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Trumpsters, Can You Please Tell Me Why Michael Flynn Lied And Pleaded Guilty? Please Help Me.

How do you know he didn't lie to the FBI? Were you there?

How do you know better than Jensen, who worked at the FBI for 10 years and as a prosecutor for another 10?

Because he dropped the case.
 
Yes there was. Calls to the Russian ambassador are always monitored by our security services. Transcripts are the written copies of recorded calls.

Where are the transcripts? Flynn-Kislyak calls stay secret as requests for them grow - CNNPolitics
Yeah, I know that but they weren't played for Flynn, nor was he shown the transcripts. Really, you're claiming Flynn HEARD the tapes or read the transcripts and then told the FBIers "No I didn't say that"? Seriously?
 
Yeah, I know that but they weren't played for Flynn, nor was he shown the transcripts. Really, you're claiming Flynn HEARD the tapes or read the transcripts and then told the FBIers "No I didn't say that"? Seriously?

You are seriously saying that Flynn did not remember what he said to Kislyak? He was speaking on behalf of Trump, I think he knows what he was told to say. I never said they were played for Flynn.
 
Yeah, I know the responses will be the typical asinine, fact-free, liberal-hating nonsense, but I need a good laugh. So please break it down for me.

Please explain to me why this traitor Michael Flynn lied to the FBI to protect his fellow traitor boss Donald Trump in the first place. And then explain why Flynn pleaded guilty for lying to the FBI about it. If Flynn did nothing wrong, then why lie about it to the FBI??

And then explain to me how "Lock Her Up!" Michael Flynn is not a total ****ing hypocrite.

I just want to know how the Deep State tricked this retired 3-star general. How can someone of his standing meekly plead guilty without putting up a fight, especially when he is innocent? The Deep State is much more clever than I thought, I must say.

I need a big Trumpster brain to explain all of this to me. Much obliged!!

And why Trump fired him 24 days after appointing him his National Security Advisor.
 
"Prosecutors don't necessarily care about justice." And teachers don't care about education. And doctors don't care about health. What a messed up thing to say.


The part in quotes is what I SAID: "prosecutors don't necessarily care about justice". The second half of your response was added BY YOU---- a strawman. I never mentioned teachers or doctors. But I will add this: "liberals don't care about the truth"--- clearly.
 
You are seriously saying that Flynn did not remember what he said to Kislyak? He was speaking on behalf of Trump, I think he knows what he was told to say. I never said they were played for Flynn.
No, you're claiming they played him the tape or let him read the transcript and THEN he lied? Seriously?
 
Why do you keep denying that you have been answered? You are complaining about the answer in what I quoted.

Is the concept that he is innocent and was coerced into pleading guilty difficult?

You haven't proved that he was coerced and more importantly, you haven't proved that his coercion magically disappeared recently. Waiting . . .
 
The part in quotes is what I SAID: "prosecutors don't necessarily care about justice". The second half of your response was added BY YOU---- a strawman. I never mentioned teachers or doctors. But I will add this: "liberals don't care about the truth"--- clearly.

That's what quotation marks mean, man. After you consult a third grade workbook, support yourself. "Prosecutors don't necessarily care about justice." I'll wait.

Furthermore, be careful about quoting words that you made up, like you just did. "Liberals don't care about the truth" sounds like something that escaped your Depends.
 
You haven't proved that he was coerced and more importantly, you haven't proved that his coercion magically disappeared recently. Waiting . . .
You changed the question. Originally, you asked why he lied. This is easily answered, because he did not lie. Now you want to go into the various ways, legal and extra-legal which pressure was brought. That is a longer discussion, but not one you had asked for.

For now, you have been answered.
 
How do you know better than Jensen, who worked at the FBI for 10 years and as a prosecutor for another 10?

Because he dropped the case.

He did not drop the case, he gave his opinion and is currently a Politically appointed US Attorney. He is def hoping Trump gets re-elected to be able to cash in on this favor.
 
You changed the question. Originally, you asked why he lied. This is easily answered, because he did not lie. Now you want to go into the various ways, legal and extra-legal which pressure was brought. That is a longer discussion, but not one you had asked for.

For now, you have been answered.

Which lies are we talking about? The lies to Pence, FBI or Judge Sullivan?
 
Any evidence to back that up with?

Of course not... TDS.




Any evidence to back that up with?

Of course not... TDS.





So, you disregard what the 2 investigators who actually interviewed Flynn said (that they didn't think he was being deceptive and didn't think he was lying), and agree with Comey's that he was deceptive and did lie.

LMMFAO.... You should be part of a medical case study into the effects of TDS so we can find some way of treating the disease and eventually finding a cure for it.

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For #1 -- It's the logical connection to make. Trump most likely told Flynn to lie.

For #2 -- the answer is an emphatic YES, since Flynn pleaded guilty. Breathtakingly stupid question.

For #3 -- Trump supporters are the ones who suffer TDS, since you believe Trump is God and does no wrong. It's quite pathetic, watching you all twist yourselves in knots trying to rationalize all this bull****.

And the sad thing is that you all don't believe what you are posting, either. You just can't help yourself. Hatred of liberals comes first before all rational thought, so you must disagree with us no matter what.

Being a Trump supporter is obviously demoralizing to body and soul. It ain't worth it.
 
^^this said after it was revealed that they threatened Flynn with going after his son.^^

I think I'm going to go look for someone who actually has a spine for debate.

Says the one running away, who can't come up with a reason why Flynn pleaded guilty and why he lied to the FBI.

If I was on such shaky ground, I would run away, too.
 
Why were you exchanging with KWO in the first place? He doesn't do debate.


You are a fine one to be talking. The two are barely connected. The second is months, all of his life savings, the value of his home and other considerations, after the first.

Engage your brain and think it through. Viola, you have an innocent man coerced into pleading guilty. Now he is able to prove that he was indeed innocent, but you seem to think that is unimportant. Not a good beginning if you believe in the rule of law.

Of course, if you are a cult member, keep objecting that he pleaded guilty. That's what the talking point memo has for this week.

You don't know the meaning of the word debate. You just deny facts, like Diesel said. It's pitiful as ****.

Flynn lied. He pleaded guilty for lying. Mike Pence also said Flynn lied to him. Those are facts. Your demented Deep State Trump world does not change those facts, no matter how much you hold your breath and whine about it.
 
Says the one running away, who can't come up with a reason why Flynn pleaded guilty and why he lied to the FBI.

If I was on such shaky ground, I would run away, too.

Took you long enough to grow that organ, only to come back with less of a point than you started with.

Though I'm sorry to point it out, but you ran away with your tail tucked between your legs from nearly the start and had you started this discussion with even a simply intent on intellectual debate, you would've faired much better.

It's already been revealed that a guilty plea was muscled out of him and even now we're probably going to see this case dropped because they had nothing on him to begin with.

You're shooting yourself in the foot every time you say "but ma guilty plea" and it's getting pathetic.

So come back with a better response if you want to be taken seriously.
 
Good. You understand that pleading guilty is not the same thing as lying to the FBI. Well done. You get a gold star on your homework.

Gen Flynn did not lie to the FBI and he has proven it.

He proved it by pleading guilty? LOL. This is some crazy ass ****. I guess it makes sense in the Deep State. It's like arguing with someone who says the sky isn't blue. Truly pitiful.
 
The OP was put up three days ago.. so years is not the best of things to claim.

He means why Jay59 hasn't been able to address for 3 ****ing years why Flynn pleaded guilty. Because the only rational explanation is that Flynn did lie to the FBI.

And guess what? ****ing Mike Pence agrees with me, not you.
 
Multiple people have answered. He was coerced. Thats why even the prosecution dropped their charges. Lefties here need to stop trolling and accept the facts. The whole repeating the explain why he lied dodge tips your hats at your intelligence levels and partisan hackery. We have the FBIs hand written notes and you guys are still derping it.

You mean multiple people have responded. With opinions. With no facts. With Trump cult Deep State bull**** only. Your post is exhibit A.

That's not the same thing as answering.
 
What, that the FBI agents had to go after the man's son to force a guilty plea from him?

Yeah, you can attempt to run from that as much as you want.

There's nothing to "run" from. Because it's pure Deep State fantasy that you pulled out of your rear.

Why did Mike Pence say that Flynn lied to him? Which one of them is wrong?

You all are drowning so bad. :sinking: I'm enjoying this soooo much.
 
He was coerced and the prosecution has now dropped its case which should tell those astute members all they need to know about what was done to Flynn.

Sorry, Deep State crazy ass opinions don't count. This is a response, not an answer.

I mentored you about this a little while ago. Maybe you'll learn someday.
 
There's nothing to "run" from. Because it's pure Deep State fantasy that you pulled out of your rear.

Why did Mike Pence say that Flynn lied to him? Which one of them is wrong?

You all are drowning so bad. :sinking: I'm enjoying this soooo much.

Because he lied, which is not perjury, nor against the law.

You can keep doing this childish runaround all you like. But it's only helping you look pathetic and nothing more.

How about you address this?:
The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence.

In a secrets-laundering maneuver straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook, some bright person first illegally leaked classified details to David Ignatius at the Washington Post, then agents rushed to interview Flynn about the “news.”

“The record of his conversation with Ambassador Kislyak had become widely known in the press,” is how Deputy FBI chief Andrew McCabe put it, euphemistically. “We wanted to sit down with General Flynn and understand, kind of, what his thoughts on that conversation were.”

A Laurel-and-Hardy team of agents conducted the interview, then took three weeks to write and re-write multiple versions of the interview notes used as evidence (because why record it?). They were supervised by a counterintelligence chief who then memorialized on paper his uncertainty over whether the FBI was trying to “get him to lie” or “get him fired,” worrying that they’d be accused of “playing games.” After another leak to the Washington Post in early February, 2017, Flynn actually was fired, and later pleaded guilty to lying about sanctions in the Kislyak call, the transcript of which was of course never released to either the defense or the public.

Warrantless surveillance, multiple illegal leaks of classified information, a false statements charge constructed on the razor’s edge of Miranda, and the use of never-produced, secret counterintelligence evidence in a domestic criminal proceeding – this is the “rule of law” we’re being asked to cheer.

Democrats Have Abandoned Civil Liberties - Reporting by Matt Taibbi
 
Another member demonstrates his inability to understand coercion.

Well, you've demonstrated an ability to find basic facts incomprehensible:

1) Flynn lied to the FBI

2) Flynn pleaded guilty

3) Flynn lied to Mike Pence

4) Mike Pence is a limp dick wishy washy flip flopper who is now having a change of heart about Flynn. How ****ing pathetic.

#4 is indeed a fact as well. :lamo
 
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