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[W:112, 773]The Gun Show "Loophole"

TypicalRussian said:
Your evidence was wrong
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"A 2010 research review by the majority staff of the United States Congress Joint Economic Committee reported that studies have consistently found unexplained pay differences even after controlling for measurable factors that are assumed to influence earnings – suggestive of unknown/unmeasurable contributing factors of which gender discrimination may be one. Other studies have found direct evidence of discrimination – for example, more jobs went to women when the applicant's sex was unknown during the hiring process."


What part of that do you NOT get ?
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Gender pay gap in the United States - Wikipedia



Women live longer...
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So what?

That has nothing to do with explaining the pay gap.
 
Rich2018 said:
"A 2010 research review by the majority staff of the United States Congress Joint Economic Committee reported that studies have consistently found unexplained pay differences even after controlling for measurable factors that are assumed to influence earnings – suggestive of unknown/unmeasurable contributing factors of which gender discrimination may be one. Other studies have found direct evidence of discrimination – for example, more jobs went to women when the applicant's sex was unknown during the hiring process."


What part of that do you NOT get ?
US Congress report


Gender pay gap in the United States - Wikipedia





So what?

That has nothing to do with explaining the pay gap.
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Again, did you see my comic-men ask for raises more and take less vacation days AND work longer hours even when compared to the same level to a women there are variables.

It is proven that men and women are different
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

vegas giants said:
And I appreciate that. Gun registration already exists in lots of places even in the US. They tend to have low gun deaths. The same is true in first world countries all over the world. If you bought from a dealer it is already defacto registered. I am mostly looking to close the loopholes
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Everything has a loophole doesn't it? Gun shops, gun shows, private sales, online sales via FFL or not.
 
Re: The Gun Show "Loophole"

zsu2357 said:
Everything has a loophole doesn't it? Gun shops, gun shows, private sales, online sales via FFL or not.
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Yeah let's close them
 
Rich2018 said:
You own guns, you used to be able to own slaves

The connection is "ownership"
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Talk about a stretch of ownership. I bet you think everybody who was anyone (probably even peons and indentured servants to do their work) owned slaves.
 
zsu2357 said:
Talk about a stretch of ownership. I bet you think everybody who was anyone (probably even peons and indentured servants to do their work) owned slaves.
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Not really

In those days ownership of a person was no different to owning a dog or a firearm.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Again, did you see my comic-men ask for raises more and take less vacation days AND work longer hours even when compared to the same level to a women there are variables.

It is proven that men and women are different
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Working longer hours = overtime = more pay.

But you justified men getting more pay for the same job and same number of hours.

Or did I get that wrong ?
 
Rich2018 said:
What evidence do you have of this, of men and women who're doing the same job.

That's what the wage gap is, women getting paid less for doing the same job








That is sexist bigotry and you're full of it.
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I'm a manager and I can tell you first hand that women call off sick far more often than men, take more vacation time, come in on their days off to cover other shifts less often than men, volunteer for O.T. less often. More hours worked equals more money made. Less hours worked equals less money made. Period. If you are talking purely about 2 people, one man and one woman, who have the exact same job title for the same company, doing the same work, neither has more time on the job than the other, and the woman is making less.....then barring any raises the man may have been given due to better job performance then THAT is a problem. But that isn't the norm. Show me an example of that.
 
Rich2018 said:
Working longer hours = overtime = more pay.

But you justified men getting more pay for the same job and same number of hours.

Or did I get that wrong ?
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Work more hours=more pay
Take less vacation and sick days-more pay
Ask for raises more often=more pay

Men do this more than women thus, they get more money- that is the facts
 
Maidenrules29 said:
I'm a manager and I can tell you first hand that women call off sick far more often than men, take more vacation time, come in on their days off to cover other shifts less often than men, volunteer for O.T. less often. More hours worked equals more money made. Less hours worked equals less money made. Period. If you are talking purely about 2 people, one man and one woman, who have the exact same job title for the same company, doing the same work, neither has more time on the job than the other, and the woman is making less.....then barring any raises the man may have been given due to better job performance then THAT is a problem. But that isn't the norm. Show me an example of that.
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If you don't take your full allocation of vacation time, you're stupid

Unless you love your job so much it is an end in itself.


I was a supervisor and your experience is not mine.


Men are just as likely to call in sick as women and there's no difference i volunteering for OT in my experience either.

If anything I saw a difference on racial grounds

Sounds liker your company suffers from poor leadership. And my manager and director were both women.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Work more hours=more pay
Take less vacation and sick days-more pay
Ask for raises more often=more pay

Men do this more than women thus, they get more money- that is the facts
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No, they're not the facts, my current company doesn't let you carry forward any vacation hours from one year to another.
So everyone, myself included, takes every hour of vacation or we lose it.

But since you've made a positive claim, you can prove it.
 
Rich2018 said:
If you don't take your full allocation of vacation time, you're stupid

Unless you love your job so much it is an end in itself.


I was a supervisor and your experience is not mine.


Men are just as likely to call in sick as women and there's no difference i volunteering for OT in my experience either.

If anything I saw a difference on racial grounds

Sounds liker your company suffers from poor leadership. And my manager and director were both women.
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If there are companies/hiring managers who are paying men more per hour than women for the same work then that is bull**** I agree. But I dont think that is happening very much. The opposite could be true sometimes especially if the manager is a woman and playing favorites with women employees. Otherwise the "wage gap" is purely a figment of women not working as many total hours as men.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, they're not the facts, my current company doesn't let you carry forward any vacation hours from one year to another.
So everyone, myself included, takes every hour of vacation or we lose it.

But since you've made a positive claim, you can prove it.
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1. Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more.

Men work longer hours than women do.

Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization.


Unmarried women who don't have children actually earn more than unmarried men.


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Maidenrules29 said:
If there are companies/hiring managers who are paying men more per hour than women for the same work then that is bull**** I agree. But I dont think that is happening very much...
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Before posting, did you read any articles on the "wage gap"

My old company used to determine the annual pay raise based on their annual performance review...so some women made more than men but everyone was within a "scale"
 
TypicalRussian said:
1. Men are far more likely to choose careers that are more dangerous, so they naturally pay more...
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Maybe but the deciding factors on a professions pay scale is the available money and need of getting a job done....and the availability of applicants

So if NASA needed an astronaut to fix the space station and only one qualified person volunteered and it happened to be a woman...


Men work longer hours than women do...
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We're talking men and women doing the same job

So where your evidence ?


Even within the same career category, men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization.
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Evidence and so what, a higher stressed position who attract higher pay would it not ?


Unmarried women who don't have children actually earn more than unmarried men.
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What, despite "Men work longer hours than women do" or "men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization"


Kind of contradicted yourself there, which is it ?


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Rich2018 said:
Before posting, did you read any articles on the "wage gap"

My old company used to determine the annual pay raise based on their annual performance review...so some women made more than men but everyone was within a "scale"
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I dont understand what you mean by that.
 
Rich2018 said:
If you don't take your full allocation of vacation time, you're stupid

Unless you love your job so much it is an end in itself.


I was a supervisor and your experience is not mine.


Men are just as likely to call in sick as women and there's no difference i volunteering for OT in my experience either.

If anything I saw a difference on racial grounds

Sounds liker your company suffers from poor leadership. And my manager and director were both women.
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I've worked for many different restaurant concepts as both a server, chef and manager and it's always been the same. Women call off much more often. And I made a mistake when I said women take more "vacation time" What I should have said was women "ask for more time off". In the restaurant industry unless you are a Chef, head server, or Maitre' D you do not get paid vacation. I was referring to women who ask for unpaid time off to do whatever. It's been MY experience that women ask for this more than men, thus work less hours
 
Maidenrules29 said:
I've worked for many different restaurant concepts as both a server, chef and manager and it's always been the same. Women call off much more often. And I made a mistake when I said women take more "vacation time" What I should have said was women "ask for more time off". In the restaurant industry unless you are a Chef, head server, or Maitre' D you do not get paid vacation. I was referring to women who ask for unpaid time off to do whatever. It's been MY experience that women ask for this more than men, thus work less hours
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Perhaps in your industry that is the case.

In my experience in the UK, with union staff, the men made sure to call out sick a regular amount of time - "auxiliary vacation time" we used to call it (especially near pay days)


In the USA, my experience was that people (regardless of sex) called out sick on racial lines.
 
Rich2018 said:
Maybe but the deciding factors on a professions pay scale is the available money and need of getting a job done....and the availability of applicants

So if NASA needed an astronaut to fix the space station and only one qualified person volunteered and it happened to be a woman...




We're talking men and women doing the same job

So where your evidence ?




Evidence and so what, a higher stressed position who attract higher pay would it not ?




What, despite "Men work longer hours than women do" or "men are more likely to pursue high-stress and higher-paid areas of specialization"


Kind of contradicted yourself there, which is it ?


Business Insider
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Where is the evidence of a wage gap?
 
Rich2018 said:
Where is the evidence of a wage gap?
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Google: gender, pay gap



This was the first result:

Pay Equity & Discrimination | Institute for Women's Policy Research


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Your search is biased, people who want to disprove the wage gap type in wage gap myth, people who are pro in something type wage gap

Its like people who are pro-wall type in border wall but people who are opposed type in border wall falls, or a leftist news soruce
 
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