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[Objective Voice]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Could be that Bannon immediately cooperated with Mueller on all this. He's been awfully quiet and not discussed.
I'm wondering how this would be criminal though. It would seem that it would be the conspiracy from the Russian hacking, that these guys were part of that criminal conspiracy to stage release of the stolen emails...but none of that has been revealed so more waiting. This time, waiting on Stone to flip or go down.

It's like they say, the cover up is worse than the [not crime]. We've got person 2 in the STone indictment telling Stone he should have just been honest, and it's only Stone's lies that got him strung up on lying to investigators/congress.
Maybe Stone should have listened.

Another juicy bit is this one:
1,a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and whatotherdamaginginformationOrganization1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE there after told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization1.

Who would direct a senior Trump Campaign official and be unnamed? I won't speculate, it was just remarked on in the news this morning.

I'm not sure of the criminality of it, but it would certainly paint a clearer picture along the collusion conspiracy line. Think about it...

All along folks in Trump's campaign including Trump himself has been saying no one within his campaign colluded with Russians. Putting the Trump Tower meeting aside, he could make that claim and probably be right...at least when it comes to direct contact. But what about indirectly?

What if (the) Trump (campaign), as I've outlined above in post #71 above, used people outside the campaign to funnel information back and forth using discrete, encrypted methods, i.e., burner phones - untraceable? Roger Stone, Steve Bannon and Donald Trump, Jr certainly fit that modus operandi. So, all this does is paint the picture alittle bit more clearly. This simply adds another piece to the puzzle showing someone within the Trump campaign was working to communicate with a foreign agent to obtain dirt on Hillary Clinton. In this case, it may not have been a direct tie to the Russians, but it does show the lengths to which this campaign was willing to go to get their candidate elected. And as you point out, who directed a senior campaign official to take this action? That's the big question that needs to be answered.

 

[Mach]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

This isn't a debate forum this is a lynching

Stop saying things that get your arguments lynched.
Simple isn't it.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

You keep stating it's "hatred", and perhaps for some it is but it isn't for me. I don't hate anyone; let alone someone I don't know like Trump. That I disagree with his policies, ideas, and how he handles himself doesn't mean I hate him. In the posts that have addressed specific policy issues with which I didn't agree I stated the reasons why. The flaw in your position is that results are the only thing that matter; which is surprising coming from someone who came from a corporate environment. Results do matter, but how a leader achieves them also impacts the organization. I've worked with leaders who didn't care about their team and pushed people too hard; instilling no sense of loyalty. Results were obtained, but at the cost of high turnover and toxic work environment.

What's been clear is that you are assuming everyone should have your particular view on a purely results based standard. This ignores all of the other factors that comprise being a top level leader. If only the state of the economy mattered, then Trump should be soaring high, but clearly there are other factors that affect how people determine what success looks like at the presidential level. That you continue to ignore this is odd, because Trump himself has had multiple rallies throughout his presidency to spread his rhetoric to his supporters so its clearly important to him as well.

The other error in your contention is that I only think about what directly affects me. As a citizen of a country as large as this, I like to think of how policies affect not only me but others as well. Again, this thread is about a specific topic so I'm not going to derail it with a list of topics I've already discussed in other threads.

Look would love to debate this topic with you but this isn't the thread to do that. Would love to hear from anyone on that new thread topic to explain what Trump policies have hurt them, their family, or the country? Seems that most people ignore basic civics and even the reality that their state has a government and yours that is at complete odds with anything Trump has done including supporting sanctuary cities and violations of immigration policies. You also have a state EPA that is one of the toughest in the country and yet your cities lead the nation in poverty so what I contend is that you don't have all the facts and it isn't Trump policies you are against but rather Trump in general as well as lack of basic civics understanding not knowing what Trump can legally and illegally do. For example he is blamed for the deficit without a budget, how does any President spend money without a budget and spending authority? You want to blame Trump do so by giving him the resources to do that. the wall is another example

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

You're a broken record with this point, and as I've already stated, your myopic view. This has nothing to do with the thread, but instead just your usual ranting against those who don't agree with you.

Those that disagree with me do so out of emotion without the data to support it. Data is facts and facts win debates and court cases not emotional opinions. When proven wrong I admit it, when proven wrong the left ignores it.

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Keep drumming up that leftwing hatred and promotion of impeachment charges against Trump, then what? You want to get rid of Trump and replace him with Pence? Maybe then you will stop the 24/7 Trump bashing and actually recognize the incredible economic results generated over the past two years instead of ignoring them like you are doing now. Hatred has a blinding influence on far too many and gives people the ability to divert from the issues that are truly important, economic and national security.

Doubt seriously any of you have thought beyond the replacement of Trump as you are all 24/7 anti Trump zealots with a bad case of TDS. Typical liberalism, participate in the politics of personal destruction against Reagan, GHW Bush, GW Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney and now Donald Trump only to finally recognize their contributions when out of office. Sad that so many people like you and others here have so much hatred against an individual who has done nothing to harm you, your family, or the country. Charges, rumors, speculation will never trump the actual foundation upon which our legal system was built, innocent until proven guilty

Come, no, Conservative. Surely you don't think you're the smartest guy in the room believing that no one has thought this through? Of course, people have considered what the Trump Administration would be like with Pence at the helm. It's scary to think of a religious zealot running the show, but here's the thing...Pence would have to face being elected outright and the people wouldn't vote for him IF his former boss is impeached and removed from office. Why would you vote for someone who basically stood on the sidelines to corruption and lies? In the meantime, while Pence is serving out Trump's remaining term should he face impeachment and be removed, Pence would be nullified. He's be a lame-duck President. No one would follow him.

As to the rest of your rant, cry me a river.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

We will, and thanks for permission, not that we needed it from the likes of you, but thanks.




So you're admitting that you see Pence as a sort of "insurance policy" or....what exactly?
What is Mike Pence to you?

I'll tell you what he is to me: In the wake of a mass exodus and the biggest corruption juggernaut in American political history, and quite possibly with Trump in an orange jumpsuit, Mike Pence is zero, BUPKUS, a placeholder running out the clock till 2020, presiding over a split legislature who will have already been reduced to zero tolerance for any more bull****.

And if there's any dirt on the guy, out he goes, too, and then welcome to the White House, President Pelosi.

Yeah, keep making threats, empty ones. Gerald Ford wasn't even as despised as Mike Pence.

No, I see Pence as what the Constitution requires should the President be forced out of office. Seems you have never taken a civics class which is the root of your ignorance on just about every govt. issue

Sorry but you were oblivious to the corruption under the Obama Administration which doesn't give you a lot of credibility on this issue, those indictments mostly are about lying to Congress, money issues and having nothing to do with corruption or Trump but that doesn't stop you from spreading hate and your false opinions. If Trump is removed, then what? At that time will you get back to looking at actual results instead of promoting class envy, warfare, jealousy and chaos?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Come, no, Conservative. Surely you don't think you're the smartest guy in the room? Of course, people have considered what the Trump Administration would be like with Pence at the helm. It's scary to think of a religious zealot running the show, but here's the thing...Pence would have to face being elected outright and the people wouldn't vote for him IF his former boss is impeached and removed from office. Why would you vote for someone who basically stood on the sidelines to corruption and lies?

Should Trump face impeachment and is removed, Pence would be nullified. He's be a lame-duck President. No one would follow him.

What is scary is you believe you are the majority in this country which by the way was built on Christian values. Not sure what kind of country you want but apparently socialism and wealth redistribution would be part of it. Trump was elected to bring change to this country and the results justify my vote and support for him. All you have is hate rhetoric and diversion from reality with hope that we get back to someone else paying for your personal responsibility issues

 

[ElChupacabra]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Look would love to debate this topic with you but this isn't the thread to do that. Would love to hear from anyone on that new thread topic to explain what Trump policies have hurt them, their family, or the country? Seems that most people ignore basic civics and even the reality that their state has a government and yours that is at complete odds with anything Trump has done including supporting sanctuary cities and violations of immigration policies. You also have a state EPA that is one of the toughest in the country and yet your cities lead the nation in poverty so what I contend is that you don't have all the facts and it isn't Trump policies you are against but rather Trump in general as well as lack of basic civics understanding not knowing what Trump can legally and illegally do. For example he is blamed for the deficit without a budget, how does any President spend money without a budget and spending authority? You want to blame Trump do so by giving him the resources to do that. the wall is another example

Agreed.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Stop saying things that get your arguments lynched.
Simple isn't it.

Sorry but I don't see it your way for my arguments are based upon basic civics and official federal data, yours are based upon opinions, unsubstantiated charges and no filings against Trump PLUS a total lack of understanding of even the indictments made none of which have anything to do with Trump or charges of collusion

Stop making a fool of yourself and educate yourself particularly on the indictments issued

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muellers-russia-investigation-what-to-know

 

[haymarket]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

I'm not so sure about that. Bannon had his hands in alot of things during his time with the Trump campaign and during his tenure within the Trump Administration. Whatever he did - whether on his own accord or with Trump's permission - is still fair game, IMO. You can draw a line that leads from Steve Bannon to the Trump campaign to Facebook and then Cambridge Analytica and it would be rather straight. So, if somewhere along that line it forks to WikiLeaks...:golf

I agree with you. I was just exchanging sardonic wise guy sarcastic quips with another poster.

 

[Mach]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

What is scary is you believe you are the majority in this country which by the way was built on Christian values.

It was built on enlightenment values, a rejection of divine rule. The exact opposite.

Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy and came to advance ideals like liberty, progress, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state

 

[Mach]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Sorry but I don't see it your way for my arguments are based upon basic civics and official federal data

Cuckoo.

yours are based upon opinions, unsubstantiated charges and no filings against Trump

My opinons are based no "no filings against Trump"?

Really, how stupid does a person have to be to write something like that?
Let's list all the things my claims are not based on.

1. What conservative had for breakfast.
2. What conservative is wearing(don't tell us!)
3. What conservative did yesterday.
4. What conservative drives when he's not posting bull****.
5. What conservative likes on his sandwiches.
6. What conservative does when he rolls out of bed.
...


Keep up the trolling.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

It was built on enlightenment values, a rejection of divine rule. The exact opposite.

The Constitution provides FREEDOM OF RELIGION not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. You want to make up your own definitions Just like PROVIDING FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE and PROMOTING DOMESTIC WELFARE, Provide and promote mean two different things

Nothing dealing with someone who appears to be in Austin or the very few blue areas of TX

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Cuckoo.



My opinons are based no "no filings against Trump"?

Really, how stupid does a person have to be to write something like that?
Let's list all the things my claims are not based on.

1. What conservative had for breakfast.
2. What conservative is wearing(don't tell us!)
3. What conservative did yesterday.
4. What conservative drives when he's not posting bull****.
5. What conservative likes on his sandwiches.
6. What conservative does when he rolls out of bed.
...


Keep up the trolling.

Find a law professor who won't tell you that in this country one is innocent until proven guilty and to prove someone guilty there has to be a charge filed. Cuckoo defines your argument and lack of logic, common sense and even the rule of law

 

[Mach]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

The Constitution provides FREEDOM OF RELIGION not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. You want to make up your own definitions Just like PROVIDING FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE and PROMOTING DOMESTIC WELFARE, Provide and promote mean two different thingsNothing dealing with someone who appears to be in Austin or the very few blue areas of TX

It's a ****ing quote from Wikipedia, yet you're claiming I made it up? Do you have no shame, or is it just such a small amount that it's undetectable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

The "Radical Enlightenment"[77][78] promoted the concept of separating church and state,[79] an idea that is often credited to English philosopher John Locke (1632–1704).[80] According to his principle of the social contract, Locke said that the government lacked authority in the realm of individual conscience, as this was something rational people could not cede to the government for it or others to control. For Locke, this created a natural right in the liberty of conscience, which he said must therefore remain protected from any government authority.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

This is collusion:



Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about future WikiLeaks releases in October 2016

Collusion with Wikileaks?

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

No, I see Pence as what the Constitution requires should the President be forced out of office. Seems you have never taken a civics class which is the root of your ignorance on just about every govt. issue

Sorry but you were oblivious to the corruption under the Obama Administration which doesn't give you a lot of credibility on this issue, those indictments mostly are about lying to Congress, money issues and having nothing to do with corruption or Trump but that doesn't stop you from spreading hate and your false opinions. If Trump is removed, then what? At that time will you get back to looking at actual results instead of promoting class envy, warfare, jealousy and chaos?

Years of republicans investigations amounted to nothing. What corruption you talking about? Oh, here comes the same dumb right wing nonsnese of bengazi, emails, uranium one. All debunked. Republicans opened investigation after investigation, and nothing zip. Oh, let me guess, the other dumb right wing response "deep state".

anyway, your trolling is really ****ty and I'm not feeding you anymore. Go wallow in your stupidity

Find a law professor who won't tell you that in this country one is innocent until proven guilty and to prove someone guilty there has to be a charge filed. Cuckoo defines your argument and lack of logic, common sense and even the rule of law

This from someone who said others are ignoring corruption of Obama administration in which there was no conviction, there weren't even any indictments?

Anyway, just more evidence this person's actions here are solely to be a bad troll

 

[Mach]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Find a law professor who won't tell you that in this country one is innocent until proven guilty and to prove someone guilty there has to be a charge filed. Cuckoo defines your argument and lack of logic, common sense and even the rule of law

Baiting. I never claimed anyone is legally not innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

It's a ****ing quote from Wikipedia, yet you're claiming I made it up? Do you have no shame, or is it just such a small amount that it's undetectable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

Never said you made it up only that context matters as does the Constitution. Do you know the difference between FREEDOM OF and FREEDOM FROM?

 

[Deuce]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

As I have pointed out, all these supposed charges against Trump and associates were done PRIOR to taking office and BEFORE The election, Watergate was after Nixon was in office but I can see how people like you with no initiative, drive, pride in one's self and incapable of creating your own individual wealth would relish a President Pelosi, one of the richest people in Congress who truly cares about you and the poor.

Yeah, colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence an American election does typically happen before said election. Why do you keep bringing this up?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Years of republicans investigations amounted to nothing. What corruption you talking about? Oh, here comes the same dumb right wing nonsnese of bengazi, emails, uranium one. All debunked. Republicans opened investigation after investigation, and nothing zip. Oh, let me guess, the other dumb right wing response "deep state".

anyway, your trolling is really ****ty and I'm not feeding you anymore. Go wallow in your stupidity



This from someone who said others are ignoring corruption of Obama administration in which there was no conviction, there weren't even any indictments?

Anyway, just more evidence this person's actions here are solely to be a bad troll

Amounted to nothing? Really? The FBI Politicized and corrupt, the IRS scandal going after Conservatives, Fast and Furious, Benghazi where Americans were killed all had more affect on the American people than your trumped up issues with Russia. You weren't swayed in your opinion so why do you believe this is even an issue that others were?

I don't troll, I kick the liberal ass with logic, common sense, and data which is why I stick around because quite frankly you and your ilk don't have a clue about basic civics, economic or even the Constitution

 

[Objective Voice]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

What is scary is you believe you are the majority in this country which by the way was built on Christian values. Not sure what kind of country you want but apparently socialism and wealth redistribution would be part of it. Trump was elected to bring change to this country and the results justify my vote and support for him. All you have is hate rhetoric and diversion from reality with hope that we get back to someone else paying for your personal responsibility issues

Whaaay, whaaay, whaaay...

Look, nobody's saying subvert the Constitution here should Trump get impeached and removed from office. That's an idea of your own making. The normal line of succession would follow and Pence would sit in the WH. All I'm saying is he'd be rendered "combat ineffective" and you know it! That's why you keep going on this little rants.

People did vote for Trump for change same as they did for Obama. Only in this case, the change was a smoke screen. Some thought they were voting to be rid of establishment Republicans masquerading as conservatives. Others thought they were voting for someone who would look after their interests and that such benefits would flow from the top down. Others thought they were voting for someone who would save them from cultural collapse. Those would be the racist and the bigots that pretty much comprise Trump's base who firmly believe Trump would "take their country back" and "make America great again" for them. How's all of that hopey-changey thing working out for ya'? Is it exactly as you'd hope it would be?

Are benefits from the top flowing to those at the bottom? (Trickle-down economics...again)

Are the RINO/non-conservative/establishment Republicans out office particularly in the Senate?

Has the country turned back the clock to that Ozzie and Harriet era or beyond many in the Republican Party hold dear (some at the party base, others among the old guard)?

If this is the kind of country you want - one lead by liars, cheats and charlatans then I want no part of it. You keep talking about things mostly from an economic standpoint. I'm talking about the concept our Founding Fathers dreamed of...that "more perfect union" not a reunion of a past we clearly left behind. So, maybe you should rethink what country you see today and desire for all of tomorrow because clearly we don't see the same thing even if we were looking out from the same window. Seems to me somebody's side of the window is dirty. :laughat:=====>:2usflag:=====>:rwbelepha

 

[Conservative]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Baiting. I never claimed anyone is legally not innocent until proven guilty.

Your ilk has already lynched Trump over an issue they don't even understand and your support without taking them on speaks volumes

 

[Fletch]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Yeah, colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence an American election does typically happen before said election. Why do you keep bringing this up?

What in this indictment shows collusion with a hostile foreign power?

 

[Deuce]

Re: Steve Bannon is the ‘high-ranking’ Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about futu

Never said you made it up only that context matters as does the Constitution. Do you know the difference between FREEDOM OF and FREEDOM FROM?

Why don’t you explain what part of the difference is relevant here?

You don’t get to shove your religion onto me via the law, deal with jt