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[W:326]*****Death By Pregnancy

Re: Death By Pregnancy

Court Jester said:
Because of course animals have rights--- don't they?
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Actually, animals and fetuses/unborn have about the same rights, which do not include a right to life. You can kill your pet legally, put them down. But you are not allowed to harm them, torture them, use them to fight other animals for sport (which is interesting, because a person can decide to fight other humans for sport, as long as they are both consenting and it meets legal guidelines). But you can kill your chickens or cows for food. Heck, you can even kill your dog and in most cases not even have to explain why, so long as it is not seen as cruel if investigated.
 
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Lursa said:
My point still stands, since it would mean that women that didnt want to take the risk to begin with and would have aborted early, would now be added to those that would die
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So does mine...the OP was deceptive...
 
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Lursa said:
You show more ignorance about abortion.

There is no invasive procedure for 97.5% of abortions, where the unborn is raspberry sized or smaller, and has not yet developed what they clearly discussed in YOUR source. That procedure painlessly flushes the unborn from the womb. Reaction to stimuli is not 'feeling pain.' Worms react to touch...doesnt mean they are in pain and they have only the most primitive nervous systems...just like these early abortions.

As for later, *medically necessary* abortions, ***as I wrote*** by law anesthetic lethal injection must be administered before removal. The unborn is dead before any such procedure takes place :roll: So no pain, no awareness.
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You show more ignorance of the truth, since not all abortions are early...
 
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Elvira said:
You show more ignorance of the truth, since not all abortions are early...
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Over 98% are, and late term abortions are done for emergency purposes only.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-p...s-late-term-abortions-law-women-who-get-them/

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about 1.3 percent of abortions were performed at or greater than 21 weeks of gestation in 2015. In contrast, 91.1 percent were performed at or before 13 weeks and 7.6 percent at 14 to 20 weeks.

...pregnant women may experience conditions such as “premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta” late in pregnancy that may endanger their lives.

“Women in these circumstances may risk extensive blood loss, stroke, and septic shock that could lead to maternal death. Politicians must never require a doctor to wait for a medical condition to worsen and become life-threatening before being able to provide evidence-based care to their patients, including an abortion,” the ACOG said.
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Elvira said:
You show more ignorance of the truth, since not all abortions are early...
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Um, I did write that. :roll:

And re: the OP being 'deceptive' as you claim...not sure about that, as your reading comprehension is currently questionable.
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

roguenuke said:
You are making it different than 1 to 1. Since it is not your life potentially on the line from a pregnancy, or put at least into hardship, then it doesn't matter what value you put on an unborn. You are not even aware of them as anything more than a number.
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Many policies weigh the lives of human beings in statistical terms (or "numbers", if you prefer). Banning firearms will save some lives and take some lives. Using municipal funds to build a park rather than a drug rehab clinic will save some lives and take some lives. Mandating vaccinations for nurses will save some lives and take some lives.

In each case, lives are being weighed against lives. Nobody would argue for mandatory vaccinations, for example, if the fatality rate of the vaccine was comparable to the number of lives it saved.

Foetuses are human beings. This is the assertion of every pro-lifer, including myself. On a balance scale weighing the greater good versus the greater evil, this humanity carries weight. The number of lives on the scale carries weight. You claim that emphasizing the number is dehumanizing, but it's the opposite: the number is meaningful precisely because it reflects human lives; it's not being multiplied by a negligible value.
 
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Lursa said:
The law would condemn ALL women to a significant risk of their lives...one that is not always predictable or preventable. Even if you dont believe in changing the law, your moral position is (unless you describe it differently) that ALL women should *have to* take that significant risk *against their will.*
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As with the last 6 (or 7 or 8) times we've discussed the subject: I'm arguing morality and not legality.

Numbers and statistics (the very same being derided in this thread) persuaded me some time ago that abortion bans are ineffective. Simply banning the practice doesn't address the root of the problem, which is the belief that the child in the womb isn't a human being or is of negligible worth.

If I can convince even one expectant mother to value her child in the womb as much as she would value it as a newborn, and to make the same decisions vis a vis her health in both cases, I'd consider this more than sufficient reward for my time spent in these threads.
 
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calamity said:
In the US, it's a huge problem



So, forced-birthers need to drop the BS lie that pregnancy is not a danger. It clearly is.



So, next time you want to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

When women die in childbirth, these are the fathers left behind - CNN
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If this is a worry for people. It's easy...don't do anything that could result in pregnancy. Problem solved. If I'm worried about being killed doing something I simply don't do it. It's rather easy to avoid life threatening situations.
 
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AlphaOmega said:
If this is a worry for people. It's easy...don't do anything that could result in pregnancy. Problem solved. If I'm worried about being killed doing something I simply don't do it. It's rather easy to avoid life threatening situations.
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“Damn sluts should hold their knees together!”
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

AlphaOmega said:
If this is a worry for people. It's easy...don't do anything that could result in pregnancy. Problem solved. If I'm worried about being killed doing something I simply don't do it. It's rather easy to avoid life threatening situations.
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Or you use protection. If the protection fails, you have options.

I have to agree with Calamity, sounds like you are slut shaming.
 
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year2late said:
Or you use protection. If the protection fails, you have options.

I have to agree with Calamity, sounds like you are slut shaming.
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Your incorrect inferences are your problem not mine. Incorrect inferences are typically a sign of poor education. How did you arrive at slut shaming? Are you saying pregnant women are all sluts? In order for your inference to be true that means that is what you believe not me.
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

AlphaOmega said:
If this is a worry for people. It's easy...don't do anything that could result in pregnancy. Problem solved. If I'm worried about being killed doing something I simply don't do it. It's rather easy to avoid life threatening situations.
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Anyone in a car accident should be banned from medical treatment.


Should have never gotten in the car
 
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vegas giants said:
Anyone in a car accident should be banned from medical treatment.


Should have never gotten in the car
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Bad analogy. The correct analogy. If you are worried about death by car accident then don't get in car.
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

AlphaOmega said:
Bad analogy. The correct analogy. If you are worried about death by car accident then don't get in car.
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Cars have seat belts; pregnancies have abortion. See how that works?


It's not like the forced-birthers give a **** about the babies anyway. If they did, they would not be going out of their way to deny them food, shelter, medical treatment, day care and education.
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

AlphaOmega said:
Bad analogy. The correct analogy. If you are worried about death by car accident then don't get in car.
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And if you do get in one.....no medical treatment for you!
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

AlphaOmega said:
Your incorrect inferences are your problem not mine. Incorrect inferences are typically a sign of poor education. How did you arrive at slut shaming? Are you saying pregnant women are all sluts? In order for your inference to be true that means that is what you believe not me.
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Are you saying the option is for a woman not to be sexually active unless she agrees to remain pregnant if that occurs despite contraceptive use?
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

vegas giants said:
And if you do get in one.....no medical treatment for you!
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Same should apply then to those who shoot themselves, smoke, eat crappy food, climb rocks, ride bicycles, or cross busy streets.

Yes, AO's argument was that stupid.
 
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What if we were to give free IUDs to women?

That would cut down on abortions.
 
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year2late said:
Are you saying the option is for a woman not to be sexually active unless she agrees to remain pregnant if that occurs despite contraceptive use?
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You should not be sexually active unless you’re open to pregnancy within marriage. Both must be present, anything else is lust which is gravely evil.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
You should not be sexually active unless you’re open to pregnancy within marriage. Both must be present, anything else is lust which is gravely evil.
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Your moral opinion is noted and dismissed
 
Re: Death By Pregnancy

calamity said:
Cars have seat belts; pregnancies have abortion. See how that works?


It's not like the forced-birthers give a **** about the babies anyway. If they did, they would not be going out of their way to deny them food, shelter, medical treatment, day care and education.
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Wrong analogy again. Seat belts would be like a condom. Good idea but they don't guarantee you won't get killed. They just reduce your chances.
 
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