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US school shooting: Police investigate Marylan

I used to be one of those guys that annoyed the hell out of you guys...a freelance news camera guy.

Haha I only ever had a beef with one reporter. She worked for one of papers and was just sick in the head. We held a press conference to discuss the capture of serial child rapist and, I **** you not, in front of a dozen cops and twenty other members of the press, on camera, asked if any of they child victims were dressed provocatively. One of the city detectives looked at her, cleared his throat, and said "the victims were all children, what do you think?" She didn't ask any more questions.
 
And there are things from the current era that should be preserved and a whole lot of things we would be much MUCH better off without.

If only we could just keep the good parts of all eras.
 
Haha I only ever had a beef with one reporter. She worked for one of papers and was just sick in the head. We held a press conference to discuss the capture of serial child rapist and, I **** you not, in front of a dozen cops and twenty other members of the press, on camera, asked if any of they child victims were dressed provocatively. One of the city detectives looked at her, cleared his throat, and said "the victims were all children, what do you think?" She didn't ask any more questions.

I was never a reporter, just a camera guy.
I TRAINED as a reporter, I wanted to be a reporter, but once the news model changed in the mid-eighties to a profit model, I was disgusted with the idea, just as Cronkite was (which is the real reason he retired) and I wasn't about to follow the new "orchestra pit" model of ginning up excitement and sensationalism.
I trained to be a classic reporter, in the Edward R. Murrow style, not a tabloid jockey.

So I decided to just be a press photographer with a TV camera instead.
 
If only we could just keep the good parts of all eras.

We could and should. All it takes is a little bit of intellectual honesty, i.e. just because there were bad things in the 50's etc., there also was a lot of good. Just because a person has done some bad or dumb things does not mean everything about that persons is bad or dumb. It would mean setting aside our partisanship and prejudices and glorification of political correctness that will be defended no matter what and seeing things as they actually are, keep the good and reject or fix the bad.

We human are capable of doing that with elected leaders, perception of history, the problems we have, and even guns. The question is whether those who latch onto this or that position or cause will ever be willing to do that.
 
UPDATE

Very sad. I just read that the 16-year-old girl who was shot at a school in Maryland on Tuesday will be removed from life support, her parents said.
 
I don't disagree with you at all on this. As I've stated a few times here, I support an armed SRO in every single school in this country. Never happen, but it should.

One armed person is simply insufficient. We need a person with about a 60 second response time and that means multiple people with access to a firearm.
 
One armed person is simply insufficient. We need a person with about a 60 second response time and that means multiple people with access to a firearm.

Are you advocating for teachers being allowed to carry guns in schools?
 
Controlled how?

FS has made it very clear that staff willing to undertake the training should be trained in the use of firearms and have controlled access to them. Why? This:

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Jesus Christ that's awful. I've had to deal with a fair share of fresh dead bodies, fragmented bodies from mass casualty events (plane crash, a few tornadoes, etc), bodies in advance decomposition...but have never had to gut an animal to look for evidence. I have entered suicide and murder scenes where pets had started eating their deceased owners. I'd be hard pressed to open up hogs...mark that under jobs to give subordinates. When I got promoted to Lieutenant I stopped attending children's autopsies. Made our child crimes guys go to all of them. I couldn't shake that **** no matter how hard I tried.

When I retired I was more than ready. The job definitely contributed to the breakup of both my marriages, although it wasn't a primary reason. People who don't do the job have a difficult time understanding what it does to a person. Fighting bad guys gets in your blood and can very easily start to erode things at home. When I was a patrolman I loved going to work, but I could leave it on the street when my shift was over. Detective work consumed me. I stopped socializing with anybody but other cops and the occasional paramedic or nurse.

Took me a couple of years to begin having faith in my fellow man. But for a long time, I suspected damn near everyone I met of doing something dirty. Glad to shed that kind of mentality.

One of the reasons I volunteer with the VPD is a certain shared horror at what mankind can do to mankind.

I didn't always have to see the bodies but I often had to attend the trial. You are right, no one can understand the complexities, its more than just horror, you begin questioning your own values. So many times I knew I had a huge bias, wanted the "accused" tortured then and there and had to go on camera and talk about the horror like it was a traffic crash.

Long after I left the profession I had a breakdown caused by other issues. The breakdown re-created all those anxieties, but it was a bonus in the long run as one of the things this old alcoholic does when down it help others, so I volunteered for a lot and must have fooled some cops as I got accepted at two community policing units....and from there to direct contact with a new arm of VPD's arsenal; a mental health team.

Years ago the VPD became very vocal about the level of interdictions with MHP's, now and then ending in a dead suspect as the officers had no choice (try that one on - you HAVE NO CHOICE but to kill a man who is sick, not a criminal. They made it clear they would not do that anymore and, through the best chief we've ever had got $$$$ for trail teams, full service members with training in calming and controlling without physical contact.

It's working. And I will tell you to be around that energy is amazing, but it underlines the philosophy of the department, they are there to save people from harm, not create more of it. Since it's institution they have had to shoot one person who died en route. I hate that it had to happen but the guy was advancing with a 2X4 and the member was solo in the middle of the street with 100's of onlookers. That shooting was three years ago and just got cleared of investigations etc.

Now that's one thing, but now we are the front line of the war against humanity through Fenatyl, 900 people died of it last year alone. The first responders are going down in droves, scraping bodies off the street every night was not an intended job for mankind and they are paying a horrible toll. We have stemmed the tide a few % points, we are using everything that has ever worked and then some, but getting the concept of harm reduction through to some people is like trying to stop the tide with a rake. Pot may as well have been legal here for the last 15 - 20 years but for some reason when you tell them that we can ratchet people down with it they go crazy like it will cost them so votes.

BTW, thank you for your service. It is a job I could never do; first time I encountered a wife beater I'd be behind bars myself
 
One of the reasons I volunteer with the VPD is a certain shared horror at what mankind can do to mankind.

I didn't always have to see the bodies but I often had to attend the trial. You are right, no one can understand the complexities, its more than just horror, you begin questioning your own values. So many times I knew I had a huge bias, wanted the "accused" tortured then and there and had to go on camera and talk about the horror like it was a traffic crash.

Long after I left the profession I had a breakdown caused by other issues. The breakdown re-created all those anxieties, but it was a bonus in the long run as one of the things this old alcoholic does when down it help others, so I volunteered for a lot and must have fooled some cops as I got accepted at two community policing units....and from there to direct contact with a new arm of VPD's arsenal; a mental health team.

Years ago the VPD became very vocal about the level of interdictions with MHP's, now and then ending in a dead suspect as the officers had no choice (try that one on - you HAVE NO CHOICE but to kill a man who is sick, not a criminal. They made it clear they would not do that anymore and, through the best chief we've ever had got $$$$ for trail teams, full service members with training in calming and controlling without physical contact.

It's working. And I will tell you to be around that energy is amazing, but it underlines the philosophy of the department, they are there to save people from harm, not create more of it. Since it's institution they have had to shoot one person who died en route. I hate that it had to happen but the guy was advancing with a 2X4 and the member was solo in the middle of the street with 100's of onlookers. That shooting was three years ago and just got cleared of investigations etc.

Now that's one thing, but now we are the front line of the war against humanity through Fenatyl, 900 people died of it last year alone. The first responders are going down in droves, scraping bodies off the street every night was not an intended job for mankind and they are paying a horrible toll. We have stemmed the tide a few % points, we are using everything that has ever worked and then some, but getting the concept of harm reduction through to some people is like trying to stop the tide with a rake. Pot may as well have been legal here for the last 15 - 20 years but for some reason when you tell them that we can ratchet people down with it they go crazy like it will cost them so votes.

BTW, thank you for your service. It is a job I could never do; first time I encountered a wife beater I'd be behind bars myself

Thank for the kind words. We did a similar program where we established Crisis Intervention Officers. The goal was to effectively deal with the problem of duel-diagnosis individuals. People who were dealing with mental disorders and substance abuse. Overwhelmingly we were arresting and imprisoning people who were suffering from mental issues and substance abuse. These were the same people that typical ended up making officers use force to subdue them. Unfortunately the programs were spun down because our agency wasn't very good at documenting results and agreeing with mental health experts on how policy should change.
 
Thank for the kind words. We did a similar program where we established Crisis Intervention Officers. The goal was to effectively deal with the problem of duel-diagnosis individuals. People who were dealing with mental disorders and substance abuse. Overwhelmingly we were arresting and imprisoning people who were suffering from mental issues and substance abuse. These were the same people that typical ended up making officers use force to subdue them. Unfortunately the programs were spun down because our agency wasn't very good at documenting results and agreeing with mental health experts on how policy should change.


Ouch.

We no longer consider the "dual diagnosis" concept, we accept that 95% of street people and the mentally ill are "self medicating". My work and my team have well established that self medication to end the "pain" comes into use as a result of many things, not the least of which is mis-diagnosis. Too often care givers only saw the illegal substances and not the reason for using them.
When we reduce risk, they initially push back and will often use on top of the alternative. But patience and unwavering peer level support will eventually bring "a result" not always the one you intended, but no coffins need be involved.
We hit that wall of where does the police job begin? If we inject a third party and no damage or injury is done, we can advise the police on charges, usually its "inconvenient crime" where someone has been harassed and wants revenge. We can walk away from that now and remove that barrier of getting to the issue. However if police are called we are not supposed to get involved until they arrive, which we now ignore since we can usually level things out before "my gang" arrives.
BTW, sometimes it does get confrontational. I have some set things, the best is "OK, you heard that my gang is on the way. They have guns. Do you really to hassle?" It is interesting to see that drugged mind wrestle with logic, but if you have don it right and established an "us" (I am like you. I have a diagnosis, I am a sober addict. I have been where you are. I can get you out.")
None of us has been hurt in three years, and none of them have had to be shot. That's measurable success for even the city hall bean counters.
 
FS has made it very clear that staff willing to undertake the training should be trained in the use of firearms and have controlled access to them. Why? This:

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Had he made clear what he meant by "controlled", then I would not have needed to ask him.
 
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