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Virginia governor to announce removal of Robert E. Lee statue

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Good, most of the traitors statues were put up more then 40 years after the Souths whipping and the start of Jim crow laws

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam will announce on Thursday plans to remove a statue honoring Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from Richmond's historic Monument Avenue, a move that comes amid a national reckoning with America's complicated racial history
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Virginia governor to announce removal of Robert E. Lee statue from Richmond as city reckons with Confederate monuments - CNNPolitics
 
And now, no other statue is off limits.
Good bye Lincoln, M.L King... any statue that hurts someone's feelings is now fair game.

You still haven't gotten over Appomattox Courthouse, and the idea that black people have equal rights, have you? Its only been 150 years, so how many more will it take for that idea to sink in?
 
You still haven't gotten over Appomattox Courthouse, and the idea that black people have equal rights, have you? Its only been 150 years, so how many more will it take for that idea to sink in?

I should find someone telling me, that I don't have equal rights to whites. As something comical.

It's something that sad, not comical.
 
I should find someone telling me, that I don't have equal rights to whites. As something comical.

It's something that sad, not comical.

If you are black then why would you want to tear down Lincoln or MLK statues?
 
Is there a double meaning to this reply?

I expressed no want for these statues to be removed. I'm merely stating a fact that has been set in precedent, with the removal of Lee's own statue.

Just so long as someone, no matter who, no matter when. Finds these statues objectionable. They will have the ability to get them removed in some measure.

By folding to these demands. The governor has given anyone who wishes, the power to either request through their weight of voices, or declare through show of force. That any statue can and will be removed.
 
You still haven't gotten over Appomattox Courthouse, and the idea that black people have equal rights, have you? Its only been 150 years, so how many more will it take for that idea to sink in?

Remind us how tearing down historical statutes gives blacks equal rights?
 
Remind us how tearing down historical statutes gives blacks equal rights?

Why should there be public statues of traitors and bigots that were erected during the rise of the Klan?

Over the past five months, historians have endeavored to demonstrate that something other than respectful recognition of a fallen foe was at play when Confederate monuments began popping up all over the South in the early decades of the 20th century. Many historians, in fact, have spent their careers demonstrating that Confederate commemoration tells us precious little about the Civil War and the men who fought it.
Rather, the statues of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and the rest tell us a great deal about how a cultural industry worked in tandem with a political movement to legitimate white supremacy. Installing Confederate monuments coincided with the rise of Jim Crow, a legal, political, and cultural system that denied African Americans their place in the American polity.

In the years surrounding the turn of the 20th century, Southern states passed laws that segregated public spaces and disfranchised black voters. The Supreme Court upheld these laws, but it was not the only institution to blame for this betrayal of American liberty. Confederate monument building was the culmination of a deliberate campaign to write the history of the Civil War from the Southern point of view. That memory industry began almost immediately after the Confederacy’s defeat.

This Southern version portrayed the Confederate cause as just and slavery as a benevolent institution. This narrative claimed the Civil War was a “brothers’ war,” and most of all, it insisted that the South fought to defend the Constitutional principle of “states’ rights” rather than slavery.
What We Talk About When We Talk About Confederate Monuments | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective
 
I expressed no want for these statues to be removed. I'm merely stating a fact that has been set in precedent, with the removal of Lee's own statue.

Just so long as someone, no matter who, no matter when. Finds these statues objectionable. They will have the ability to get them removed in some measure.

By folding to these demands. The governor has given anyone who wishes, the power to either request through their weight of voices, or declare through show of force. That any statue can and will be removed.

Now you are weaseling away from your previous claims but trying to deny that you aren't doing it.
 
Why should there be public statues of traitors and bigots that were erected during the rise of the Klan?

So you didn't like the rise of the Democrat Klan? Thats good.

i guess we should tear down most of the traitors and bigoted presidents statues as well. You know, the ones who were slave owners.

George Washington
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Grant

Lets tear down the White House since it was built by slaves

And since Lincoln maintained that the Constitution provided no authority for the federal government to abolish slavery in the states where it had long existed, his memorial must go as well.

Will that sooth your White privilege? Make you feel woke?
 
Now you are weaseling away from your previous claims but trying to deny that you aren't doing it.

Alright, where did I state that I wanted either of those statues removed?
 
Alright, where did I state that I wanted either of those statues removed?

If you didn't then why did you post the statement that you did?

Greg Lemond would be proud of your ability to backpedal.
 
So you didn't like the rise of the Democrat Klan? Thats good.

i guess we should tear down most of the traitors and bigoted presidents statues as well. You know, the ones who were slave owners.

George Washington
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Grant

Lets tear down the White House since it was built by slaves

And since Lincoln maintained that the Constitution provided no authority for the federal government to abolish slavery in the states where it had long existed, his memorial must go as well.

Will that sooth your White privilege? Make you feel woke?

How many of them fought for the CSA?

The Founders knew that if they mentioned the abolition of slavery in the Constitution it would never be ratified by the slave states so they kicked that can down the road for another generation to solve and got the Constitution ratified instead.
 
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So you didn't like the rise of the Democrat Klan? Thats good.

i guess we should tear down most of the traitors and bigoted presidents statues as well. You know, the ones who were slave owners.

George Washington
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses Grant

Lets tear down the White House since it was built by slaves

And since Lincoln maintained that the Constitution provided no authority for the federal government to abolish slavery in the states where it had long existed, his memorial must go as well.

Will that sooth your White privilege? Make you feel woke?

You do have a point there. Lincoln even said himself, during his Illinois debates, that he did not seek equality of blacks & whites.
 
If you didn't then why did you post the statement that you did?

Greg Lemond would be proud of your ability to backpedal.

I asked you to show where I had stated as such. Not to repeat yourself.

Where did I say that I wanted those statues removed?

As in cite it.
 
How many of them fought for the CSA?

The Founders knew that if they mentioned the abolition of slavery in the Constitution it would never be ratified by the slave states so they kicked that can down the road for another generation to solve and got the Constitution ratified instead.

Oh, so thats the new qualifier? You can own slaves and be righteous if you were Union but if you were Confederate and owned slaves you were bigoted racist and your statues must come down.

Thanks for clearing that up. Makes perfect sense now. :lamo
 
I asked you to show where I had stated as such. Not to repeat yourself.

Where did I say that I wanted those statues removed?

As in cite it.

How many times do I need to repost your former statement?

Good bye Lincoln, M.L King... any statue that hurts someone's feelings is now fair game.
 
I grew up in Newport News, VA. I know Hampton, Williamsburg, Norfolk, Yorktown, Jamestown, Richmond, and Appomattox like the back of my hand.

There is so much history there. The founding of the colonies, first contacts with Native Americans, revolutionary war, civil war.

It's who we are as a nation. We're the descendants of all these people; the good, the bad, and the ugly. We have warts. get over it.

Stop trying to rewrite the history of mankind.
 
Oh, so thats the new qualifier? You can own slaves and be righteous if you were Union but if you were Confederate and owned slaves you were bigoted racist and your statues must come down.

Thanks for clearing that up. Makes perfect sense now. :lamo

The isssue wasn't binary at the time.

George Washington was a slaveowner and Founding Father of the United States who became uneasy with the institution of slavery but provided for the emancipation of his slaves only after his death. Slavery was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of colonial Virginia, and Washington inherited his first ten slaves at the age of eleven on the death of his father in 1743.
 
I grew up in Newport News, VA. I know Hampton, Williamsburg, Norfolk, Yorktown, Jamestown, Richmond, and Appomattox like the back of my hand.

There is so much history there. The founding of the colonies, first contacts with Native Americans, revolutionary war, civil war.

It's who we are as a nation. We're the descendants of all these people; the good, the bad, and the ugly. We have warts. get over it.

Stop trying to rewrite the history of mankind.

I don't think anyone is trying to deny that it happened. They just aren't celebrating slavery or the CSA.
 
Good, most of the traitors statues were put up more then 40 years after the Souths whipping and the start of Jim crow laws

Virginia governor to announce removal of Robert E. Lee statue from Richmond as city reckons with Confederate monuments - CNNPolitics

Another huge win for democrats! Further evidence of the Goddamn America socialist destruction of God Bless American history, values, traditions and morals. Surely nobody voting democrat this fall will be completely ignorant of the anti-American and anti-God and righteousness goals of democrats determined to turn God bless America into a godless totalitarian brutal Goddamn America Democrat Socialist State?
 
The isssue wasn't binary at the time.

You're right, you sound very one way and hypocritical.

George Washington was a slaveowner and Founding Father of the United States who became uneasy with the institution of slavery but provided for the emancipation of his slaves only after his death. Slavery was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of colonial Virginia, and Washington inherited his first ten slaves at the age of eleven on the death of his father in 1743.

So now its okay to have slaves your entire life as long as you just feel bad about it?

Delirious. :cuckoo:

All this nonsense and you belong to the party of slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow?

Takes all kinds I guess
 
I don't think anyone is trying to deny that it happened. They just aren't celebrating slavery or the CSA.

It's not about celebrating slavery at all. It's about important historical markers of how our nation was born - warts and all.
 
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