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[W:108]Which Trump do you agree with

Re: Which Trump do you agree with

code1211 said:
In what way do his words, actions or policies lead you to this conclusion?

As I understand it, Trump recommends removing the Feds completely from the regulation of Choice. Trump heads the Federal Government. This places the regulation squarely on the shoulders of the elected representatives in the various states.

How does Trump removing the Federal Government from the decision process entirely equate in your mind to Trump "wants the government to make the choice"?
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Trump was supported by the evangelical right despite his being the diametric opposite of what they say a Christian should be because of his stance on Roe V. Wade. Should they be successful at overturning it, that will bring the country one step closer to their ideal of the government dictating who may or may not have a legal abortion.

Actually, I misspoke about what Trump wants. He wants power, he wants the limelight, and doesn't care about pro life or pro choice. He's only taken the stance he currently has in order to garner votes, period.
 
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code1211 said:
No. I supported him because he said he would increase jobs for All Americans, promised to work for all Americans instead of segmented slivers of voters, promised to put America first and reduce insane regulatory strangulation of the economy.

As it turns out, he's doing it and there is more opportunity for All Americans and greater wealth for All Americans than ever before.

Did you vote for Hillary because you like her predictions of doom or was it the flying monkeys?
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You think the President of the United States can "increase jobs"? Guess what. He can't. Only government jobs. How sad that you voted for someone who you thought would get you a job.

I didn't vote for Hillary. Can you try to fail less?
 
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code1211 said:
I'm sorry that you are affected by Aspergers.

It seems pretty likely given the crap storm of anti-Trump lies and information that if there was an abortion performed on demand for a Trump consort, it would have gained release.

Lord knows the lying propagandists have released EVERYTHING else they could find, true or not, that they felt might hurt Trump.

Assuming that something happened and presenting no proof seems weak. As your only proof to support your assertion, you present the fact that there is no proof to support your assertion. This seems illogical to me.

I'm not really in touch with the effect the Aspergers has on logic. Does the absence of proof qualify as the presence of proof to you?
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No.

What it does is require me to pay attention to peoples behavior because I miss instinctive cues. Something to do with the neurochemical reward system. The pleasurable chemicals that encourage pro survival behaviors.

This made me seem naive to people and assholes lied to me a lot until I learned how to see what you see naturally. It requires attention and memory.

Fortunately aspergers comes with a natural aptitude for complex systems. Most find themselves some complex system and "hide" there from the confusing other humans. I focused that attention on figuring those confusing humans out instead of hiding from them and now am quite socially adept.

So what you see as illogical is actually the result of my internal processing. If you tell a story to me and then tell it differently years later alerts go off. When I see a persuasive message that leaves an important factor out (most do) I see that too.

So we see super horndog trump claiming that not getting vd was his vietnam, which must mean he wasn't using condoms then and him rawdogging a porn star while his wife recovers from.pregnancy (which means he's fertile).

So we have fertile horndog who doesn't like condoms (or is too small to keep one on, to be fair) who somehow has no illegitimate children. He could be ridiculously lucky.

Or he has paid for abortions and NDAs. And we know he has paid women off and gotten NDAs to keep his peccadilloes quiet.

Are you seeing now why my assessment system is giving high probability to trump having availed himself of abortion at some point in his 72 years of ****ing?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Good point. Trump is only just slightly worse than Hillary Clinton.
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Jesus will return to earth in the last days and we will not have to deal with sinful politicians any more.
 
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marke said:
Jesus will return to earth in the last days and we will not have to deal with sinful politicians any more.
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He won't be pleased with our choices of leaders.
 
 
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Dittohead not! said:
He won't be pleased with our choices of leaders.
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Of course He won't. Political favor promoting Satanic policies like homosexual perversion and abortion will still be abominations when He returns just like they have been for thousands of years.
 
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RaleBulgarian said:
Yeah, not loving abortion is a pretty popular opinion.:roll:
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You hate abortion. Trump hates abortion. You hate Trump because he hates abortion.

Your train of thought seems to have jumped the rails.
 
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Airyaman said:
He didn't plan to win.
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I think his plan was to win. He's a pretty competitive guy.

Like everyone else, though, he anticipated a Hillary victory.

Many people plan to achieve something and accept that their odds are slim.
 
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<alt>doxygen said:
So you maintain that the Trump campaign in no way worked with the Russians? Is that it? Try reading the Mueller report.

OR,

Maybe you should stick to the alternate reality of Fox and Breitbart.
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There was not one single indictment of any Trump associate or Trump regarding colluding with the Russians. This means there was not sound evidence to indict.

Rosenstein made it very clear that no American was involved in the actions giving rise to the indictments of 13 Russians.

What Mueller report did YOU read? Was it in the Real World or just in the Fake news?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Trump was supported by the evangelical right despite his being the diametric opposite of what they say a Christian should be because of his stance on Roe V. Wade. Should they be successful at overturning it, that will bring the country one step closer to their ideal of the government dictating who may or may not have a legal abortion.

Actually, I misspoke about what Trump wants. He wants power, he wants the limelight, and doesn't care about pro life or pro choice. He's only taken the stance he currently has in order to garner votes, period.
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When did he adopt this fleeting embrace of the position he currently holds?

Seems like he held it in 1999. Did he hold a contradictory position prior to that?

Regarding the support from the folks who want to accomplish a particular goal through politics, what choice did they have?

One candidate shares their beliefs. The other does not. Who do you feel they should back?

You seem surprised that a man who goes to the trouble and expense to run for President enjoys the limelight. Are you also surprised when the Sun rises in the morning?
 
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tres borrachos said:
You think the President of the United States can "increase jobs"? Guess what. He can't. Only government jobs. How sad that you voted for someone who you thought would get you a job.

I didn't vote for Hillary. Can you try to fail less?
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So you voted "present" in the last Presidential election? Seems like a waste, but that's your choice.

Like it or not, the conditions that exist everywhere are what creates jobs. Government influence is a bunch of those conditions from taxation to regulation to domestic tranquility to equitable treatment in courts.

Trump impacted ALL of the government influences and improved the conditions that attract or repel employers.

This is the "Magic Wand" that Obama did not know exists and that Trump has used to accelerate the current American Economic Boom during the world wide economic slow down.
 
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What if...? said:
No.

What it does is require me to pay attention to peoples behavior because I miss instinctive cues. Something to do with the neurochemical reward system. The pleasurable chemicals that encourage pro survival behaviors.

This made me seem naive to people and assholes lied to me a lot until I learned how to see what you see naturally. It requires attention and memory.

Fortunately aspergers comes with a natural aptitude for complex systems. Most find themselves some complex system and "hide" there from the confusing other humans. I focused that attention on figuring those confusing humans out instead of hiding from them and now am quite socially adept.

So what you see as illogical is actually the result of my internal processing. If you tell a story to me and then tell it differently years later alerts go off. When I see a persuasive message that leaves an important factor out (most do) I see that too.

So we see super horndog trump claiming that not getting vd was his vietnam, which must mean he wasn't using condoms then and him rawdogging a porn star while his wife recovers from.pregnancy (which means he's fertile).

So we have fertile horndog who doesn't like condoms (or is too small to keep one on, to be fair) who somehow has no illegitimate children. He could be ridiculously lucky.

Or he has paid for abortions and NDAs. And we know he has paid women off and gotten NDAs to keep his peccadilloes quiet.

Are you seeing now why my assessment system is giving high probability to trump having availed himself of abortion at some point in his 72 years of ****ing?
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What I'm reading here is that you are drawing a conclusion using the complete lack of evidence as something to indicate that there is conclusive evidence.

I accept that it's possible that this happened and also the FACT that there is no evidence to support your assertion- actually your assertions.

Why are you so anxious to embrace something this speculative for which there is absolutely NO evidence? It seems like there should be something, almost anything, that would be more important to you.
 
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code1211 said:
So you voted "present" in the last Presidential election? Seems like a waste, but that's your choice.

Like it or not, the conditions that exist everywhere are what creates jobs. Government influence is a bunch of those conditions from taxation to regulation to domestic tranquility to equitable treatment in courts.

Trump impacted ALL of the government influences and improved the conditions that attract or repel employers.

This is the "Magic Wand" that Obama did not know exists and that Trump has used to accelerate the current American Economic Boom during the world wide economic slow down.
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Many of us did vote third party. Given the choice of the two major parties in the last election, it was probably the only intelligent thing to do.
 
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code1211 said:
You hate abortion. Trump hates abortion. You hate Trump because he hates abortion.

Your train of thought seems to have jumped the rails.
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Stop making **** up (lying). I never said I hate abortion or Trump.
 
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rocket88 said:
Many of us did vote third party. Given the choice of the two major parties in the last election, it was probably the only intelligent thing to do.
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Voting third party in the US presidential elections is very similar to just staying home or handing the keys to one of the major parties.

The votes for Perrot elected Clinton. The votes for Buchanan elected Bush.
 
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code1211 said:
Voting third party in the US presidential elections is very similar to just staying home or handing the keys to one of the major parties.

The votes for Perrot elected Clinton. The votes for Buchanan elected Bush.
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Nope, since those ballots include other elective offices and voter initiatives. It may be considered more of a "none of the above" choice (since third party POTUS candidates have little chance to win), but it is not akin to "just staying home".
 
Trump is proof that even a scumbag liberal can find redemption......

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code1211 said:
When did he adopt this fleeting embrace of the position he currently holds?

Seems like he held it in 1999. Did he hold a contradictory position prior to that?

Regarding the support from the folks who want to accomplish a particular goal through politics, what choice did they have?

One candidate shares their beliefs. The other does not. Who do you feel they should back?

You seem surprised that a man who goes to the trouble and expense to run for President enjoys the limelight. Are you also surprised when the Sun rises in the morning?
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Link to Trump being pro life back in '99????

Candidate Trump would share anyone's beliefs if he thought it would help get him elected.

If evangelicals actually think Trump shares their beliefs, they've totally been conned.

Good point on enjoying the limelight. Probably all of the presidents have liked that.
 
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code1211 said:
There was not one single indictment of any Trump associate or Trump regarding colluding with the Russians. This means there was not sound evidence to indict.

Rosenstein made it very clear that no American was involved in the actions giving rise to the indictments of 13 Russians.

What Mueller report did YOU read? Was it in the Real World or just in the Fake news?
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Mueller's probe into Russia / Trump campaign indicted three Russian companies and 34 people, including eight Americans affiliated with the Trump campaign or administration.

There were more than 101 points of contact between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

16 Trump campaign officials had direct contact with a Russian government official or a Russian operative, and an additional nine campaign officials were aware of these contacts.

The Trump campaign gave campaign information (see Manafort) to the Russians.

Don Jr. met with the Russians in Trump tower expecting to receive "dirt" on HRC.

Trump continually lied about his active business involvement with "Russia".

The Trump campaign actively worked with the Russians and expected help from the Russian state.

Bottom line : Putin accepted information from the Trump campaign, but Mueller was never able to establish that Putin did anything specific directly in return. Putin's active work to get Trump elected could not be directly tied to the the Trump campaign. IOW, Putin isn't stupid, Trump and his minions are.

You feel vindicated? I don't think you went beyond Barr's memo and Fox agitprop.
 
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code1211 said:
So you voted "present" in the last Presidential election? Seems like a waste, but that's your choice.

Like it or not, the conditions that exist everywhere are what creates jobs. Government influence is a bunch of those conditions from taxation to regulation to domestic tranquility to equitable treatment in courts.

Trump impacted ALL of the government influences and improved the conditions that attract or repel employers.

This is the "Magic Wand" that Obama did not know exists and that Trump has used to accelerate the current American Economic Boom during the world wide economic slow down.
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No, I voted for Gary Johnson last election. You're still not trying hard enough not to fail.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, since those ballots include other elective offices and voter initiatives. It may be considered more of a "none of the above" choice (since third party POTUS candidates have little chance to win), but it is not akin to "just staying home".
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From that viewpoint, you are right.
 
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