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U.S. Women's Soccer Team Accused Of Snubbing Star Player For Christian Views

What should be understood is that there is a propaganda movement to get right-wing Christians to think there is a liberal persecution they're victims of, in order to keep them loyally voting Republican, so Republicans can get power.

And so ANY incident where ANY lie can be told about persecution of Christians can be used to feed this propaganda.

Every case of any time a sports team (or any group) member who is Christian isn't rewarded, for whatever reason, no matter how justified, it can be 'spun' as persecution and used for propaganda.

So whether it's hiding that the person wasn't as good a player, or that their bigotry was a problem, or another legitimate issue, it becomes 'Christians persecuted' propaganda. And the horror if, very rarely, an actual case IS found of actual discrimination - it can by hyped to look like it happens millions of times.

Basically, every time there's a Christian involved, they HAVE to be given the reward or position, to avoid the incident being able to be used as propaganda to falsely claim persecution.

Don't worry, the left will never let a Christian or anybody else take away their victim voting block. It's the whole democrat platform. If you want border security you are "a racist against brown people", if you are against late term abortion" you're a misogynist and want to take a womans "reproductive rights". If you are against gay marriage in your church, you're a "homophobe and against gays". When Trump halted the travel from the countries of concern until they could be vetted better ( the list were used from the Obama administration's countries of concern) you were a bigot and hate all muslims. And so on, and so on. So let not your heart be troubled. The democrat victim voting block is alive and well. :roll:
 
Believing in traditional marriage has no meaning and, if it did, it would have no bearing on others. Bigotry is not tradition. Bigotry is hate. It's about time real Christians threw that crap out.

I can tell you that the friends I have and I , never treat anybody differently regardless of their sexual preference. I don't force my beliefs on anybody, and I don't want anything forced on me. If I was a member of a team that decided to where shirts that symbolize gay pride, and forced me to wear it or quit, I'd have a problem with it. In this players case, I believe she is a victim of bigotry. I'd like to know how the idea came about. Was it decided by the league, or what? I never saw a sport anywhere that celebrates a sexual preference by wearing something that represents that.
 
Don't worry, the left will never let a Christian or anybody else take away their victim voting block. It's the whole democrat platform. If you want border security you are "a racist against brown people", if you are against late term abortion" you're a misogynist and want to take a womans "reproductive rights". If you are against gay marriage in your church, you're a "homophobe and against gays". When Trump halted the travel from the countries of concern until they could be vetted better ( the list were used from the Obama administration's countries of concern) you were a bigot and hate all muslims. And so on, and so on. So let not your heart be troubled. The democrat victim voting block is alive and well. :roll:

Every single one of your claims is false or a lie. I do understand that's the warped view the right has.

Giving you an irony of the day award.
 
I can tell you that the friends I have and I , never treat anybody differently regardless of their sexual preference. I don't force my beliefs on anybody, and I don't want anything forced on me. If I was a member of a team that decided to where shirts that symbolize gay pride, and forced me to wear it or quit, I'd have a problem with it. In this players case, I believe she is a victim of bigotry. I'd like to know how the idea came about. Was it decided by the league, or what? I never saw a sport anywhere that celebrates a sexual preference by wearing something that represents that.

People should honor their contracts. Quitting over a temporary jersey approved by the team and league is snowflake BS and hurt the team's readiness.

Let's not make excuses for people that quit suddenly on their team. Let's not make excuses for no call-no shows. Let's instill personal responsibility and duty in our youth, not TV victim routines when they fail to get the job done.

There are a million ways to protest. Not showing up is quitting. This might be soccer but it's still three strikes and you're out.
 
Every single one of your claims is false or a lie. I do understand that's the warped view the right has.

Giving you an irony of the day award.

If ya can't dispute it and back it up, just say it's a lie. Verrry well thought out response......:roll:
 
People should honor their contracts. Quitting over a temporary jersey approved by the team and league is snowflake BS and hurt the team's readiness.

Let's not make excuses for people that quit suddenly on their team. Let's not make excuses for no call-no shows. Let's instill personal responsibility and duty in our youth, not TV victim routines when they fail to get the job done.

There are a million ways to protest. Not showing up is quitting. This might be soccer but it's still three strikes and you're out.[/QUOTE

So, if this was a professional team and she was under contract, she should've sued the employer. And standing up to a bully, and not compromising your religious beliefs, isn't being a "snowflake". It's a strong person that despite loosing her opportunity to win a world championship, playing a game she loved her whole life, she sticks to her guns. When Muhammad Ali refused to violate his religious beliefs, did you consider him a snowflake?
 
If ya can't dispute it and back it up, just say it's a lie. Verrry well thought out response......:roll:

I'm happy to go into more depth with posters who show any ability to benefit.
 
And standing up to a bully, and not compromising your religious beliefs, isn't being a "snowflake". It's a strong person that despite loosing her opportunity to win a world championship, playing a game she loved her whole life, she sticks to her guns. When Muhammad Ali refused to violate his religious beliefs, did you consider him a snowflake?

The problem with this topic, is the situation of 'standing up for their beliefs' when those beliefs are 'wrong'.

Problem 1 - who decides what's wrong? We can spend all day making up cases we agree it's wrong, we agree it's right, and we agree there are differences of opinion. That does nothing to solve the problem.

What if the 'strong belief' was that they should wear a patch calling for all black people being made slaves? You can say, 'oh that's obviously offensive, a straw man', but wait. Who's to say that? What if that's how they feel and they think it's a principled stand?

What if the team wears pink ribbons to support breast cancer research, and someone has a principled objection? Maybe they think women are too uppity and should be subservient and not given that attention. Maybe they think men aren't getting equal treatment. Whatever.

The point is, because it all comes down to 'opinion', and what seems obviously wrong to one person can seem right to another, there are going to be differences of opinion.

And the bottom line is that to settle this, someone does say 'that's right'. Hopefully they don't abuse the power, but that's something that happens. And a position in favor of equality, welcoming a group who has historically faced discrimination, has a good case to be the 'right' side.

And there's a pretty good case that the person opposing it claiming Christianity, is hiding bigotry behind religion. People will disagree. There are people who literally think gay people should be stoned to death.They tend to think they're not being hateful or bigoted but following their religion.

As much as the majority or someone in charge can be wrong, that's likely be how these things get decided. We have some rights for people to make their case disagreeing, and maybe people change - just as they did on gay marriage equality. Maybe they don't. For now, the people welcoming gay people win, and the person who resents that gets viewed as misguided and can leave the team if they want to protest.
 
Many. many people come to their Christian faith by their own devices, not because someone told them it was the thing to do. Some, of course, are brought up in a Christian atmosphere but, quite often, they end up rejecting what they were exposed to if it was done in a suffocating manner. Similarly, we should expect that kids raised by agnostics will, more than likely, be agnostic.

Well... as you pretty much pointed out.. being Christian has more to do with what you are raised.. then it does with your own beliefs.

s for Rapinoe or gay soccer players generally, it is not Christians making a big deal out of them

Sure it is. If being gay wasn't such a big deal... why not wear the jersey with a rainbow?

Oh wait.. because.. the Christians don't want to tolerate even wearing a RAINBOW.. if it connotates gay/homosexuality.

And its seen as a moral imperative..to refuse to play.. simply because there is a rainbow on your shirt....

So spare us that "its not a big deal to Christians".

Wearing a rainbow.. is not "parading your sexuality"... the rest of the team was wearing a rainbow.. does that mean they are all gay? nope.

but see.. remember the prior discussion about Christians thinking that if you wear a rainbow.. that it means you are gay? Well sir.. you just proved it, cuz you just made the premise that wearing the rainbow.. is "parading their (gay) sexuality around".

Its not by the way. You just proved my argument for me.
 
I can tell you that the friends I have and I , never treat anybody differently regardless of their sexual preference. I don't force my beliefs on anybody, and I don't want anything forced on me. If I was a member of a team that decided to where shirts that symbolize gay pride, and forced me to wear it or quit, I'd have a problem with it. In this players case, I believe she is a victim of bigotry. I'd like to know how the idea came about. Was it decided by the league, or what? I never saw a sport anywhere that celebrates a sexual preference by wearing something that represents that.

If you don't care about sexual preferences etc.. why would you be upset about wearing a rainbow that symbolizes gay pride? Do you not support and like your gay "friends".. (as you kind of tried to point out that you have gay friends).

You never say a support that celebrates sexual preference? You ever seen the Cheerleaders at a football or basketball game.. you don't think that's celebrating a sexual preference?

Please.
 
So, if this was a professional team and she was under contract, she should've sued the employer.

One signs a contract when joining the team. Like everyone else that skips out on work, she got fired.

Stop apologizing for deadbeats.
 
It was her choice. You want the entire team to bow to her wishes. She can not take the field with a different Jersey from every one else. That is against st the rules of the game. The team picked a Jersey. Put it on or get off the team


She chose the latter

She never demanded to be allowed to wear a different jersey. You guys apparently take the same position with soccer players as you do with bakers; bow to our demands or be punished. That's pretty much the routine now.
 
Except she ostracized herself. I believe you are a fan of Las Vegas hockey. You do realize that they are all told what jersey to wear on any given playing night, and they don't get to say "I don't want to wear that". The same thing happens in FIFA soccer. If they are all told to wear pink jerseys to honor breast cancer research and survivors that night, that's what they were. If they decide not to join in, their are making the decision to not be a part of the team.

This young woman, a talented player without question, chose to put her religion before her team. That was her right to do that, but she has to live with the consequences. Just like any other athlete would.

Except that there is nothing controversial about being against breast cancer. Therein lies the difference. Nobody is for breast cancer. However, lots of people take opposing sides on issues like homosexuality, guns and abortion. Those things are better left out of sports. Just play the game. Promote your politics in a different venue.
 
Actually not true. When it comes to professional sports.. it also comes down to marketability. Its not winning that makes you money.. its the endorsements, the advertising..oh and the merchandising of your sports team and individuals.. that's what makes you the money.


And the fact is.. for most of history.. particularly in America.. gay athletes had to stay hidden... so when you say.."it did does not matter your sexual orientation..."...that's complete bull.


It was not uncommon to see the star football player out with their beautiful wife on their arm.


How often in history have you seen the star gay athlete.. on the red carpet with their same sex spouse?


Not so often huh? Why is that if sexual orientation doesn't matter?


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You are conflating two things. I said it doesn't dictate whether you have athletic prowess or not. I never said that it was necessarily something accepted by the vast majority of society. If you want to fight that battle, do it in another venue. I hear about marketing but they may be alienating as many people as they appeal to. The reason sports have caved in on all fronts to PC is that they fear the backlash from the people they depend on to air their games and sell advertising; the media. That's simply the long and short of it. It's dollars.
 
Well... as you pretty much pointed out.. being Christian has more to do with what you are raised.. then it does with your own beliefs.



Sure it is. If being gay wasn't such a big deal... why not wear the jersey with a rainbow?

Oh wait.. because.. the Christians don't want to tolerate even wearing a RAINBOW.. if it connotates gay/homosexuality.

And its seen as a moral imperative..to refuse to play.. simply because there is a rainbow on your shirt....

So spare us that "its not a big deal to Christians".

Wearing a rainbow.. is not "parading your sexuality"... the rest of the team was wearing a rainbow.. does that mean they are all gay? nope.

but see.. remember the prior discussion about Christians thinking that if you wear a rainbow.. that it means you are gay? Well sir.. you just proved it, cuz you just made the premise that wearing the rainbow.. is "parading their (gay) sexuality around".

Its not by the way. You just proved my argument for me.

The rainbow jersey is a statement of approval, plain and simple. I never once stated that wearing the rainbow jersey means you are gay. I never said that anywhere. Christians don't believe that. If Hinkle had caved in and worn the jersey, was she suddenly gay? No, it's a statement of support and approval, something with which not everyone agrees and which some, like Hinkle, have the courage to opt out of. No matter how you contort it, forcing the players to wear the jersey was simply an act of PC coercion no different than forcing them to wear something supporting some other cause like abortion on demand or anti-gun positions.
 
Gay people proclaim with whom they have sex. They have parades about it, for crying out loud. Some of those parades get quite raunchy. We have to put up with it for the sake of PC culture.

Some people like, for example, Brad Pitt would have sex with everyone. I've always wondered if Brad Pitt would have sex with the transgendered (seems that would be the best of both worlds for him). I've also wondered why anyone would enter into an 'exclusive' relationship with Brad Pitt.

All gay people?

Do heterosexual people not get quite raunchy in public?

Just think the Kardashians, I mean, they're constantly getting naked.
 
Totally on topic. The US women's soccer team forced Hinkle off their team because she wasn't pro-LGBTQ.

She kind of forced herself off the team.
 
Not having a problem with it is far from the truth. Have you not heard the uproar about Trump's sexual exploits?

Yes, and it's not coming from the right.
 
Who is keeping them from playing anything? Who is keeping them from having gay sex? This is a straw man. Allowing something and celebrating it are two different things. As for Trump, he was elected to carry out the duties of the presidency, not be a model of sexual fidelity anymore than Bill Clinton was.

Hardly a strawman.

LGBT rights by country or territory - Wikipedia

Lots of countries make gay sex illegal.

The point is that right wing zealots wouldn't have voted for a gay man, but they'll vote for an adulterer. It's called hypocrisy.
 
People should honor their contracts. Quitting over a temporary jersey approved by the team and league is snowflake BS and hurt the team's readiness.

Let's not make excuses for people that quit suddenly on their team. Let's not make excuses for no call-no shows. Let's instill personal responsibility and duty in our youth, not TV victim routines when they fail to get the job done.

There are a million ways to protest. Not showing up is quitting. This might be soccer but it's still three strikes and you're out.

Regardless of what one's view on this, the misinformation is getting in the way of a discussion.

1. I've seen no evidence that she was under a contract without an option for termination. She was invited to some tournament play among "friendlies" which she accepted. I also note that this sort of shuffling from game to game is not atypical and the coach had the option of replacing her from a list of other pre-vetted players, and decided not to. And finally, reports are that her teammates respected her choice and supported it as understandable.

2. There is no indication she was protesting. She didn't appear before a crowd and advertise her disagreement (has do the flag protestors). Two weeks before the games she was notified of the uniform change and, after three days of contemplation, decided it was best to resign "for personal reasons".

3. The reasons she decided to not to play were assumed by observers to be over the gay uniforms. However, that was not confirmed until a month later in an interview with a Christian network.
 
She never demanded to be allowed to wear a different jersey. You guys apparently take the same position with soccer players as you do with bakers; bow to our demands or be punished. That's pretty much the routine now.

Good. Then put on the the Jersey. Oh wait....she quit.


Good riddance
 
Problem 1 - who decides what's wrong? ...

What if the 'strong belief' was that they should wear a patch calling for all black people being made slaves? You can say, 'oh that's obviously offensive, a straw man', but wait. Who's to say that? What if that's how they feel and they think it's a principled stand?

What if the team wears pink ribbons to support breast cancer research, and someone has a principled objection? Maybe they think women are too uppity and should be subservient and not given that attention. Maybe they think men aren't getting equal treatment. Whatever.

The point is, because it all comes down to 'opinion', and what seems obviously wrong to one person can seem right to another, there are going to be differences of opinion.

And the bottom line is that to settle this, someone does say 'that's right'. Hopefully they don't abuse the power, but that's something that happens. And a position in favor of equality, welcoming a group who has historically faced discrimination, has a good case to be the 'right' side.

Whose to decide right and wrong? Depends on the meaning of "deciding" and in what context decisions are made. Certainly every individual is capable of making a judgement of right and wrong, but if you mean a judgement can be based on nothing more than a question subjective opinion, a "gut feeling" then I think that is in error.

All the questions you raised comes down to whether or not a person is willing and capable of basing their judgements on a morally derived principle and if they are willing to apply such principles neutrally to all. For example:

- Jack says government may not prohibit the religious practice of Christians. Why? Because, he says, the Christians the best folk, unlike Muslims.

- Jill says government may not prohibit the religious practice of anyone. Why? Because all people have a right express their conscious.

Jack's judgement is not based on a neutral moral principle and its neutral application, and its so narrow an application that its not a principle.

However, Jill's judgement is based on a higher principle and application , and is neutrally applied to all regardless of whether or not she thinks they are 'the best folk'.

Much the moralistic banter in this thread is mostly by the "Jacks" of the world, people who say "X is right because I say so" or "because I like X". And sometimes the "Jacks" are not always aware of it, couching their "gut feelings" in undefined sentimentalities that pose as saying something.

For example, if Jack says "And as for a position in favor of fraternity, welcoming individuals that have been mistreated supporting fraternal relations, is a good case to be on the right side".

The reader wonders. What does he mean in the word 'fraternity'? How is it defined? Exactly what neutral principle and neutral application is Jack advancing? Is it that only those who advance fraternity (whatever that is) should be welcome? Or that only those who have been mistreated due to their support of fraternity should be welcome? Why not others?

Anyway, the proper resolution of many of the disputes in this thread revolve around finding a robust moral principle(s) and applying them neutrally. To that end the reader should state what issues they see in this story, and find moral principles neutrally applied to all.

If, for example, a person says its okay to refuse to wear "negros should be slaves" but not "gay pride logos"...why based on what principle?
If, for example, the coach says everyone has to wear an evangelical T-Shirt, is that okay...just as gay pride logos are okay? If not, why not?
If, for example, the coach says to wear pink ribbons, is it or is it not okay to decline?

Find the moral principles in play, define them, and apply them neutrally. Therein you shall find objective moral judgement.
 
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Except that there is nothing controversial about being against breast cancer. Therein lies the difference. Nobody is for breast cancer. However, lots of people take opposing sides on issues like homosexuality, guns and abortion. Those things are better left out of sports. Just play the game. Promote your politics in a different venue.

There is nothing controversial about being in favor of gay marriage, either. Who one consenting adult chooses to love is also not political. Until the right made it political.

Did you ask the Republican Party for their permission when you chose your wife?
 
Christians were welcome on the women's team. Are you saying they have no christians?

There are some Christians who believe in gay rights. There are other Christians who don't believe in gay rights. So, the U.S. women's soccer team was advocating for the 'enlightened' Christians, no?
 
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