[W:134]F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

[joko104]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

Trump Fanboys are hysterical because to them "Latino" means rapists and murderers.

No, to most Republicans illegal means illegal. To most Democrats illegal means support and protect the criminals.

 

[joko104]

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Indeed.

Camo Commandos and their local uniform surplus store supply train. Along with their rifle caliber IQ.

Yet it's unthinkable that leftie groups would be organized and trained as paramiltaries to kill Trump, Hannity and Koch Bros. That wouldn't last a day nor should it, same as the nutcase militias need to be cleared out.

You mean like the Sander's supporter leftie who open fired on Republican Congressmen at a ball park? Or the Clinton supporter 1st generation Muslim immigrant's son who shot over 100 people at an LGTB nightclub? Or was it the Muslim who open fired on a military base? Or was it the one who open fired on a military recruiting center... or was it the leftwinger who set off bombs in Boston?

 

[joko104]

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We need to remember that the Obama FBI - operating under Obama's new rules about Muslims - allowed an Iranian Muslim Cleric to travel to Orlando - with his announcing on YouTube videos and this reported literally on American news television - that he was going to tell Muslims to murder homosexuals. Obama's team saw no problem with him having a VISA.

A Muslim, 1st generation son of Muslim immigrants, told fellow workers he was going to shoot a lot of people. They reported this to Obama's FBI. Obama's FBI under his new rules about Muslims, said that's ok. Then when a gun shop called claiming a guy wanted to buy lots of ammo for a rifle called Obama's people, they told the gun shop to sell him the ammo and guns. This was after that Muslim attended the meeting of the Iranian Muslim Cleric who told him that Allah has sentenced homosexuals to death.

Thus, Obama's people may as well have ordered the slaughter.

Then, with local police had the Muslim terrorist - who claimed on the phone this was retaliation for the USA's involvement in the M.E. and declaring Allah Akbar! - which would allow rescuing wounded people bleeding to death. However, the Obama FBI ordered the local police out and for nearly 2 hours allowed everyone bleeding out in the club to die - because their only concern was saving the Muslim. Didn't matter how many of the victims died.

When it was over, the Obama administration declared the shooter was lying and that his motive was not radical Islam. Rather, they claimed he did it because he was a homosexual - and thus homosexuality caused him to become a mass murderer.

If Clinton had won and the Militia was planning to kill Republicans, the FBI would have been ordered to stand down, just like the FBI was ordered under Obama to stand down to a plot to kill LGTBs so transparent it was literally announced on YouTube and local television news before that attack happened. The FBI was aware of this and was ok with it.

Predictably, the MSM and press carried the narrative that homosexuality caused the mass murder on behalf of President Obama.

 

[Saladin4]

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We need to remember that the Obama FBI - operating under Obama's new rules about Muslims - allowed an Iranian Muslim Cleric to travel to Orlando - with his announcing on YouTube videos and this reported literally on American news television - that he was going to tell Muslims to murder homosexuals. Obama's team saw no problem with him having a VISA.

A Muslim, 1st generation son of Muslim immigrants, told fellow workers he was going to shoot a lot of people. They reported this to Obama's FBI. Obama's FBI under his new rules about Muslims, said that's ok. Then when a gun shop called claiming a guy wanted to buy lots of ammo for a rifle called Obama's people, they told the gun shop to sell him the ammo and guns. This was after that Muslim attended the meeting of the Iranian Muslim Cleric who told him that Allah has sentenced homosexuals to death.

Thus, Obama's people may as well have ordered the slaughter.

Then, with local police had the Muslim terrorist - who claimed on the phone this was retaliation for the USA's involvement in the M.E. and declaring Allah Akbar! - which would allow rescuing wounded people bleeding to death. However, the Obama FBI ordered the local police out and for nearly 2 hours allowed everyone bleeding out in the club to die - because their only concern was saving the Muslim. Didn't matter how many of the victims died.

When it was over, the Obama administration declared the shooter was lying and that his motive was not radical Islam. Rather, they claimed he did it because he was a homosexual - and thus homosexuality caused him to become a mass murderer.

If Clinton had won and the Militia was planning to kill Republicans, the FBI would have been ordered to stand down, just like the FBI was ordered under Obama to stand down to a plot to kill LGTBs so transparent it was literally announced on YouTube and local television news before that attack happened. The FBI was aware of this and was ok with it.

Predictably, the MSM and press carried the narrative that homosexuality caused the mass murder on behalf of President Obama.

What About What About Obama...Same tired ass excuse used by Right Wingers

 

[Tangmo]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

In general, a private person is justified in using non-deadly force upon another if they reasonably believe that: (1) such other person is committing a felony, or a misdemeanor amounting to a breach of the peace; and (2) the force used is necessary to prevent further commission of the offense and to apprehend the offender. The force must be reasonable under the circumstances to restrain the individual arrested. This includes the nature of the offense and the amount of force required to overcome resistance

Thank you. For descending from the clouds with that tablet.

Armed private civilian cowboy militias roaming about in a border zone that is highly controlled by the authorities might be a disturbance to peace and order. So that probably tosses your Item #1. Your beloved militias would be operating by means contrary to the practices, presence, procedures of the military command and its troops deployed to the border who are aghast at doing any such thing, i.e., brandish weapons among the civilian presence in the zone. Militias do not complement the armed forces deployed to the zone. Militias themselves have said they consider they are doing the job the armed forces know better than to try to do and are restricted doing by laws, codes, policies and practices. Militias can't possibly do any better than the armed forces could do and are doing.


As to Item #2 a gang of grizzly armed and overweight cowboy militia descending on a number of unarmed civilians in the controlled border zone just might constitute a wholly unreasonable application of force or the threat of deadly force. The unarmed civilians include women and children and by many accounts are constituted primarily of women and children.


I also think of the movie Red Dawn which is cited in the threads from time to time, if not at the moment save for yours truly. Y'know, civilian militias versus invading Russian forces here in the USA. The move is a movie but it does come to mind occasionally which is fine. It's just that in the movie the civilian militias fought the Russian armed forces invaders of the USA here in the USA. The movie was made in the 1980s so that was then. Given the Putin-Trump Fanboys many of whom have made clear they'd rather be Russian than Democrats, it could seem today's militias would more likely join the invading Russian forces than to fight 'em. That's if the movie were to be made in the present time, in the present USA and in the extant circumstances. Yes militias -- or some or many of 'em -- fighting against USA armed forces repelling the Russian invasion. Militias fighting with the invading Russian armed forces aggressors in the homeland. That would be, specifically, the 5th Army of US Northern Command which has the defense of the continental US and elements of which are deployed to the border. Jus sayin.

 

[Tangmo]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

You mean like the Sander's supporter leftie who open fired on Republican Congressmen at a ball park? Or the Clinton supporter 1st generation Muslim immigrant's son who shot over 100 people at an LGTB nightclub? Or was it the Muslim who open fired on a military base? Or was it the one who open fired on a military recruiting center... or was it the leftwinger who set off bombs in Boston?

The post is all wet.

It talks about nutcase individuals rather than the nutcase organized militia groups I referenced in my post. Which makes your post a random blurb.

The thread and topic are about FBI being informed New Mexico civilian cowboy militia(s) were training for the specific purpose of assassinating Obama, Clinton, Soros. No one on the Right here seems moved by this to raise an objection to any such possibility or to encourage FBI to get to the bottom of it. The Armband Right around here are rather blase' about it actually.

My post said to consider the reaction and response if lefties were to organize into some semblance of militia groups for the expressed purpose to assassinate Trump, Hannity, Kock Bros. OMG the response by the Putin-Trump Fanboys would be a huge and thunderous commotion. Rightwing militia groups would probably go wipe 'em out over there. You guys would give your militia heroes a parade and medals. A year's free supply of grits.

 

[Tangmo]

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So basically you can't manbun up what they are seeking asylum from. This tells me you are ignorant of our laws on asylum.

When I tell you something you'll know about it. You won't have to make it up to suit the needs of a bruised ego.

The asylum stuff from A to Z has been in the news for a couple of years now at the least. Yet you are demanding I state to you and you alone the totality of the asylum laws, affected people, rationale, reasons, purposes and implications etc. You are in fact wasting my time in your assinine sic masturbation. Your trying to raise this issue is a flop.

 

[AlphaOmega]

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When I tell you something you'll know about it. You won't have to make it up to suit the needs of a bruised ego.

The asylum stuff from A to Z has been in the news for a couple of years now at the least. Yet you are demanding I state to you and you alone the totality of the asylum laws, affected people, rationale, reasons, purposes and implications etc. You are in fact wasting my time in your assinine sic masturbation. Your trying to raise this issue is a flop.

If the asylum issue has been in the news for years then why are you having such a difficult time articulating what exactly they are seeking asylum from. We have heard thus far rapists and murderers which just shows how ignorant those on the left are on the subject matter.

 

[Gina]

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Moderator's Warning:

Okey doke. The discussion is veering all over the place. Y'all need to refocus on the topic, in the news story: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton Knock off the personal comments and trolling or there will be thread bans, at the least. If you want to discuss the militas, to the exclusion of the news story, find a thread to do that in or start one.

 

[Tangmo]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

Show me in New Mexico's laws where it says a citizen arrest can only be performed by a non-felon or that the citizen doing the arresting must be armed.

If you can't, well...your comment irrelevant in regards to a citizen arrest.

Now, for sure, the guy is in trouble for possessing firearms and I'm not defending him in any way for firearms violations. But there is no indication this has anything to do with the citizen arrest of illegal aliens in New Mexico.

Show me where I said a bottom of the barrel nutcase civilian cowboy militia convicted felon rightwinger couldn't make a citizen's arrest.

And read my comment again thx.

Then kindly get back to me if you would. I do after all respect your right to vouch for these guys rights under the laws and strictly speaking.

I've pointed out already btw the only obvious connection that exists between Hopkins arrest and his arrest of asylum seekers in the USA from neighboring countries. The connection being the guy should have stayed home in his lawlessness instead of exposing himself to the law. His high profile in making the citizens arrest resulted in his being arrested by FBI for felony violations of weapons laws.

So I just wanted to be clear that this guy whose rights are of primary concern to you is your personal case, he is not my case to present. You've said several times you're not defending him so you wouldn't need to repeat that yet again thx. I dunno anyone who's defending Hopkins on the weapons violations who Hopkins isn't paying to defend him, such as lawyers and the like. Hopkins violating the weapons laws is an open and shut case, he being in violation of parole and all that. Your not defending Hopkins weapons violation of parole makes it unanimous thx and congrats on your wisdom and judgement plus your own respect of the laws. Still it is a no brainer ain't it.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

Show me where I said a bottom of the barrel nutcase civilian cowboy militia convicted felon rightwinger couldn't make a citizen's arrest.

And read my comment again thx.

Then kindly get back to me if you would. I do after all respect your right to vouch for these guys rights under the laws and strictly speaking.

I've pointed out already btw the only obvious connection that exists between Hopkins arrest and his arrest of asylum seekers in the USA from neighboring countries. The connection being the guy should have stayed home in his lawlessness instead of exposing himself to the law. His high profile in making the citizens arrest resulted in his being arrested by FBI for felony violations of weapons laws.

So I just wanted to be clear that this guy whose rights are of primary concern to you is your personal case, he is not my case to present. You've said several times you're not defending him so you wouldn't need to repeat that yet again thx. I dunno anyone who's defending Hopkins on the weapons violations who Hopkins isn't paying to defend him, such as lawyers and the like. Hopkins violating the weapons laws is an open and shut case, he being in violation of parole and all that. Your not defending Hopkins weapons violation of parole makes it unanimous thx and congrats on your wisdom and judgement plus your own respect of the laws. Still it is a no brainer ain't it.

LOL!!

You should have stuck with this: [W:134]F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton At least that was just a nonsensical deflection away from what I said. Now you are absolutely making **** up about me.

You are dismissed.

 

[Tangmo]

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No, to most Republicans illegal means illegal. To most Democrats illegal means support and protect the criminals.

LOL!!

You should have stuck with this: [W:134]F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton At least that was just a nonsensical deflection away from what I said. Now you are absolutely making **** up about me.

You are dismissed.

Too many dismissals of posters and not enough discussion is what I'm seeing here.

I'd encourage the latter myself.

That's not only me either. Getting back on topic is encouraging however. Let's build on that.

For instance, I see no objection much less outrage that militias train to assassinate someone, anyone, in the government or out of it. In this instance it would be Obama, Clinton, Soros. There's no rightwing objection to this outrageous extralegal stuff by the rightwing militias named in the piece. And who knows how many rightwing militias would also train if they thought they might get a way with it.

Trump is meanwhile strangely silent on the militia thingy. Trump for instance fails to come to the defense of a former Potus and a former First Lady who is a former SecState and major party nominee for the office of Potus. It's anyway sort of the reverse of Russia where presidents assassinate you.

 

[The Mark]

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I suspect border patrol seen at the edge of one video (more?) are about to kick them out of the area. If border patrol said, "good job, now head over there", that would be included in the video.

Thus my desire to see this video evidence/documentation, before I believe it.

 

[Herkamer63]

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I'm calling fake news on this one. First off, it's the New York Times, and it's full of liars and partisans. Second, all the guy had been doing was catching illegals. No reports of abuse nor killings. Lastly, none of this was verified. It's all word of mouth. The only thing that's in stone is the guy was arrested by the FBI and catching illegals at the border. Doesn't seem like the type to want to kill the Clintons and the Obamas, nor was there letters or other witnesses to say he wanted to. So until this can be confirmed, this belongs in the Conspiracy Theory Section. Mr/Mrs Moderator, get this thread removed from here to the CT section ASAP. Thank You!

 

[Tangmo]

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The guy's in violation of parole in Oregon and now he's in violation of parole in Texas. He showed up in federal court the other day for weapons possession violations of parole. Police in his hometown found his house loaded up with weapons. The guy's a criminal and a nutcase who needs an extended period as a recipient of correctional services. He seems instead to have a lot of friends and supporters in these parts.

 

[The Mark]

Re: F.B.I. Was Told That Militia in New Mexico Planned to Kill Obama and Clinton

I'm calling fake news on this one. First off, it's the New York Times, and it's full of liars and partisans. Second, all the guy had been doing was catching illegals. No reports of abuse nor killings. Lastly, none of this was verified. It's all word of mouth. The only thing that's in stone is the guy was arrested by the FBI and catching illegals at the border. Doesn't seem like the type to want to kill the Clintons and the Obamas, nor was there letters or other witnesses to say he wanted to. So until this can be confirmed, this belongs in the Conspiracy Theory Section. Mr/Mrs Moderator, get this thread removed from here to the CT section ASAP. Thank You!

It's illegal for him to have been "catching illegals" because neither he nor anyone in his group is an officer of the law.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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Theres nothing illegal about watching the border.

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Playing dumb now, are you? You know full well that the story isn't about "some people JUST watching the border". This country has every right to know who is coming across our borders, but by the same token, we also have every right to know who is "volunteering" to help the professionals, if they're going to attempt to "act under color of authority".

The same common sense that says it's dangerous to let a convicted registered sex offender open a daycare center says it's dangerous to let nameless felons and and other unqualified/disqualified persons patrol our border on federally and state owned land.
These people can do as they see fit on private property, with the permission of the property owners, but if they're on federal or state owned land, we the people have the right to know who they are and what their business is.
And ultimately, the government gets the say-so, not these militia morons.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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Pretending to be law enforcement, felons with guns, illegal searches.....For starters...These assholes need to disband or be arrested

If they're operating on private property, they can do whatever the property owner permits them to do.
They're functioning as private security for private individuals.

But they weren't on private property, or it wouldn't even be in the news.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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Not so fast there slick.

Arrest by a citizen felon who's violating even more laws, specifically, firearms laws.

Your colonel-general Hopkins or whatever he calls himself is in quite the fix. He's head of a volunteer militia but he can't by law possess or own firearms. The reason he can't is that he's a convicted felon. So as leader of the law abiding militia that defends the laws and the Constitution the convicted felon Hopkins can't possess a firearm unless he breaks the law. Again. A felony violation...again. That's what he did -- again -- and its why he got busted by FBI.

You could get Hopkins off the hook though by amending the Second Amendment to allow convicted felons in a militia to own firearms. Especially if its so the convicted felon just arrested again for firearms violations wants to protect and enforce the laws and the Constitution. Trouble is that dog don't hunt either.

I guess all that "Conster-tew-shuning" is becoming a little bit inconvenient for the Constitutional Con-tard Trump Party, so they probably want to use a different constitution, a brand new one written on the back of a napkin by nazi felons.

Yeah, that's probably it.

 

[3leftsdoo]

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Thank you for sharing that. I do understand that some voted for criminal Trump as an alternative to criminal Hillary. IMHO, there was no real choice. So one criminal was defeated in 2016. That leaves one criminal in office, and after what you posted, I am surprised that you are still defending him.

We certainly have some shared views, but I'm not defending anyone.

I condemn the baseless and grotesque witch hunt against Trump, with its roots in rage over the OTHER criminal's loss, and the unwillingness of the Tattaglian Democrats to address their own staggering corruption and hypocrisy, and preference to focus on the Corleonen Republicans.

I also feel that illegal immigration is a huge problem, and one that neither party - nor their plutocrat owners - is willing to address in any meaningful fashion, hence the kinds of symptoms we see with these militias.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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Training to assassinate Obama, Clinton and Soros?

Why is a career criminal who wants to assassinate people leading a militia? Hopefully this guy will be locked up soon. We don't need yahoos pretending to be patriots.

Same reason "some people" have no problem with registered sex offenders operating a preschool, I guess.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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I'm not sure the felon arrested on gun charges claiming he works with the cops counts as a rumor.

A "felon arrested on gun charges claiming he works with the cops AND claims to talk with Trump regularly".

I said earlier that perhaps Trump will be willing to pay his legal bills ---errr COUGH COUGH SKIP OUT AND WELCH ON HIS PROMISE and someone else had a serious problem with that, LOL.

But barring that, I don't think Mr. Hopkins will be allowed to do any more arresting.
But then again, Hopkins apparently does want to assassinate Obama, so the current president might be impressed. So, to paraphrase comedian Judy Tenuta...

"IT COULD HAPPEN!"

 

[3leftsdoo]

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Its all they have...its hilarious in how pathetic it is.

It's tragic how unwilling so many so-called progressives, liberals and Democrats are to open their eyes for even an instant to see what drives their behavior.

Ignorance, hypocrisy, rage, tribalism, misandry, false perceptions of self-interest - none of it is in any way admirable, though the insufferable smugness of many would seem to indicate some heroism in their surreal self-righteousness.

Wiser types should have known what the raging Democrips had in mind for a possibly victorious pigman Trump when he said he might not recognize the results of the election if he lost - that it was a tip-off of Democrip intentions if Hitlery lost - but it's become clear enough since then.

Anyone that feels pride by association with either the Republibloods or the Democrips is someone whose higher angels would benefit from a rational assessment of said association, but such assessments are all too rare.

Instead, the benighted adherents of both criminal gangs go along to get along, their hypocrisy strong in its numbers and intensity.

And it would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic, the naming and burning of witches by witches, the black ash of our history.

 

[3leftsdoo]

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Again, show it to all of us. Because, you are not a journalist, you are not a source of information, and you are not someone we should believe.

Show us all your sources or don't make idiotic counter-arguments that you can't prove.

It's unverified.

Period.

One doesn't need to be a journalist to read and think properly.

 

[3leftsdoo]

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I think these vigilante groups have historically attracted the sociopaths of American society

Likely no more or less than any other groups, including those arbitrarily assigned under color of >valid< authority.