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U.S. Women's Soccer Team Accused Of Snubbing Star Player For Christian Views

vegas giants said:
No. They had to be the best fit. No one wants a cancer in the clubhouse
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Like, for instance, those 'uppity' negroes who wanted to sit in classrooms with whites in Alabama?
 
cabse5 said:
Like, for instance, those 'uppity' negroes who wanted to sit in classrooms with whites in Alabama?
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Christians were welcome on the women's team. Are you saying they have no christians?
 
veritas1 said:
Scripture addresses this in many places. One cannot be said to be saved yet continue willfully in sins. This does not mean that people won't still sin. It means they won't go on in their former lives as if nothing has changed. The idea that you can sin away and then be absolved by some priest each time without consequence, is a corruption of scripture. What I've found in dealing with many Catholics is that they are all about the church, all about the pope, all about the virgin Mary and all about the rituals but they do not know the scriptures.
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Way to use a lot of words to not say anything of substance. I asked a simple question, and you did everything but pull a Neo from The Matrix to dodge it.

Based on what you DID say, I can assume that you would put Catholics on the "not right" list. Fine. Beyond that, my question still stands....whos got it right?

Presbyterians? Episcopalians? Methodists? Baptists? Seventh Day Adventists? Protestants?

I ask the question because they all seem to disagree pretty severely on the "how" to go about things, and for a lot of them, the "how" is pretty damned important in thier worship.
 
cabse5 said:
But straights don't proclaim with which sex(s) they sleep with. And the straights who brag about their sexual exploits are usually shunned.
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Donald Trump on line 1.....something about getting millions of people to vote for him after bragging about sexual conquests and hinting at banging his hot piece of ass daughter if things were different.

Do you think about any of this before you press the post button?
 
cabse5 said:
Like, for instance, those 'uppity' negroes who wanted to sit in classrooms with whites in Alabama?
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You DO realize who the cancers in the room were in your example, dont you?

Hint...it wasnt the uppity negroes.
 
veritas1 said:
Of course there's an agenda. This has nothing to do with soccer. Are you seriously going to suggest that there is some massive untapped lesbian soccer fan market? Please. This is simply a PC stunt carried out because the coaches favored it. You said it was OK if a legitimate part of the job. Well, being gay has nothing whatever to do with playing soccer.
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Actually yes.. there is a market to gay people. Its an underserved market. and yes there are TONS of gay people.. probably 4-10% of the population is gay.

And yep being gay has nothing to do with playing soccer. 1. That's a great marketing tool right there. an awesome marketing tool. Unlike other sports where you have to be manly.. or womanly.. and have to keep up the illusion of being heterosexual.

And so what if has nothing to do with playing soccer?

Do you have to drink beer to play soccer?

Modelo No Stranger to Soccer Sponsorship - Gilt Edge Soccer Marketing

Yet.. here is beer being marketed.
 
cabse5 said:
Totally on topic. The US women's soccer team forced Hinkle off their team because she wasn't pro-LGBTQ.
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No.. she refused to play... so they did not ask her back. Refuse to go to work.. don't expect to be called back.
 
veritas1 said:
Glad to know you can read Hinkle's mind. She did what her conscience told her to do. As for Rapinoe, who cares if she's gay? That's the whole problem. Every time a gay person accomplishes something we're supposed to stand up and cheer and say "Oh look, a gay person made good." That's what people are sick of. Why can't we just say that Rapinoe is a good soccer player and leave out the rest? It has nothing to do with her abilities.
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Right.. and where did she get her conscious? Other Christians.... and other Christians.. somehow taught her that if you wear a rainbow number.. why it means that you are gay or are somehow creating some moral sin.

And as far Rapinoe.. who cares if she is gay? Apparently you do. Which has been the norm of society. Heterosexuals can be free about their sexuality..and before you go...

Well.. what does it have to do with soccer. … what do cheerleading has to do with football..or basketball? Whole shows are devoted to the Dallas cheerleaders... and its part of their marketing program for football. And what are those girls selling? What do you think is being marketed here? You really want us all to believe it has nothing to do with heterosexuality? Please.

The fact is.. that sports and sexual orientation have been tied since time began. Not to mention just sports. Its why gay people have had to hide in the shadows for fear of being "outed"... fear that they will lose their jobs once outed... fear that they will be beaten up, fear that they will be arrested.. fear that they will be killed...

Those are all REAL fears based on real events that have happened to gay people.

And so.. the soccer team wears a rainbow number.. to show that they support all people.. regardless of your orientation...that shows "your orientation has nothing to do with soccer".

Which helps market soccer to an underserved population.

Its just good business.
 
cabse5 said:
So, the coaches are both good and seers? Hinkle wasn't needed because the coaches knew they were going to win, anyway?
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Be it right or wrong......there was a pretty safe feeling that they were going to win regardless of who they fielded. They went in as prohibitive favorites. They werent even even money to win. They were 1/2 odds....next closest was 9/2 England.

It was as close to a lock as there has been in major competition in a ridiculously long time.

Hinkle was not needed to fulfill those predictions.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
But can you love thy neighbor while making them third class citizens in their own home?

Look, I don't like basketball, doesn't mean I don't want to stop people playing that silly sport. Baseball and Football are even worse. Still don't want to stop people playing them, even a sport which leads to brain damage.

Gay people having sex isn't my thing, just as thinking about my parents having sex isn't my thing. Doesn't mean I want to pound down on people because I can't deal with them doing such things.

Adultery is a sin. You can love Trump and not love his sin. But then these people who are being hypocritical don't scream and shout that Trump is going to hell, they voted for him.

You can often see a person's true intentions by looking at their fundamental principles. And clearly their fundamental principles are not the Bible.
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Who is keeping them from playing anything? Who is keeping them from having gay sex? This is a straw man. Allowing something and celebrating it are two different things. As for Trump, he was elected to carry out the duties of the presidency, not be a model of sexual fidelity anymore than Bill Clinton was.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Way to use a lot of words to not say anything of substance. I asked a simple question, and you did everything but pull a Neo from The Matrix to dodge it.

Based on what you DID say, I can assume that you would put Catholics on the "not right" list. Fine. Beyond that, my question still stands....whos got it right?

Presbyterians? Episcopalians? Methodists? Baptists? Seventh Day Adventists? Protestants?

I ask the question because they all seem to disagree pretty severely on the "how" to go about things, and for a lot of them, the "how" is pretty damned important in thier worship.
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Since we were discussing Catholiciism vs Protestantism and you asked me which "flavor" was the correct one, I addressed that. If you want me to dissect the various differences among Protestant sects, that would take quite awhile but most all of them agree with the premise I put forth above. You cannot claim to be a Christian, go about willfully sinning and then expect to be saved. As I said, scripture addresses that in numerous places.
 
jaeger19 said:
Actually yes.. there is a market to gay people. Its an underserved market. and yes there are TONS of gay people.. probably 4-10% of the population is gay.

And yep being gay has nothing to do with playing soccer. 1. That's a great marketing tool right there. an awesome marketing tool. Unlike other sports where you have to be manly.. or womanly.. and have to keep up the illusion of being heterosexual.

And so what if has nothing to do with playing soccer?

Do you have to drink beer to play soccer?

Modelo No Stranger to Soccer Sponsorship - Gilt Edge Soccer Marketing

Yet.. here is beer being marketed.
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All you have to do to play any sport is have the requisite skills. Your sexual proclivities are irrelevant. There are straight and gay people in almost all sports.
 
veritas1 said:
All you have to do to play any sport is have the requisite skills. Your sexual proclivities are irrelevant. There are straight and gay people in almost all sports.
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Well you also have to take the field. Hinkle did not. Rapinoe did and that is why she is a champion
 
jaeger19 said:
Right.. and where did she get her conscious? Other Christians.... and other Christians.. somehow taught her that if you wear a rainbow number.. why it means that you are gay or are somehow creating some moral sin.

And as far Rapinoe.. who cares if she is gay? Apparently you do. Which has been the norm of society. Heterosexuals can be free about their sexuality..and before you go...

Well.. what does it have to do with soccer. … what do cheerleading has to do with football..or basketball? Whole shows are devoted to the Dallas cheerleaders... and its part of their marketing program for football. And what are those girls selling? What do you think is being marketed here? You really want us all to believe it has nothing to do with heterosexuality? Please.

The fact is.. that sports and sexual orientation have been tied since time began. Not to mention just sports. Its why gay people have had to hide in the shadows for fear of being "outed"... fear that they will lose their jobs once outed... fear that they will be beaten up, fear that they will be arrested.. fear that they will be killed...

Those are all REAL fears based on real events that have happened to gay people.

And so.. the soccer team wears a rainbow number.. to show that they support all people.. regardless of your orientation...that shows "your orientation has nothing to do with soccer".

Which helps market soccer to an underserved population.

Its just good business.
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Many. many people come to their Christian faith by their own devices, not because someone told them it was the thing to do. Some, of course, are brought up in a Christian atmosphere but, quite often, they end up rejecting what they were exposed to if it was done in a suffocating manner. Similarly, we should expect that kids raised by agnostics will, more than likely, be agnostic.

As for Rapinoe or gay soccer players generally, it is not Christians making a big deal out of them. They are making a big deal out of themselves by parading their sexuality around and asking for acclaim based solely on that fact. If their orientation has nothing to do with soccer, then they should be marketing the game rather than themselves. And, yes, you could make the same claim about NFL cheerleaders, whom I've always thought were rather superfluous.
 
vegas giants said:
Well you also have to take the field. Hinkle did not. Rapinoe did and that is why she is a champion
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Uh, yea, you've said that about 15 times already. Yet, somehow you've missed the whole point about why and how the team ostracized one of its best players.
 
veritas1 said:
Uh, yea, you've said that about 15 times already. Yet, somehow you've missed the whole point about why and how the team ostracized one of its best players.
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It was her choice. You want the entire team to bow to her wishes. She can not take the field with a different Jersey from every one else. That is against st the rules of the game. The team picked a Jersey. Put it on or get off the team


She chose the latter
 
veritas1 said:
Uh, yea, you've said that about 15 times already. Yet, somehow you've missed the whole point about why and how the team ostracized one of its best players.
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Except she ostracized herself. I believe you are a fan of Las Vegas hockey. You do realize that they are all told what jersey to wear on any given playing night, and they don't get to say "I don't want to wear that". The same thing happens in FIFA soccer. If they are all told to wear pink jerseys to honor breast cancer research and survivors that night, that's what they were. If they decide not to join in, their are making the decision to not be a part of the team.

This young woman, a talented player without question, chose to put her religion before her team. That was her right to do that, but she has to live with the consequences. Just like any other athlete would.
 
veritas1 said:
All you have to do to play any sport is have the requisite skills. Your sexual proclivities are irrelevant. There are straight and gay people in almost all sports.
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Actually not true. When it comes to professional sports.. it also comes down to marketability. Its not winning that makes you money.. its the endorsements, the advertising..oh and the merchandising of your sports team and individuals.. that's what makes you the money.


And the fact is.. for most of history.. particularly in America.. gay athletes had to stay hidden... so when you say.."it did does not matter your sexual orientation..."...that's complete bull.


It was not uncommon to see the star football player out with their beautiful wife on their arm.


How often in history have you seen the star gay athlete.. on the red carpet with their same sex spouse?


Not so often huh? Why is that if sexual orientation doesn't matter?


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