Volker Full Statement

[AlbqOwl]

Pure garbage, as is seen time and time again on this forum. The house of cards is collapsing. We now have proof of a quid pro quo which wasn't even needed for this whole debacle to be an impeachable offense.

The right wing is flailing. Lewandowski was visibly drunk on fox the other night. Tuckface Carlson even admits this whole thing is really bad.

You guys are ****ing delusional to continue to defend this.

Maybe you will try to answer. If trump gave one **** about corruption why is the sole comment about investigating corruption In Ukraine tied to Hillary and biden. Why not one of the many and various Ukrainians who were clearly corrupt.

Newsflash. Because trump wanted political advantages now proven by these text messages.

The sole reason you guys are ok with this is because you want to keep winning but none of you will admit that. When Republicans are caught rigging the game you simply insist the left move right in order to win elections, instead of admitting how the right rigs the vote in their favor.

Truly abject, derelict, pathetic, and disgusting.

The only evidence we have of probable quid pro quo regarding a presidential administration is Obama's mostly involving Joe Biden.

But we do want to keep winning which to us is lower taxes, more opportunity for all, more jobs, less illegal immigration, more appreciation and protection for basic American values that we hold dear, etc. etc. etc. That means we need to keep President Trump and not allow any of the current batch of Democratic hopefuls anywhere near the oval office.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Still, you've not demonstrated why it would matter, really. Just the same old rumors, gossip and innuendo, this time innuendo. Really now.

They presented Zelensky with a draft of what Giuliani wanted him to say. Zelensky refused to make the statement because he didn't want to get involved in U.S. political elections. How can you defend Trump and his goons muscling the new Ukrainian president to say what they wanted him to say to hurt Biden?

Good luck justifying that.

But that initial connection grew into a broader effort by Volker and other diplomats to get the Ukrainians to make a public statement about Zelensky's willingness to probe Burisma and the 2016 presidential election. Text messages that Volker shared with the House committees show State Department officials believed Trump would only agree to a meeting with Zelensky if he made those commitments publicly.

Yermak, Zelensky's aide, eventually told Volker that demand was untenable.

"I agreed – and further said that I believe it is essential that Ukraine do nothing that could be seen as interfering in 2020 elections," Volker said. "It is bad enough that accusations have been made about 2016 – it is essential that Ukraine not be involved in anything relating to 2020."

Kurt Volker to lawmakers: Trump said Ukraine 'tried to take me down'

 

[US&THEM]

If you follow along the text messages between these 3, you'd see this one:


Now you wouldn't suppose that Trump's direction 'No quid pro quo of any kind' might have been part of this mentioned POTUS call?

Sure, Sondland isn't from the diplomatic corp.
This would be the same diplomatic corp which has leaked negative stuff on Trump before, negative before it was debunked, which is hardly covered in the media.

Small wonder that Trump doesn't trust that diplomatic corp, with such betrayal in their past actions. Not unusual that those you've appointed would have your best interests in mind. Clearly the diplomatic corp doesn't, as most Deep State bureaucrats don't either.

Still, you've not demonstrated why it would matter, really. Just the same old rumors, gossip and innuendo, this time innuendo. Really now.

Taylor was brought in by Trump this Summer after he pulled Marie Yovanovitch, who Rudy wanted out. So you have Volker and Taylor both Trump people and you need Sondland why again? Add Rudy that is 4 people who just happened to care solely about Ukrainian corruption?

 

[eohrnberger]

They presented Zelensky with a draft of what Giuliani wanted him to say. Zelensky refused to make the statement because he didn't want to get involved in U.S. political elections. How can you defend Trump and his goons muscling the new Ukrainian president to say what they wanted him to say to hurt Biden?

Good luck justifying that.



Kurt Volker to lawmakers: Trump said Ukraine 'tried to take me down'

Justify what?
Something that didn't happen?
Something that wasn't in a public statement?
Something that was considered, thought better of, and then not agreed to, and not done?

In your cited, I agree with Volker, Ukraine should not be involved in anything relating to 2020, they weren't at the time of the exchanges telephone conversations, and aren't now.

 

[eohrnberger]

Taylor was brought in by Trump this Summer after he pulled Marie Yovanovitch, who Rudy wanted out. So you have Volker and Taylor both Trump people and you need Sondland why again? Add Rudy that is 4 people who just happened to care solely about Ukrainian corruption?

You bad mouth the boss, you can expect to be replaced. :shrug:

The president has plenary power over the executive branch, which includes foreign relations and diplomatic staffing. Not seeing a problem here. Perhaps you can creatively invent one, as the Democrats have time and again since 2016.

 

[Airyaman]

Has anyone figured out what this thread is about?

 

[US&THEM]

You bad mouth the boss, you can expect to be replaced. :shrug:

The president has plenary power over the executive branch, which includes foreign relations and diplomatic staffing. Not seeing a problem here. Perhaps you can creatively invent one, as the Democrats have time and again since 2016.

We are all watching why the Trump Organization could never be a public company. Trump would be ousted within the first 6 months.

 

[Mach]

Ivanka and Jared are helping the President who very much needs at least some people in the administration who he knows have his back and can be trusted with anything. Neither are drawing any kind of salary or per diem, nor are any of their business ventures benefitting from the arrangement. They both volunteer their time and individual expertise.

I thought Trump only hired the best and everyone wanted to work for Trump?

It's Nepotism, it's terrible. They failed security clearance and he overrode it. Jared has so many conflicts of interest with his getting loans from foreign leaders etc., its a disgrace.
Shame on anyone bitching about Biden's son who had nothing to do with government, vs Jared and his failed security clearance and profiting from being IN government thanks to pops.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I thought Trump only hired the best and everyone wanted to work for Trump?

It's Nepotism, it's terrible. They failed security clearance and he overrode it. Jared has so many conflicts of interest with his getting loans from foreign leaders etc., its a disgrace.
Shame on anyone bitching about Biden's son who had nothing to do with government, vs Jared and his failed security clearance and profiting from being IN government thanks to pops.

How is it nepotism when they are volunteering their time and not benefiting in any material way? They are not being paid nor compensated in any way for their services.

 

[Mach]

How is it nepotism when they are volunteering their time and not benefiting in any material way? They are not being paid nor compensated in any way for their services.

It's nepotism AlbqOwl, income is irrelevant to that.
They failed security clearance and yet Jared is supposedly dealing with foreign leaders and matters of national importance every day, that's a security risk.
He has no experience in most of the areas he's been "assigned" by Daddy, it's deplorable that he put his kids in the White House.

AlbqOwl, you do not believe its a benefit to serve as a senior advisor the President of the United States?
If you think Trump, Jared, and Ivanka are not profiting from their roles in government, then it's too crazy for me to respond to.

Swamp building at its finest.

 

[eohrnberger]

We are all watching why the Trump Organization could never be a public company. Trump would be ousted within the first 6 months.

In corporate America it's very similar, for very similar reasons, your guessing and projection not withstanding.

 

[jnug]

Fair that Bill expresses a real and valid concern. I have no issues with that in the least.
However, equally valid is the clarity of Sondland response and the clarity of Trump's direction: "no quid pro quo's of any kind".

I think that pretty much sums up the the Trump administration's approach to the entire Ukraine situation, and it pretty much sinks whatever fiction, setup, or frame up of Trump and his administration the lying and conniving Democrats have attempted to orchestrate, which, in the mean time, has blow up in their faces, once again.

Except that Sondland is a Trump political hack who bought his EU ambassadorship from Trump. Oh by the way, Ukraine is not a member of the EU. So what was Sondland doing there anyway? What was Rudy doing there? But you go with "blown up in their faces". See how that works out for you.

Lets see if the American people are ready to give up 250 years of representative government for what is now proven to be tin pot despot, King Donald the 1st. Remember, Donald was elected because they were fed up. You really think DonDon has scratched that itch?

 

[ashurbanipal]

It’s politics....today friend could be tomorrow’s enemy...see prior GOP presidencial candidates Romney McCain

Freudian slip? Reasonable people recognize that someone being friendly toward you doesn't make them any more or less credible, any more than someone's being an enemy means they're necessarily not telling the truth.

 

[US&THEM]

In corporate America it's very similar, for very similar reasons, your guessing and projection not withstanding.

It would go just like Patrick Byrne

This follows the company’s eyebrow-raising press release earlier this month titled “Overstock.com CEO Comments on Deep State, Withholds Further Comment,” in which Byrne said he was confirming reports by journalist Sara Carter.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Justify what?
Something that didn't happen?
Something that wasn't in a public statement?
Something that was considered, thought better of, and then not agreed to, and not done?

In your cited, I agree with Volker, Ukraine should not be involved in anything relating to 2020, they weren't at the time of the exchanges telephone conversations, and aren't now.

Justify Zelensky being given a statement to read that was written by Trump officials that included language that interfered with the 2020 election.

Are you saying that Volker is lying?

 

[Obscurity]

The only evidence we have of probable quid pro quo regarding a presidential administration is Obama's mostly involving Joe Biden.

But we do want to keep winning which to us is lower taxes, more opportunity for all, more jobs, less illegal immigration, more appreciation and protection for basic American values that we hold dear, etc. etc. etc. That means we need to keep President Trump and not allow any of the current batch of Democratic hopefuls anywhere near the oval office.

Typical nonreply.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

How is it nepotism when they are volunteering their time and not benefiting in any material way? They are not being paid nor compensated in any way for their services.

They're rich, they don't need the salary. The salary is not the issue in these high profile positions. Jared is negotiating in the Middle East and at the same time his family gets a $1.4 Billion baill out from Qatar. Qatar is the same country his father asked for a loan from but was denied. Later the U.S. agreed to a blockade of Qatar. The blockade was released and later Kushner got his loans.

This is far more obvious than anything Hillary was ever accused of. This is what happens when public officials have business conflicts. It's why he couldn't get a security clearance.

But you don't care about corruption.

 

[AlbqOwl]

It's nepotism AlbqOwl, income is irrelevant to that.
They failed security clearance and yet Jared is supposedly dealing with foreign leaders and matters of national importance every day, that's a security risk.
He has no experience in most of the areas he's been "assigned" by Daddy, it's deplorable that he put his kids in the White House.

AlbqOwl, you do not believe its a benefit to serve as a senior advisor the President of the United States?
If you think Trump, Jared, and Ivanka are not profiting from their roles in government, then it's too crazy for me to respond to.

Swamp building at its finest.

Well you have your opinion. I have mine.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Typical nonreply.

No. It is an excellent and accurate reply. Just not one that fits the hate-Trump-all-the-time talking points.

 

[Obscurity]

No. It is an excellent and accurate reply. Just not one that fits the hate-Trump-all-the-time talking points.

no reply.. you ignore my question directly and use a bunch of excuses for trumps behavior.

 

[eohrnberger]

Except that Sondland is a Trump political hack who bought his EU ambassadorship from Trump. Oh by the way, Ukraine is not a member of the EU. So what was Sondland doing there anyway? What was Rudy doing there? But you go with "blown up in their faces". See how that works out for you.

One of the other concerns expressed what the the EU wasn't doing enough, or not their 'fair share' in supporting Ukraine against the Russians invading Crimea.

Lets see if the American people are ready to give up 250 years of representative government for what is now proven to be tin pot despot, King Donald the 1st. Remember, Donald was elected because they were fed up. You really think DonDon has scratched that itch?

Blah, blah, blah.

Cite where 'representative government' has been compromised by Trump.

 

[eohrnberger]

Justify Zelensky being given a statement to read that was written by Trump officials that included language that interfered with the 2020 election.

Revised so both parties could agree to it. He wasn't simply 'given a statement to read'. That's a distortion.

Are you saying that Volker is lying?

Not at all. I posted what I posted, and it doesn't indicate that Volker is lying. Again you distort.