[*W:193*] Israel considers banning entry to outspoken US congresswomen

[Acadia]

I am curious.. can you provide any evidence that these two women want the destruction of Israel?

 

[Acadia]

398 Republicans and Democrats came together to condemn a boycott of Israel.

424 Republicans and Democrats came together to condemn anti-Semitism.

395 Republicans and Democrats came together for Iron Dome funding.


Now suddenly, Democrats want to insist Israel allow entry to 2 anti-Semite, BDS-supporting, Israel-has-no-right-to-exist Congresswomen.

 

[Athanasius68]

The problem is POTUS instructed them to deny entry, contrary to Israel's previous pledge to allow entry to any member of Congress. And Israel did as instructed by POTUS. If Trump kept his damn mouth shut for once, you could have attributed the decision to Israel, but the idiot in chief can't help himself.

So now we have a POTUS dishonestly attacking members of Congress, instructing other countries to deny them entry, based on their political speech. Shouldn't we all be able to agree that's a bad precedent?

Israel apparently has a law which allows the barring of those in the BDS movement from entering the country. Evidently, the desire by these two supporters to enter Israel was the source of political strife within the Israeli government-- enforcing BDS law vs. upsetting an American ally. It sounds like Trump got wind of that and just said there would be no issue from Washington with however they decided.

 

[Lutherf]

Billions of dollars in aids sure would give them attention.

Is there anyone else you're like us to cozy up with as an ally in the region? The US has always been a rather staunch advocate for independence and when we have a friendly nation that has been under attack by their neighbors and other nations in the region for the past 60 years we kind of have a moral obligation to support them.

 

[JasperL]

It's not like that at all. In no way, shape or form is the US the "boss" of Israel.

Sure we are. We're the source of $billions in aid every year, for decades, our iron clad defense commitments almost guarantee the safety of Israel, we supply them weapons, support them without reservation at the UN, etc. It's absurd to say that all those ways we essentially guarantee the very existence of Israel don't provide us with enormous leverage over relatively minor decisions like this, much less major ones like war with Iran, etc.

Why are you insisting otherwise?

 

[AProudLefty]

Is there anyone else you're like us to cozy up with as an ally in the region? The US has always been a rather staunch advocate for independence and when we have a friendly nation that has been under attack by their neighbors and other nations in the region for the past 60 years we kind of have a moral obligation to support them.

So yes Trump did influence Ben?

 

[Common Sense 1]

Israel bars entry to outspoken US congresswomen

Israel bars entry to outspoken US congresswomen

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel said Thursday that it will bar two Democratic congresswomen from entering the country ahead of a planned visit over their support for a Palestinian-led boycott movement, a decision announced shortly after President Donald Trump tweeted that it would “show great weakness” to allow them in.

The move to bar Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota from visiting appeared to be unprecedented. It marked a deep foray by Israel into America’s bitterly polarized politics and a sharp escalation of Israel’s campaign against the international boycott movement.

 

[AProudLefty]

Now suddenly, Democrats want to insist Israel allow entry to 2 anti-Semite, BDS-supporting, Israel-has-no-right-to-exist Congresswomen.

Source?

 

[Athanasius68]

That's absolutely ridiculous. They're both being punished for the freedom of speech THEY HAVE HERE, not in Israel. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib were going to visit the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during their trip. Both women are Muslim and intended to visit the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock shrine at the holy site. For people who aren't aware, Jerusalem is the holiest place on earth for many religions, Christian, Jew and Muslim. Rashida Tlaib's grandmother lives in the West Bank and she planned to visit her. The US delegation was expected to land on Friday 16 August, and Tlaib, who is a Detroit native born to Palestinian immigrant parents, had allocated several days of her trip to spend with her extended family, away from work and media.

Benjamin Netanyahu is facing an election next month and he's already a dark horse. Many people claim he stole the last election. Last February, 2019, he was expected to be indicted on charges of fraud, bribery and corruption. Netanyahu reacted with 'fire and fury', calling the investigations a 'witch hunt'. (sounds so familiar) Netanyahu’s lawyers initially asked for a full-year postponement until next July, reportedly arguing that there was too much evidence to review in three months, but that request was denied. I think that's it's very ironic that the ONLY foreign leader to be appearing to help his chances of reelection is another one accused of corruption. It was suspicious when Trump moved the U.S. embassy, and shocking when he chose to officially recognize the annexation of the Golan Heights. There was no pressing need to do that, and it certainly appears to be it aimed to help Netanyahu win reelection. Pre-trial hearings can take a year or even longer. If, after the hearings, he is indicted and goes to trial, the trial itself could take an additional year. If convicted, Netanyahu would then have a chance to appeal to the Supreme Court, which could take many more months, potentially pushing the case into 2021.

In the meantime, an agreement was signed in 2018 in which the US pledges to give Israel $38 billion dollars over 10 years, or $3.8 billion per year. That's US taxpayer money. The US has always supported Israel militarily since the 'Iron Dome' essentially protects the interests of both the US and Israel in the Middle East. The US has always given billions to Israel, but the agreement in 2018 added more to the foreign aid package than usual although not quite the 4.6 billion dollars that Netanyahu had asked Trump for.

Its also suspicious that China is not caving into the Trump tarriffs, in light of a national election next year and the Democrats not in favor of such tarrifs.

In other words-- EVERYONE seeks to support foreign governments they favor and oppose those governments they do not.

 

[JasperL]

Dude, at the very most we and the rest of the world have to deal with a given president for 8 years. As long as that president doesn't team up with congress to nullify the Constitution we'll have the opportunity to correct whatever they ****ed up. Don't panic.

This was your comment: "It is truly fascinating how the media brings absolutely everything back around to an attack on Trump. The level of propaganda is something I never figured I'd witness in America."

The media attacked Trump because he put his considerable weight on this decision, dishonestly attacked sitting members of Congress, and your response is to gaslight us and demand we and the press ignore what Trump does in the most public way possible. FAKE NEWS!!!

Get over the media. They're not doing a damn thing different with Trump than they did with any other President of the last 40 years or more. But you guys have to whine and cry when the media criticize Trump for doing dumb **** on Twitter, acting with the dignity and with respect to the office of the President of the United states as a stupid, childish drunk at the end of a bar. Apparently we're all supposed to pretend that it's normal for a President to behave that way.

If you want to understand why the media attack Trump, look to Trump.

 

[AProudLefty]

[h=1]Israel considers banning entry to outspoken US congresswomen[/h]Israel official: Netanyahu weighing ban on Omar, Tlaib visit - ABC News
Israel's prime minister and other top officials were meeting on Thursday to reevaluate the decision to allow two Democratic congresswomen who support the Palestinian-led boycott movement to enter the country next week.

An Israeli official said they were meeting about an upcoming visit by Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. The newly-elected Muslim members of Congress are outspoken critics of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Tlaib's family immigrated to the United States from the West Bank.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, said "there is a possibility that Israel will not allow the visit in its current proposed format."

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It's official. Based on Trump's recommendation, Israel has banned both Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. Wave 'bye bye' to your Constitutional freedoms people, they just got thrown out the window and are no longer part of the Constitution. Freedom of speech will come at a heavy price from now on.

The irony is that Israel welcomed Steve King, a Nazi sympathizer, with open arms. :lamo

 

[RealityNow]

The House should investigate every penny of the Aid Budget to Israel... and look at the areas of funds we give them and put a hold on non essential funds and make them submit a full accounting of what they spend American funds upon, and use an American House Designated Forensic Accountant to Check and Verify any information related to expenditure for the past 20 yrs. , then we can get them off this Right Wing Madness, Territorial Encroachments and pandering to Trump's Ignorance,by meddling in how our Congress function.

I think Israel has a right to exist... but I absolutely DO NOT support their "continued encroachments", and I do not like their Apartheid attitude toward the people of that region !!!!


MINIMIZE the AMOUNT OF U.S. Money Flow to Israel, and they will oust this Right Wing Nut themselves!!!!... and put in a person who respect diplomacy in the region and they will find a way to make peace and stop the encroachments.


If they stop spending their money "encroaching" they can fund their own Military needs... they encroach because we pay for them to do so. that's why the U.S. won't demand Peace in the Area because Right Wingers Love the idea of Israel encroaching upon and against the people of the region.

 

[JasperL]

Israel apparently has a law which allows the barring of those in the BDS movement from entering the country. Evidently, the desire by these two supporters to enter Israel was the source of political strife within the Israeli government-- enforcing BDS law vs. upsetting an American ally. It sounds like Trump got wind of that and just said there would be no issue from Washington with however they decided.

No, that's not what happened and it's not a surprise who is the first person to like this comment. Read his TWEET. I'll quote it.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit. They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Minnesota and Michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. They are a disgrace!"

It would show great weakness if Israel allowed Rep. Omar and Rep.Tlaib to visit. They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. Minnesota and Michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. They are a disgrace!

What he did was all but demand that Israel not let them in. He called sitting members of Congress a "disgrace" and said they hate Israel and "all Jewish people." I can't believe the level of gaslighting going on here. You cannot possibly read the words of POTUS and put it in terms like "there would be no issue from Washington with however they decided."

 

[ChezC3]

I am curious.. can you provide any evidence that these two women want the destruction of Israel?

OOOOH, one of those....what kinda evidence you looking for, Hunter?

 

[AProudLefty]

OOOOH, one of those....what kinda evidence you looking for, Hunter?

Something like, say, uh, "I hate Israel and it should be wiped off the surface of the Earth"?

 

[MSgt]

This is just a clear sign that Israel, like the rest, has recognized that we no longer recognize ourselves as America, but either Democrat (Liberal) or Republican (Conservative), with the rest of us (actual America) not mattering.

Congratulations, you partisan voter pieces of ****. <------Really? Is this censorship because it's socially considered a bad word or is it because it's too politically charged in America? Where are you Captain Courtesy?! What's the French word for ****? Oh yeah, merde. <---Not censored.

 

[JasperL]

Is there anyone else you're like us to cozy up with as an ally in the region? The US has always been a rather staunch advocate for independence and when we have a friendly nation that has been under attack by their neighbors and other nations in the region for the past 60 years we kind of have a moral obligation to support them.

No one is arguing against the support, just the very stupid idea that those decades of support, $100s of billions in direct and indirect aid, do not buy us an enormous amount of influence over their foreign policy decisions. It's just obvious that we are the big dog in that relationship and can easily influence decisions like this one without any real effort.

 

[HumblePi]

Nonsense. It is it not a punishment to deny the unlawful entry of a foreign citizen to any country; Omar and Talib are foreign enemies of the State of Israel and under the anti-BDS law of 2017 should be banned. Their itinerary says it all; they are not their for family visits or good faith learning - they are there to undermine Israeli policy and promote their anti-Israel cause.

The reason for Trump’s wrath wasn’t his concern for Israel’s good name. Trump couldn’t care less about the anti-Israel boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, which both Omar and Tlaib have endorsed. Trump doesn’t mind if Israel builds settlements, annexes territories, attacks enemies, discriminates against minorities or degrades its own democracy. As in any and all other issues under the sun, including U.S. foreign policy, the only thing that Trump cares about is Trump himself. Allowing Tlaib and Omar to travel to Israel would disrupt his efforts to exploit the radical positions of Omar and Tlaib in order to drive a wedge between Jewish voters and donors and the Democratic Party, and to paint it as falling under their influence.

Israel, therefore, was about to cross a red line: It would have interfered in Trump’s gut-level yet carefully orchestrated incitement campaign against minorities in general and the dark-skinned among them in particular — which he believes will pave his way back to the White House in 2020.

In Trump’s book, there is no greater sin.

Nixing Tlaib and Omar visit, Netanyahu harms Israel to assuage Trump’s ego - Israel News - Haaretz.com

 

[Mongidig]

The House should investigate every penny of the Aid Budget to Israel... and look at the areas of funds we give them and put a hold on non essential funds and make them submit a full accounting of what they spend American funds upon, and use an American House Designated Forensic Accountant to Check and Verify any information related to expenditure for the past 20 yrs. , then we can get them off this Right Wing Madness, Territorial Encroachments and pandering to Trump's Ignorance,by meddling in how our Congress function.

I think Israel has a right to exist... but I absolutely DO NOT support their "continued encroachments", and I do not like their Apartheid attitude toward the people of that region !!!!


MINIMIZE the AMOUNT OF U.S. Money Flow to Israel, and they will oust this Right Wing Nut themselves!!!!... and put in a person who respect diplomacy in the region and they will find a way to make peace and stop the encroachments.


If they stop spending their money "encroaching" they can fund their own Military needs... they encroach because we pay for them to do so. that's why the U.S. won't demand Peace in the Area because Right Wingers Love the idea of Israel encroaching upon and against the people of the region.

Make peace with the terrorists! Your a genius!

 

[Mongidig]

The reason for Trump’s wrath wasn’t his concern for Israel’s good name. Trump couldn’t care less about the anti-Israel boycott, divestment and sanctions movement, which both Omar and Tlaib have endorsed. Trump doesn’t mind if Israel builds settlements, annexes territories, attacks enemies, discriminates against minorities or degrades its own democracy. As in any and all other issues under the sun, including U.S. foreign policy, the only thing that Trump cares about is Trump himself. Allowing Tlaib and Omar to travel to Israel would disrupt his efforts to exploit the radical positions of Omar and Tlaib in order to drive a wedge between Jewish voters and donors and the Democratic Party, and to paint it as falling under their influence.

Israel, therefore, was about to cross a red line: It would have interfered in Trump’s gut-level yet carefully orchestrated incitement campaign against minorities in general and the dark-skinned among them in particular — which he believes will pave his way back to the White House in 2020.

In Trump’s book, there is no greater sin.

Nixing Tlaib and Omar visit, Netanyahu harms Israel to assuage Trump’s ego - Israel News - Haaretz.com

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You do realize that Mossad keeps track of all the anti semites.

 

[ChezC3]

Something like, say, uh, "I hate Israel and it should be wiped off the surface of the Earth"?

Well, that's a childlike wish....you want that talk to the imams, the hezballahs, the hamas...

However, showing that they are supporting efforts to establish a one state solution with an unchecked right of return completely destroying the State of Israel as it exists is a pretty grown up (albeit sneaky and underhanded) example of them getting their point across...that and you know, using language that condones and celebrates terrorist attacks...

 

[AProudLefty]

Well, that's a childlike wish....you want that talk to the imams, the hezballahs, the hamas...

However, showing that they are supporting efforts to establish a one state solution with an unchecked right of return completely destroying the State of Israel as it exists is a pretty grown up (albeit sneaky and underhanded) example of them getting their point across...that and you know, using language that condones and celebrates terrorist attacks...

Ah that's what I thought. No evidence at all. Knew it was too much to ask.

 

[ChezC3]

Ah that's what I thought. No evidence at all. Knew it was too much to ask.

Ah, that's what I thought, bold declarations based off a reality shared by none...

 

[Anthony60]

[h=1]Israel considers banning entry to outspoken US congresswomen[/h]Israel official: Netanyahu weighing ban on Omar, Tlaib visit - ABC News
Israel's prime minister and other top officials were meeting on Thursday to reevaluate the decision to allow two Democratic congresswomen who support the Palestinian-led boycott movement to enter the country next week.

An Israeli official said they were meeting about an upcoming visit by Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan. The newly-elected Muslim members of Congress are outspoken critics of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Tlaib's family immigrated to the United States from the West Bank.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, said "there is a possibility that Israel will not allow the visit in its current proposed format."

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It's official. Based on Trump's recommendation, Israel has banned both Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. Wave 'bye bye' to your Constitutional freedoms people, they just got thrown out the window and are no longer part of the Constitution. Freedom of speech will come at a heavy price from now on.

Our Constitution also governs Israel?

 

[MSgt]

No one is arguing against the support, just the very stupid idea that those decades of support, $100s of billions in direct and indirect aid, do not buy us an enormous amount of influence over their foreign policy decisions. It's just obvious that we are the big dog in that relationship and can easily influence decisions like this one without any real effort.

It seems obvious, yet ideology has always mattered more than a dollar. The Israeli lobby is one of the most powerful in Washington.

I mean, people either prefer the truth of our practical reality, or they prefer the ideology of their deist fantasy.