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Virginia governor to announce removal of Robert E. Lee statue

And by the way, I did have a question. If Confederates are traitors (as you say) and need to be hung (as you say)

What would you do with the border slave states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri that remained with the Union, but all contributed volunteers to the Confederacy?

Should we hang all them as well?

I would have been fine with just hanging the leaders …..like we did with germany. We let the soldiers go.


But davis and lee should have been hung


That is how you answer a question directly



But I refuse to allow you to answer the questions directed at you!!!! LOL
 
Lee was scrubbed out of the history books long ago. This just completed the job.

That statue must have terrified you so..

Robert E. Lee graduated from West Point with the 2nd highest scholastic record in the history of the school. The guy who still holds the highest scholastic record in the school's history was Lee's classmate.
 
Robert E. Lee graduated from West Point with the 2nd highest scholastic record in the history of the school. The guy who still holds the highest scholastic record in the school's history was Lee's classmate.

And then he became a traitor to america
 
OMG, really?

The states at that time did not transfer their sovereignty and retained the right to dissolve the compact. They didn't even have a ratified Constitution at the time. Where did you ever come up with this stuff?

There is nothing in the Constitution that allows secession that much is clear. The Confederacy even consorted with the British who planned on using the southern States for another invasion. They were traitors in every sense of the word.
 
Lee was scrubbed out of the history books long ago. This just completed the job.

That statue must have terrified you so..

Yeah, that’s a blatant lie. There are literally thousands of history books covering the civil war, even on totally unrelated subjects, which mention Robert E Lee.

But I get that to conservatives, fighting for slavery was no big deal.
 
Conservative Christians have no problem with white supremacy or fighting for slavery, but piss their pants whenever people take down statues celebrating them.

Sure. That's it. White people are just mad that blacks are tearing down civil war statues and erecting statues of MLK on every corner.:roll:
 
Sure. That's it. White people are just mad that blacks are tearing down civil war statues and erecting statues of MLK on every corner.:roll:

You really miss those statues to American traitors
 
So now you think, if you were a president and sided with the Union, putting blacks in bondage and slavery was ok because eventually you decided not to do that anymore?

I don't think so. You are learning the Liberal history revision for what they call the woke.

Every state was independent as was guaranteed in their constitution.

Every state was given the legal authority to secede from the United States of their own vote.

Both North and South had slaves. Not just the ones you want to hold up as your weapon of slavery.

The North decided they were now against slavery and told the South they would have to do the same.

They changed the rules and when Lincoln was elected, 7 Southern states seceded as was their legal right.

Because of the UNIFIED support of slavery years prior, the entire South (for the most part) was built on slavery. To eliminate the slaves would mean to crush the total economy of the South and put in ruins generations of family businesses and commerce.

The war was fought, the South surrendered, and slavery was abolished. But you want to hold the Confederates to a different standard because they weren't the ones to decide to abolish slavery?

Kind of a double standard there, don't ya think?

Yeah, blatantly false.....as is usual from you. Every state was not independent. New York couldn’t ally with Britain while Virginia allied with France. Kentucky couldn’t declare war on Ohio. And no, the right to secede was not granted to the states, as shown by the fact that it was a hotly debated topic even in the run up to the civil war. If it had been an explicitly granted right that would not have been the case.

By 1860 slavery was basically dead in the north. New Jersey was the only northern state with even a pro forma allowance of slavery, and
by 1865 that number was less than a hundred when slavery was officially destroyed across the United States.

The South seceded before Lincoln took any steps against slavery.

Nobody forced the south to base its economy on slavery, and crying about how the poor plantation owners would suffer economic ruin if they couldn’t rape and abuse other human beings is truly pathetic.

The fact that Trump supporters have no issue with fighting to protect slavery says all one really needs to know about them.
 
Sure. That's it. White people are just mad that blacks are tearing down civil war statues and erecting statues of MLK on every corner.:roll:

Hey, it’s not my fault Trump cultists are still upset over African Americans getting civil rights.
 
Bored now. Enjoy your non-victory. That scary scary statue will never make you feel uncomfortable again.

How predictably trite and meaningless. Your support and veneration of treason duly noted for the record. Sorry that it's removal triggered you so harshly.
 
Yeah, blatantly false.....as is usual from you. Every state was not independent. New York couldn’t ally with Britain while Virginia allied with France. Kentucky couldn’t declare war on Ohio. And no, the right to secede was not granted to the states, as shown by the fact that it was a hotly debated topic even in the run up to the civil war. If it had been an explicitly granted right that would not have been the case.

By 1860 slavery was basically dead in the north. New Jersey was the only northern state with even a pro forma allowance of slavery, and
by 1865 that number was less than a hundred when slavery was officially destroyed across the United States.

The South seceded before Lincoln took any steps against slavery.

Nobody forced the south to base its economy on slavery, and crying about how the poor plantation owners would suffer economic ruin if they couldn’t rape and abuse other human beings is truly pathetic.

The fact that Trump supporters have no issue with fighting to protect slavery says all one really needs to know about them.

Seems like the term 'double standard' is confusing for some people.
 
Let's stop this American carnage.

 
But please continue with this narrative about how everyone is hiding or being taught something other than what the civil war was fought over?

It was fought over slavery. Normal people know that.
 
Good, most of the traitors statues were put up more then 40 years after the Souths whipping and the start of Jim crow laws

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Virginia governor to announce removal of Robert E. Lee statue from Richmond as city reckons with Confederate monuments - CNNPolitics

Absolutely....

The one part that I think is a legit shame is that really lee , Davis , Forrest and such do not really deserve all the blame they get..

See the fire eaters who propagandized the south into secession. All got cut out of the founding of the confederacy..

Probably because of their rabble rousing.. that left lee, Davis and others who wanted no part of secession holding the bag..

So sadly all the names we know and demonize were reluctant traitors who regretted it for the rest of their lives.

That still makes them traitors..

That still makes it crazy to put protagonist statues in the place they betrayed...

But worth noting.... all propaganda has a kernel of truth.


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Yeah, blatantly false.....as is usual from you. Every state was not independent. New York couldn’t ally with Britain while Virginia allied with France. Kentucky couldn’t declare war on Ohio.

Nobody said they could. You just made that up

And no, the right to secede was not granted to the states, as shown by the fact that it was a hotly debated topic even in the run up to the civil war. If it had been an explicitly granted right that would not have been the case.

According to James Madison, Any federal republic by its very nature invited challenge to central control. He sought at the convention a clause that would prohibit secession from the proposed union once the states had ratified the Constitution. Wonder why.

The South seceded before Lincoln took any steps against slavery.

They threatened to secede if republicans won because the debate was over. Lincoln would move to end slavery.

Nobody forced the south to base its economy on slavery, and crying about how the poor plantation owners would suffer economic ruin if they couldn’t rape and abuse other human beings is truly pathetic.

Little late for that don't ya think. The South was committed to an agrarian way of life. It was a land where profitable and efficient plantations worked by slave labor produced cotton for the world market. This wasn't a state of mind and it has nothing to do with anyone forcing anyone to do anything. Stop with the adolescent accusations. This was a time that slavery was an acceptable way of life. Nobody today is saying it was right but you can't just project your 2020 views on something you couldn't possibly have lived through.

The fact that Trump supporters have no issue with fighting to protect slavery says all one really needs to know about them.

Again, just making it up as you go huh. Last I checked it was Republicans that defeated the Democrat slave owners and freed the slaves.
 
Nobody said they could. You just made that up



According to James Madison, Any federal republic by its very nature invited challenge to central control. He sought at the convention a clause that would prohibit secession from the proposed union once the states had ratified the Constitution. Wonder why.



They threatened to secede if republicans won because the debate was over. Lincoln would move to end slavery.



Little late for that don't ya think. The South was committed to an agrarian way of life. It was a land where profitable and efficient plantations worked by slave labor produced cotton for the world market. This wasn't a state of mind and it has nothing to do with anyone forcing anyone to do anything. Stop with the adolescent accusations. This was a time that slavery was an acceptable way of life. Nobody today is saying it was right but you can't just project your 2020 views on something you couldn't possibly have lived through.



Again, just making it up as you go huh. Last I checked it was Republicans that defeated the Democrat slave owners and freed the slaves.

You claimed that the states were “independent”. They were not, as I showed. They were and are part of the United States.

Like I said before, the very fact that there was so much debate and controversy shows that no, there was no explicit “right” to secede(or right to secede at all, but that’s another matter).

Which doesn’t change the fact that he had made no move to end slavery when they seceded. What you think someone will do is not a valid argument until they actually do it. Otherwise it’s just meaningless fearmongering....but, of course, at that point the South considered any opposition to slavery to be a dire threat.

Lol yeah, it was so profitable and influential that....uh...the Europeans wound up telling them to go **** themselves and just got their cotton elsewhere. There’s a reason that nobody— not one country— ever recognized the Confederacy as independent. And no, even in 1860 people fully realized slavery was a great evil and not even slightly acceptable....which is why the only places in the New World which still had it by that time were the US and Brazil. Not only that, but anti-slavery sentiment was particularly strong in Europe, and played a major role in Britain and France refusing to come save the Confederacy.

So, in short, the argument that “slavery was a-okay by their standards” wasn’t even true in 1860, much less today. The South was one of the last remnants clinging to a despised institution, not a normal “country“ by the standards of the day.

The Republican Party hasn’t been the party of Lincoln for decades....as conservatives’ desperation to defend the Confederacy shows.
 
We certainly did not kill every german soldier after the war was over. But the leaders were tried as war criminals.

Yes, there are war crimes in war and there is war without war crimes. What war crimes did Robert E. Lee commit?

Lee and Davis should have been hung at the end of a rope

Not for war crimes but because of black hatred for Civil War generals and leaders? String them up on the nearerst tree because blacks hate them and don't give a damn about due process and the rule of law? Dig up their graves and stomp their bones to dust? Tear down every remembrance of them and burn textbooks which record the history of the Civil War? And if whites don't go along with that burn their cities and attack cops for supposedly being racist for not agreeing with them?
 
Yes, there are war crimes in war and there is war without war crimes. What war crimes did Robert E. Lee commit?



Not for war crimes but because of black hatred for Civil War generals and leaders? String them up on the nearerst tree because blacks hate them and don't give a damn about due process and the rule of law?

How much due process or rule of law were African Americans given during the hundred plus years of slavery? Or the century of Jim Crow, for that matter?

Oh yeah, that’s right....none. Your claims reek of hypocrisy.
 
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