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[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

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not really. You didn't learn anything.
Its cute that you think I'm the one with the deficit.
 
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I have pointed to what is written. You on the other hand have given me nothing more than your personal opinion on how it should be interpreted. Not surprising really as there is no god to give a decisive interpretation all we have is individuals making up there own stories as to what that badly written book means.
WHat was written verifies that a Christian is an imperfect human being that strives to follow Christs teachings, a Christian does not judge homosexuals but accepts Gods word on homosexuality, and God has declared homosexuality a sin in both the Old and New Testament.

I'd say we worked through that pretty completely.
 
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WHat was written verifies that a Christian is an imperfect human being that strives to follow Christs teachings, a Christian does not judge homosexuals but accepts Gods word on homosexuality, and God has declared homosexuality a sin in both the Old and New Testament.

I'd say we worked through that pretty completely.

I can agree that you believe that. No surprise every christian must have their own personal subjective opinion of what a god wants and how to interpret that want from a book that can be used to justify the murder of gays or help little old ladies cross the street.

But to pretend that all christians think the same as you is ludicrous and a rather poor attempt to deny reality.

This nonsense view being pushed by you and others of blame the sin and not the sinner is just a joke. A poor excuse to vilify gays while pretending you're not. It is a worthless division you make. Would you feel any comfort from atheists saying that it is not the christian who needs to be despised but the christianity.
 
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Animals were not created with a conscience nor do they have the capacity to worship God, nor to distinguish right from wrong...animals were created to operate on instinct alone, part of that instinct is to procreate...animals have no power of reason or logic...man does...well, supposedly he does, some don't...


I"ve seen two primates, one young, the older much older, try and remove an unlocked padlock on a briefcase in order to open it. The briefcase wasn't actually locked, but the unlocked lock had to be removed to open the case. There was nothing instinctive about it. In order to do it, it required a rational thought process. The younger ape, a chimpanzee, took about 15 minutes to figure it out. the older ape, a gorilla, looked at it, looked it over, giving it an inspection, and opened it within seconds.

Apes, at least, are capable, therefore, of rational thought, though simple. They are said to have a similar power of reasoning as a 5 year old child.

The gorilla, when a man got close to him, the gorilla moved in closer for a hug. Dogs, as well, seek affection. Higher animals, therefore, though they are not self aware, they are sentient beings. They experience emotions. they have souls. ( just a guess, I do believe in souls, but not god)
 
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You make it sound like God hates homosexuals! Nothing could be further from the truth. God hates the sin of homosexuality, but he loves the homosexual person.

Gays are taught that they are born that way, but obviously that's not the truth. God has given us free will to make decisions on a lot of different things including sexual lust.

A person who is gay and practicing homosexual activity, can get on his knees and come to Christ and ask the Lord for forgiveness of his sins including the sin of homosexuality. They can ask the Lord into their life and grow in to their Christian commitment from there.

He may continue for a while in his homosexual lifestyle, just as other Sinners don't give up their sins right away because of habit, because of weakness, because of the familiar pulls of our past life, and maybe Satan's even ranglin in his ear.

But over time if one truly has committed himself to Christ, and starts reading His Word everyday and praying to Him and having a personal relationship with Jesus, eventually sins of all nature will begin to manifest themselves less and less..

But make no mistake God loves a homosexual. He hates the sin of homosexual activity.

A person who is presently Gay can come to Jesus right now, and the Lord would welcome them with open arms. He says “come just as you are”.


IF there were a God, I would not be asserting what god hates or loves. I doubt He isn't subject to human foibles, like love and hate. Surely, he's way above all that.

The more I think about it, the whole premise of "God - creator of the universe" is absurd. Its not even logical.

Mankind creates a God because he has an empty void in his being he needs to fill. The mystery of life. The mind does not like a mystery so the only solution he can create to solve that mystery is to invent a God. The mind cannot fathom infinity, that life has no beginning and end.
https://users.drew.edu/jlenz/whynot.html

The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. -- Bertrand Russell


But, it's a half baked solution. If we resolve that life had to be created by a creator, then why are we content with not wondering whether God was created or not? If we cannot accept that life was not created, why are we content that God was not created? It's a half-baked solution, and in my book, it's not a solution, it's not logical, because if we don't accept that God was not created, then it becomes an endless loop. We are back to square one.

It's a logical inconsistency, therefore, to my mind, it's a poor solution to the mystery of life, and a poor solution is not a solution at all.

why not just accept life as a mystery, and concentrate on living it to the fullest, rather than make up a God, who has all this stuff about making us feel guilty, that if we don't do has he tells us we are going to hell forever? my Gawd, all that is really such a burden.

There is no greater freedom to lift from one's soul than the burden of religious belief.

I was stuck in a religion when I was a teenager, and the greatest day of my life was when I realized the God does not exist.

Free at last !

Guess what, my moral outlook did not change one iota.

I have a friend who really believes that, because I did not accept Christ as my savior, I'm going to hell forever.

He really believes that! What an awful thing to be burdened with. I felt only pity for him.

Now, I mentioned that I view freedom from religion as unburdening the soul.

Before you do a "gotcha" ....

Now, yes, I believe there is a soul in living things, that there is a spiritual basis to existence ( godless, though ). But, my reasoning for that is a whole other thread.

"Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived" --proverb





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Thats not an answer...thats just a snotty snarky response from someone that knows they got called out saying stupid ****.
So you've never actually read the Bible, then.
 
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I can agree that you believe that. No surprise every christian must have their own personal subjective opinion of what a god wants and how to interpret that want from a book that can be used to justify the murder of gays or help little old ladies cross the street.

But to pretend that all christians think the same as you is ludicrous and a rather poor attempt to deny reality.

This nonsense view being pushed by you and others of blame the sin and not the sinner is just a joke. A poor excuse to vilify gays while pretending you're not. It is a worthless division you make. Would you feel any comfort from atheists saying that it is not the christian who needs to be despised but the christianity.
I dont pretend all Christians think like me. I am just stating the facts regarding the OP topic...the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality. If you disavow Gods word on homosexuality, that makes you of 'the world'...and not of God. Hard to reconcile that with Christianity. In fact...YOU specifically posted book and chapter explaining how that does not work.
 
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Why would you talk to other people unless to learn something or dominate them.

We aren't talking about Hobbies here.
Some topics begin with basic truths. If you cannot accept even a basic truth, what more is there to discuss?
 
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WHat was written verifies that a Christian is an imperfect human being that strives to follow Christs teachings, a Christian does not judge homosexuals but accepts Gods word on homosexuality, and God has declared homosexuality a sin in both the Old and New Testament.

I'd say we worked through that pretty completely.

Why take any notice of an imaginary being?
 
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Some topics begin with basic truths. If you cannot accept even a basic truth, what more is there to discuss?

Some topics begin with basic 'claims' which are presented as basic 'truths.'
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

If you were gay, the bolded would go, "kaput" in 10 seconds. Just like it did with that megachurch preacher in Colorado.

The bottom line is that you have zero ability to empathize with people whose sexual preference differs from yours. You hide behind your bible with you homophobia, which I think is pretty cowardly.
 
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Here's the problem: Either find a way to accommodate people's religious beliefs or engage in religious persecution. Pick one.

Beliefs are 100% fine. Even with trump in the WH it's still a free country. It's when beliefs turn into discriminatory policy that they become dangerous. The GOP, backed by the christian right have had a hard on for gay folks for decades (pun intended).
 
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You make it sound like God hates homosexuals! Nothing could be further from the truth. God hates the sin of homosexuality, but he loves the homosexual person.

Gays are taught that they are born that way, but obviously that's not the truth. God has given us free will to make decisions on a lot of different things including sexual lust.

A person who is gay and practicing homosexual activity, can get on his knees and come to Christ and ask the Lord for forgiveness of his sins including the sin of homosexuality. They can ask the Lord into their life and grow in to their Christian commitment from there.

He may continue for a while in his homosexual lifestyle, just as other Sinners don't give up their sins right away because of habit, because of weakness, because of the familiar pulls of our past life, and maybe Satan's even ranglin in his ear.

But over time if one truly has committed himself to Christ, and starts reading His Word everyday and praying to Him and having a personal relationship with Jesus, eventually sins of all nature will begin to manifest themselves less and less..

But make no mistake God loves a homosexual. He hates the sin of homosexual activity.

A person who is presently Gay can come to Jesus right now, and the Lord would welcome them with open arms. He says “come just as you are”.

Explain to me why a person would choose to be considered a pariah by folks like you. You're saying gay people choose to be gay but could chose to be straight?

How hard do you guys hit the sacramental wine prior to your church services?
 
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Beliefs are 100% fine. Even with trump in the WH it's still a free country. It's when beliefs turn into discriminatory policy that they become dangerous. The GOP, backed by the christian right have had a hard on for gay folks for decades (pun intended).

Many of the Christian right are still in the closet.
 
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If you were gay, the bolded would go, "kaput" in 10 seconds. Just like it did with that megachurch preacher in Colorado.

The bottom line is that you have zero ability to empathize with people whose sexual preference differs from yours. You hide behind your bible with you homophobia, which I think is pretty cowardly.

That was Ted Haggard who founded the New Life Church here in Colorado Springs and was the former president of the National Association of Evangelicals.He went to 'gay conversion therapy',left early,and started another church here.
 
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Many of the Christian right are still in the closet.

What a horrible way to live. Marrying someone you're not attracted to and then sneaking of to seek companionship in public restrooms. They have my sympathy.
 
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That was Ted Haggard who founded the New Life Church here in Colorado Springs and was the former president of the National Association of Evangelicals.He went to 'gay conversion therapy',left early,and started another church here.

<shaking my head> what a way to live.
 
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What a horrible way to live. Marrying someone you're not attracted to and then sneaking of to seek companionship in public restrooms. They have my sympathy.

Gays are much happier when out of the closet.
 
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Explain to me why a person would choose to be considered a pariah by folks like you. You're saying gay people choose to be gay but could chose to be straight?

How hard do you guys hit the sacramental wine prior to your church services?

Obviously you have no knowledge on the subject. I have a choice to choose to be or not to engage in homosexual activity. So does anyone else. You may have been told you were born Gay, but that is not true. If everyone has sex only with their same sex, human kind would be wiped out in one generation.

It's un natural. We are meant to pro-create.
 
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What a horrible way to live. Marrying someone you're not attracted to and then sneaking of to seek companionship in public restrooms. They have my sympathy.

I know. Hundreds of dude's all across my state, use waysides, parks, trail's, to suck each other off or jerk each other off, then go home to mama. Can you folks at least have sex privately? Family with children are using these same parks.

They have sex with anyone and everyone who happens to be looking for the same thang. Right there, on the spot, never met before...how can people do that? I bet across the country thousands and thousands of these escapades happen every day.

What is wrong with you people. You wanna be Gay go ahead and be Gay. But dude, show some class and human dignity, and do it in the privacy of your own home.

Or can you at least rent a room by the hour please? Full fill your lusts, feel ashamed briefly, and do it all again the next day or later in the week. What a terrible life. Empty.

Through all of that, Jesus still wants you to come and be a part of His family because He loves you as much as He loves me. I don't, but He does.
 
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I know. Hundreds of dude's all across my state, use waysides, parks, trail's, to suck each other off or jerk each other off, then go home to mama. Can you folks at least have sex privately? Family with children are using these same parks.

They have sex with anyone and everyone who happens to be looking for the same thang. Right there, on the spot, never met before...how can people do that? I bet across the country thousands and thousands of these escapades happen every day.

What is wrong with you people. You wanna be Gay go ahead and be Gay. But dude, show some class and human dignity, and do it in the privacy of your own home.

Or can you at least rent a room by the hour please? Full fill your lusts, feel ashamed briefly, and do it all again the next day or later in the week. What a terrible life. Empty.

Through all of that, Jesus still wants you to come and be a part of His family because He loves you as much as He loves me. I don't, but He does.

How many heterosexuals have you witnessed engaging in public sex ? Having sex in public places isn't done exclusively by homosexuals. Are you going to call out these folks too,or do you and Jesus give them a free pass since they aren't gay?
 
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