intersexed, and it is natural. Fewer people have extraordinary abilities, such as being able to control their internal temp/metabolism or smelling in colors or hearing in colors.

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We would have to investigate deeply into her past. If we did, we would find many of opportunities where evil people and influences prepared her to think she was gay. The young mind is very impressionable. Yes, there are imperfections of the body which is not natural. But, homosexual thoughts and actions are not natural. They are learned behaviors. There is no evidence to prove it's DNA or Biological in human nature. Even if it were, God will not be mocked and he has set the parameters of human sexuality and behavior between couples male and female in legally and lawful marriages.

 

[roguenuke]

We would have to investigate deeply into her past. If we did, we would find many of opportunities where evil people and influences prepared her to think she was gay. The young mind is very impressionable. Yes, there are imperfections of the body which is not natural. But, homosexual thoughts and actions are not natural. They are learned behaviors. There is no evidence to prove it's DNA or Biological in human nature. Even if it were, God will not be mocked and he has set the parameters of human sexuality and behavior between couples male and female in legally and lawful marriages.

Uh, no.

Again, this is an unsupported claim based on your opinion, not any sort of research or evidence.

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[zyzygy]

Uh, no.

Again, this is an unsupported claim based on your opinion, not any sort of research or evidence.

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As usual. Cougarbear appears to have no idea about proof.

 

[Miss Kitty]

Re: accepting gay as normal

lol. Never heard that one.

I think it's in the DNA. Being gay is not a personal choice.

We’re all entitled to opinions but there are no facts when it comes to nature vs nurture.

For the Pro choice advocates if they do find there is a gay gene and it is detectable in a fetus would it be acceptable to abort a fetus solely because it contained a gay gene?

 

[vegas giants]

Re: accepting gay as normal

We’re all entitled to opinions but there are no facts when it comes to nature vs nurture.

For the Pro choice advocates if they do find there is a gay gene and it is detectable in a fetus would it be acceptable to abort a fetus solely because it contained a gay gene?

You may abort a fetus for any reason. In fact no reason is required to be given

 

[narrowroad]

Re: accepting gay as normal

Gays are not normal, they are exceptional! Like people who are left handed, or have a genius IQ.

right and straights ought to be rounded up and shot?

i just wasted 2 minutes on this nothing post

 

[narrowroad]

Re: accepting gay as normal

If gay is so normal, why did it take so long for... there to be so many gays running around or so called gays?

i mean, in the time of Abraham Lincoln, for example... we don't find historians talking abou gay people

oh,they all stayed in the closet..

well, i guess there is no way to prove there were fewer of them back then (if they were all in the closet) but i say there were fewer of them

when society accept and embraces something, suprrise surprise, that something increases... funny how that works

 

[vegas giants]

Re: accepting gay as normal

If gay is so normal, why did it take so long for... there to be so many gays running around or so called gays?

i mean, in the time of Abraham Lincoln, for example... we don't find historians talking abou gay people

oh,they all stayed in the closet..

well, i guess there is no way to prove there were fewer of them back then (if they were all in the closet) but i say there were fewer of them

when society accept and embraces something, suprrise surprise, that something increases... funny how that works

Yeah it's great that they are accepted now

 

[Redress]

Re: accepting gay as normal

right and straights ought to be rounded up and shot?

i just wasted 2 minutes on this nothing post

Why did your reply to me have exactly nothing to do with what I said?

 

[CLAX1911]

Up front---I am not in favor of gays being attacked or victimized in any way. Their affliction is not self imposed or chosen but the result of an unfortunate act of nature and if it were the norm, most of us would not be here today.

Those, mostly on the liberal left are working hard to normalize gay behavior to the detriment of us all. How did Sodom and Gomorrah work out? The left leaning agenda has progressed so far in the media that almost every prime time show on TV includes some type of gay activity. Pandering politicians have passed laws the favor the LGBTQ crowd making them a separate protected segment of society. I have actually seen a commercial recently that had two gay men swapping spit. You can shove this stuff down my throat but I will not accept it as gospel.

I have this question of all parents of a young teenage boy. What will be the outcome after you have been brain washed into thinking that the gay life style is perfectly ok, it’s normal behavior and not to be questioned as if it were actually gods way.

This is one result I see coming down the road. Guys, think back to your early teen years when you were the victim of raging hormones. To coin an old phrase---“he would screw a snake if someone held it down”. Unpleasant statement but so true, boys and men are sexually aggressive (natures way). Your sons are or will experience the same emotions and urges as will all of his friends. Remember the good old sleepovers of the past? Just what do you think will be going on when every kid there has the same view about how normal gay sex is? Got the picture in your mind. Is that really ok with you?

Your turn, go for it.

As far as what parents think about it, I hardly see any relevance. You can think whatever you want it won't change anything. Further I don't understand how a loving God could be so bitter about something that really isn't that big of an issue. The world's population is stable. Some people have rather peculiar deities.

Also the idea that television and culture persuades people into trying homosexuality is a bit odd. So the only reason heterosexual people exist is because they didn't see gays in television?

Also the male sex drive is nothing new not is the homosexual loop hole it's been there as long as there have been people yet few people even today take it. So the dangers are minimal.

But of an odd post but here we are.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: accepting gay as normal

If gay is so normal, why did it take so long for... there to be so many gays running around or so called gays?

They have always been running around. Throughout all of history. Some societies didn't repress them so we have historical records. The idea that this is new is rather silly.

i mean, in the time of Abraham Lincoln, for example... we don't find historians talking abou gay people

oh,they all stayed in the closet..

Or nobody cared it wasn't until psychology caught on that people started making a fuss.

well, i guess there is no way to prove there were fewer of them back then (if they were all in the closet) but i say there were fewer of them

Likely not. There were societal obligations people mostly married out of duty rather than love, so likely they had opposite sex spouses.

when society accept and embraces something, suprrise surprise, that something increases... funny how that works

Well people being open about it, identifying themselves as gay, sure. But if the only reason you aren't gay is because of social pressure to conform, you aren't straight.