Volker Full Statement

[Trump]

Indistinguishable. Just because Biden came later in the dialog does not make it less a part of the dialog. Trump sort of settled that score asking China to investigate Biden now didn't he.

Chinese government did invest $1,500,000,000 into Biden Hunter company.....Americans want to know why and Trump is looking for transparency....

You against Transparency?

Hunter is known as a successful drug addict not Wall Street investor

 

[jnug]

It sounds like you’re hedging. Are you already preparing yourself to forsake him if you don’t like something else he has to say?

As I posted earlier, Volker is in a tough spot.

"I did not see a quid pro quo. But here are all these texts about quid pro quo."

Like I said....he has a nasty needle to thread. He might just pull it off. Pompeo and Sundland....not so much.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Volker says he was not involved in the phone call between Trump and Zelenksi.
He says he only found out about the attempts to have Ukraine investigate Biden after reading the text of the phone call between Trump and Zelenski.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Do you accept Volker as a credible source?

His credibility to Trump supporters depends on whether he says something incriminating regarding Trump or not.

Trump supporters and Giuliani think Viktor Shokin, ousted corrupt prosecutor, is credible.

 

[Trump]

It sounds like you’re hedging. Are you already preparing yourself to forsake him if you don’t like something else he has to say?

It’s politics....today friend could be tomorrow’s enemy...see prior GOP presidencial candidates Romney McCain

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

As I posted earlier, Volker is in a tough spot.

"I did not see a quid pro quo. But here are all these texts about quid pro quo."

Like I said....he has a nasty needle to thread. He might just pull it off. Pompeo and Sundland....not so much.

I've never seen an administration where the president, vice president, secretary of state and attorney general were all caught up in a scandal. I'm glad Trump is cleaning up the swamp :roll:

 

[jnug]

Chinese government did invest $1,500,000,000 into Biden Hunter company.....Americans want to know why and Trump is looking for transparency....

You against Transparency?

Hunter is known as a successful drug addict not Wall Street investor

Thats not my argument. Not making any argument about China/Biden. My argument is about Trump/Ukrrain/Biden. You want to argue that just because Biden came later in the Zalinski MEMO (and I am forced to remind you that its a memo not a transcript) means that Biden was less a part of that dialog than Crowdstrike. Biden wasn't less a part of that dialog.

You are making a convenient but baseless argument.

 

[Roadvirus]

You have something to discredit him?

Volker is lying because Dems say so. Isn't that enough?

 

[Roadvirus]

Chinese government did invest $1,500,000,000 into Biden Hunter company.....Americans want to know why and Trump is looking for transparency....

You against Transparency?

Hunter is known as a successful drug addict not Wall Street investor

Dems only want transparency where Republicans are concerned. If it involves their own people...forget it!

 

[Airyaman]

Is there a point to this thread? I'm not seeing one.

 

[Cardinal]

His credibility to Trump supporters depends on whether he says something incriminating regarding Trump or not.

Trump supporters and Giuliani think Viktor Shokin, ousted corrupt prosecutor, is credible.

Did you see how fast trump threw Volker under the bus? Trump hit the eject button before I even had a chance to quote Volker.

 

[jnug]

Volker says he was not involved in the phone call between Trump and Zelenksi.
He says he only found out about the attempts to have Ukraine investigate Biden after reading the text of the phone call between Trump and Zelenski.

Already explained in an earlier post.
- Trump was working the Biden, Crowdstrike quid pro quo (bribery)
- Volker and Sondland were working the WH meeting for Zalinski quid pro quo (bribery)
- Rudy was ramroding both quid pro quos for Trump. Drunken old fool needs to go to rehab and then the ole' grampa's home

Taylor obviously knew of both of them and was equally alarmed by both. The only way for Taylor to know of the Military aid quid pro quo was to have learned it from either Sondland or Pompeo.

By the way, just asking for dirt on a political rival from a foreign government is a CRIME. Quid pro quo however is not in that particular section of the federal code. Quid pro quo or tit for tat is in the bribery part of the federal code. A separate crime. In effect, that call and the efforts particularly of Trump, Sondland, Rudy and Pompeo could end up being a twofer.

No telling how Volker comes out of this. He is peddling a bicycle hard trying ride on the top of a fence. Ever try to ride a bike on the top of a fence?

 

[Cardinal]

Is there a point to this thread? I'm not seeing one.

Volker says he wasn't privy to meetings in which aid was contingent on an investigation, therefore the phone readout that trump released to the public didn't happen.

Also, all texts by Sondland and Taylor repeating that quid pro quo likewise didn't happen.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Full Statement from U.S. Ukraine Envoy Ambassador Kurt Volker on October 3, 2019



Full Statement from U.S. Ukraine Envoy Ambassador Kurt Volker on October 3, 2019 | International Sanctions During The Ukrainian Crisis | Ukraine

Volker Testimony Directly Contradicted Democrat Impeachment Narrative

This has never been about anything authentic. It is purely to stir up a ****storm of media coverage on flawed and faulty accusations--the surrogate Democrat are all too eager and willing to cooperate fully with them in doing that--to take attention off good economic news and all the good things President Trump is accomplishing and working to accomplish. And to have something to use to blunt the final IG report and Durham reports they suspect will be coming before the election and will not bode well for either the Obama Administration or the Democrats in Congress.

 

[Trump]

Is there a point to this thread? I'm not seeing one.

because it supports Trump

 

[Cardinal]

You did yesterday. He isn't now? :lamo

You're thinking of the person who started this thread. He just threw Volker under the bus.

 

[Airyaman]

because it supports Trump

??

You made zero comments in your OP. At my former board, threads like this were deleted because they weren't discussion.

Since you are the thread creator, can you provide commentary as to what you are trying to convey with the OP?

 

[Trump]

This has never been about anything authentic. It is purely to stir up a ****storm of media coverage on flawed and faulty accusations--the surrogate Democrat are all too eager and willing to cooperate fully with them in doing that--to take attention off good economic news and all the good things President Trump is accomplishing and working to accomplish. And to have something to use to blunt the final IG report and Durham reports they suspect will be coming before the election and will not bode well for either the Obama Administration or the Democrats in Congress.

100%

Dems are pack of screaming monkeys throwing **** in air...on tilt

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Seems credible...but I thought Romney was credible at one time.:lol:

Now that we have you on the record agreeing Volker is credible...

About Biden...

Volker told lawmakers that Giuliani appeared to be getting information from unreliable sources about Shokin, Biden and Burisma, and Volker never believed there was any wrongdoing.

"I have known former Vice President Biden for 24 years, and the suggestion that he would be influenced in his duties as vice president by money for his son simply has no credibility to me," he said. "I know him as a man of integrity and dedication to our country."

About the statement Giuliani wanted Zelensky to say...

But that initial connection grew into a broader effort by Volker and other diplomats to get the Ukrainians to make a public statement about Zelensky's willingness to probe Burisma and the 2016 presidential election. Text messages that Volker shared with the House committees show State Department officials believed Trump would only agree to a meeting with Zelensky if he made those commitments publicly.

Yermak, Zelensky's aide, eventually told Volker that demand was untenable.

"I agreed – and further said that I believe it is essential that Ukraine do nothing that could be seen as interfering in 2020 elections," Volker said. "It is bad enough that accusations have been made about 2016 – it is essential that Ukraine not be involved in anything relating to 2020."

Volker says he agreed with the Ukrainians who refused to make statements that Giuliani wanted them to make because it would interfere in the 2020 election.

So Volker is confirming that Giuliana helped craft a statement they wanted the Ukrainian president to make that would interfere with the 2020 election.

 

[jnug]

And just to finish the point on China/Biden.....Hunter Biden's company got the loan...not Joe Biden. Yet Trump seems fixated on his political rival and Dem front runner for the nomination, Joe. Now we have both the Zalinsky call and Trump's WH front lawn comment that China should investigate the Bidens.

It should also now be obvious that Trump has dropped his pants in possible trade negotiations with China. Trump has literally told China they can have virtually anything they want for some good dirt on the Bidens.

 

[US&THEM]

Chinese government did invest $1,500,000,000 into Biden Hunter company.....Americans want to know why and Trump is looking for transparency....

You against Transparency?

Hunter is known as a successful drug addict not Wall Street investor

True Hunter Biden has many issues, but to pretend he was not a law school graduate and a lobbyist helps how exactly?

I agree Hunter Biden shouldn’t be on the Burisma Board, so there we have it.

I would love to hear you explain Ivanka and Jared over the last 2.5 years.

 

[Trump]

True Hunter Biden has many issues, but to pretend he was not a law school graduate and a lobbyist helps how exactly?

I agree Hunter Biden shouldn’t be on the Burisma Board, so there we have it.

I would love to hear you explain Ivanka and Jared over the last 2.5 years.

Jared and Ivanka worked the campaign and helped Trump defeat the most qualified candidate in the history of politics...they earned their positions.

 

[Airyaman]

If Volker is squeaky clean and nothing happened...why did he quit two jobs over all of this?

 

[US&THEM]

Jared and Ivanka worked the campaign and helped Trump defeat the most qualified candidate in the history of politics...they earned their positions.

That is funny, now let’s move on to what they have been doing while working for this Administration, if Hunter is a problem what would you call the profits currently being gotten by Jared?

 

[eohrnberger]

Sondland responds: "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind."
Texts Detail Top Diplomat's Concerns About Possible Trump-Ukraine Quid Pro Quo : NPR

Fair that Bill expresses a real and valid concern. I have no issues with that in the least.
However, equally valid is the clarity of Sondland response and the clarity of Trump's direction: "no quid pro quo's of any kind".

I think that pretty much sums up the the Trump administration's approach to the entire Ukraine situation, and it pretty much sinks whatever fiction, setup, or frame up of Trump and his administration the lying and conniving Democrats have attempted to orchestrate, which, in the mean time, has blow up in their faces, once again.