US school shooting: Police investigate Marylan

[Lerxst]

Hmm... how is the SRO expected to shoot someone that is not an active shooter?

There may be a one in many millions of a chance that the SRO would be able to spot an impending shooting (gun brandished but not yet fired) but managing to respond and take out the shooter after claiming only two victims is pretty damned impressive.

You've completely missed the point.

 

[ttwtt78640]

You've completely missed the point.

There is no way to know which of the many "weird kids" will decide to snap one day and decide it's a good day to die and take as many with them as possible before hand. If the schools decided to use TSA level security and make kids show up two hours before school starts each day then they might be able to stop these events. It's a matter of how much security is deemed enough and mainly how much time and money folks are willing to devote to it.

 

[Lerxst]

No, there is one dead, the shooter, thank goodness.

Yes there is something very odd going on, guns have absoltely nothing to do with it. Children are deciding to commit murder, a gun is a good tool to use to do it but its the decision to kill that is so odd

I was raised in a urban school where nearly every kid owned a rifle from age 12 and a few had pistols too, all legally.

Know one ever heard of a "school shooting" anywhere at anytime.

Kids would never consider murder in those days, we worked our issues out in fist fights if words were not enough. The idea that anyone would become a "murderer" to settle a score was unthinkable.

We need to do some forensics on the psyches of these young male killers and determine what is causing so many of them to accept murder as a cure to their issues.

Look at the frame of when I posted that comment. I was responding to the information that was available at that time.

I agree, something has changed, and it's not guns. Kids used to come to school in their pickup trucks and it was not uncommon that they had a rifle or shotgun in the gun rack behind their heads. The only restriction to this was that they had to be unloaded, otherwise you could get expelled and the cops would take your gun for a while.

As I've said before, kids these days are bullied like they were when I was growing up. When I was in school, bullying consisted of calling someone out in front a few others in class or outside the school, sometimes a kid got smacked around, but little worse. And the embarrassment was usually limited to those actually present to witness it. So there were some fist fights by the bike rack or out by the arcade where kids went after school.

Today, kids are humiliated instantly on social media. Kids who don't even know the person being bullied dog pile on. Instead a few people getting in on it, dozens are, hundreds even. And it's much more persistent. Because kids are so addicted to their social media life, they simply can't or won't shut it off. So it digs at them. Every post, every snide or hurtful comment. And now, with the 24 hour news cycle and the ability to share violence as it happens, some kids become so incredibly dependent they start getting ideas.

The guns are not the problem. They have never been the problem. The way kids growing up deal with their emotions today is the problem. I never once ever considered shooting someone I went to school with, regardless of how they treated me. I got into some fights, lost some/won some, and dealt with it. Kids just don't seem to understand how to deal these days. I think parents are far too often let off the hook for failing to pay attention to what their kids are doing. I also think that when they finally decide to act, they do it more as a friend than as a parent. And that plants an entirely new set of problems to grow.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Maybe im being jaded but i find it interesting they are counting the shooter as a gunshot victim in the headline.

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No idea why they did that. Maybe he's a liberal.

 

[trouble13]

They're trying to create the narrative that the cop had nothing to do with it.

I think the community should throw the guy a parade and the national media should cober it and the schools should suspend classes and show coverage of the parade across the entire country.

If anyone parents object to that they can sign a oermission note for thrir child to not partcipate and stay in the gym or something under teacher supervision.

We should also have hold a nationally televised town hall meeting to discuss the merits of armed adults on school property and allow students the opprotunity to accuse leaders of the left who oppose this idea horrible uncaring murderous monsters.

Let them have a taste of their own medicine. Lets have a conservative version of rejecting the lefts thoughts and compassion. Lets let them be the emotional punching bag.

If they would of listened to us long ago we would not of had 17 dead in parkland. Let them defend that meme

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[Lerxst]

Where you in the parkland threads criticizing people for politicizing that shooting. I must of missed those posts because i dont recall seeing any from you.

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I have never agreed with blaming guns for the violence in our society. In fact my contribution to these threads is to tell people to stop talking about the guns and focus on the person. You have never seen me supporting, passively or actively, any kind of "anti-gun/gun ban" political agenda. Because I don't do it.

Why are taking a "whatabout" position in this discussion?

 

[Lerxst]

Everything said here isn't about you. If you get out of your bubble you will see many who are for extreme gun control/bans blame the NRA.

Except you addressed me directly, so I replied to you directly.

It's kind of the way these forums work.

 

[Lerxst]

Maybe im being jaded but i find it interesting they are counting the shooter as a gunshot victim in the headline.

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For my part, I was going with the information that came out earlier, which was when I made my initial posts. Clearly the early reports were wrong. I don't think anyone is deliberately trying to count the shooter as a victim.

 

[Lursa]

Actually more likely they are hoping that the kid shot himself, and that the officer accidently injured the other student. WOW would they love that.


Sorry but the media has shown a great propensity create a story and run with it.. only to have it undermined much later.

Doesnt mean they're doing that now.

 

[Lursa]

That's exactly what they're doing.

Guessing and not caring if they're right or not?

Yeah...keep dreaming.

 

[Lursa]

Typically, good guy with a gun doesn't factor in to preventing a mass shooting like this.

Honest question: why do you think that is?

 

[Lerxst]

I think the community should throw the guy a parade and the national media should cober it and the schools should suspend classes and show coverage of the parade across the entire country.

If anyone parents object to that they can sign a oermission note for thrir child to not partcipate and stay in the gym or something under teacher supervision.

We should also have hold a nationally televised town hall meeting to discuss the merits of armed adults on school property and allow students the opprotunity to accuse leaders of the left who oppose this idea horrible uncaring murderous monsters.

Let them have a taste of their own medicine. Lets have a conservative version of rejecting the lefts thoughts and compassion. Lets let them be the emotional punching bag.

If they would of listened to us long ago we would not of had 17 dead in parkland. Let them defend that meme

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Listened to who about Parkland?

Anyway, I believe you will find more lefties get behind secured schools than your political POV allows you to see right now. I know many pro-gun progressives who back law enforcement and are 100% support armed law enforcement in every school. They also support early intervention by teaching parents and teachers what to watch for and report, and they advocate for expanded mental health resources.

I agree there actually needs to be meaningful, bi-partisan discussion about the real problems here, and it's not guns.

 

[minnie616]

Cameron is praising the officer as a hero. His last name is Gaskill, so yes we know it.
From a CNN article :


From the Washington Post article:

What your doing here is blatantly dishonest.

Never claimed they were going to hide his identity. Im waiting for the media fan fare and the eagerness to get his opinion on making schools safe.

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You are being dishonest.

You said:

What the media should be doing right now is giving the security cop his 15minutes of fame. He should be praised as a hero and everyone in america should know his name. Just a hunch that its not gonna happen.

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How do I know you did not mean what you said in your quote?

CNN.com and the Washington Post are not media?

 

[apdst]

Guessing and not caring if they're right or not?

Yeah...keep dreaming.

They don't.

 

[Dittohead not!]

The hand wringers will keep redefining "mass shooting" to make sure that never happens.

Can't push for gun control if no one is getting shot.

I don't think the "no one getting shot" scenario is happening any time soon.

 

[apdst]

I don't think the "no one getting shot" scenario is happening any time soon.

I should have said getting killed.

 

[Lerxst]

Honest question: why do you think that is?

Because the events themselves aren't expected and they happen very, very quickly. About the only time an armed citizen uses a weapon is in self-defense against an immediate threat to themselves.

I am 100% for having armed law enforcement officers or highly trained school security officers in every school. I get the argument that "we shouldn't be turning our schools into armed camps", but I don't agree with the sentiment. Putting a cop in every school is not creating an armed camp. It's merely creating a safer school.

 

[Lerxst]

There is no way to know which of the many "weird kids" will decide to snap one day and decide it's a good day to die and take as many with them as possible before hand. If the schools decided to use TSA level security and make kids show up two hours before school starts each day then they might be able to stop these events. It's a matter of how much security is deemed enough and mainly how much time and money folks are willing to devote to it.

I'm not arguing with you on this point. I am actually in full agreement. I will take "might" over nothing any day. Let me be clear, I support armed security or SRO's in every school. You and I are actually more in agreement than you may think right now.

My irritation with the "suck it libs - good guy with a gun score!!!!" crap is well past over right now.

 

[Lursa]

They don't.

Prove it. Prove that you know the media's motivation.

Go ahead, you want to keep posting that...let's see it.

 

[Lursa]

Because the events themselves aren't expected and they happen very, very quickly. About the only time an armed citizen uses a weapon is in self-defense against an immediate threat to themselves.

I am 100% for having armed law enforcement officers or highly trained school security officers in every school. I get the argument that "we shouldn't be turning our schools into armed camps", but I don't agree with the sentiment. Putting a cop in every school is not creating an armed camp. It's merely creating a safer school.

Thank you.

Actually, not even in the 2nd scenario you wrote for armed citizens being targeted. Guns are not magic. If they were, cops and soldiers wouldnt be killed. It's called ambushes. A true predator attacking an armed citizen or cop or soldier will likely succeed because they choose the time and place and the armed person needs to be able to draw and aim and shoot. In an ambush...it's not impossible to defend yourself but the odds are not in your favor.

OTOH, absolutely a person with a gun can stop a mass shooting. It's very likely that the school guard did so today. As long as the person with the gun isnt one of the intial victims ambushed...they have a good chance of making a difference.

It's just that there arent enough armed citizens and we never know where the next 'ambush' will take place. It's really a case of 'right time, right place.'

And btw, no armed citizen is obligated to protect others in such cases. That is up to them and they assume all the risks that come with it (and know that)...physical and legal.

 

[apdst]

Prove it. Prove that you know the media's motivation.

Go ahead, you want to keep posting that...let's see it.

Prove it. Prove me wrong.

Go ahead, you want to keep posting that...let's see it.

 

[trouble13]

Listened to who about Parkland?

Anyway, I believe you will find more lefties get behind secured schools than your political POV allows you to see right now. I know many pro-gun progressives who back law enforcement and are 100% support armed law enforcement in every school. They also support early intervention by teaching parents and teachers what to watch for and report, and they advocate for expanded mental health resources.

I agree there actually needs to be meaningful, bi-partisan discussion about the real problems here, and it's not guns.

You seem like a decent enough person so im just going to say i think your wrong about what leftists support. If i challenged you to support your belief i think it eould take a lot of effort for to find exsmples of it and there would not be any you could offer

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[Lursa]

Prove it. Prove me wrong.

Go ahead, you want to keep posting that...let's see it.

No, you made the claim...now you are backing off.

You jumped to conclusions and now you want to paint the media in the same light.

Thanks. Dont bother...we know you've got nothing.

 

[trouble13]

You are being dishonest.

You said:



How do I know you did not mean what you said in your quote?

CNN.com and the Washington Post are not media?

Did you know his name without searching for it?

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[apdst]

No, you made the claim...now you are backing off.

You jumped to conclusions and now you want to paint the media in the same light.

Thanks. Dont bother...we know you've got nothing.

You made the original challenge; exerted your superiority; don't want to just let it go. You prove it.