Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

[Somerville]

Why estimates? What's the actual number of undocumenteds in the US? The US spends money on undocumenteds for education, health care and Social Security benefits, for examples, which is more than the 5 billion asked for the wall.

How about this? Completely stop the flow of undocumenteds and resultant drain on US economy and the wall won't be needed.

Can you explain, again, why there is no crisis at the southern border?

Posted this Cato article a couple times already but since some people apparently hate doing post searches ---

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-study-fatally-flawed

FAIR’s report reaches that conclusion by vastly overstating the costs of illegal immigration, undercounting the tax revenue they generate, inflating the number of illegal immigrants, counting millions of U.S. citizens as illegal immigrants, and by concocting a method of estimating the fiscal costs that is rejected by all economists who work on this subject.

When one rejects all factual reporting on any subject - and seemingly prefers propaganda - it is impossible to discuss the matter in a rational manner.

 

[cabse5]

Hawk, bro I know you think you're super smart and all that and you have got the world by the ass and a bong, but........

Not too sure the folks around here, who do read your posts, would agree. Just sayin'...

In fact, your post sort of validates the point that you call slander.

One man's reality is another man's slander I suppose.

You realize your post was one big rhetorical point?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Excess taxes due to reducing carbon emissions is worthwhile to you.

No idea what you are referring to.

I can only deduce you don't think there is a crisis on the border, a crisis of illegal immigration.

No. Illegal immigration via the southern border has been trending down for almost 20 years. Stop watching Fox and listening to right wing blowhards on the radio.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

So, you admit the dems are resisting the wall just to make political points against Trump?

No.

Trump didn't care about the wall until Limbaugh and Coulter called him a *****. This is about not letting Limbaugh and Coulter run the country by pulling the *****'s puppet strings.

 

[cabse5]

It wasn't an issue to Trump until the right wing media had a hissy fit.

Why Fox News Made Trump Shut Down the Government

You weren't at any of Trump's campaign rallies for president, were you.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/tomdispatch-operation-streamline-immigration-enforcement-donald-trump-wall/In April 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, still in the heat of his primary campaign, stated once again that he would build a massive concrete border wall towering 30 (or, depending on the moment, 55) feet high along the 2,000 mile US-Mexican border.

 

[cabse5]

Release the hostages, then we can talk.

Which hostages?

 

[Barnacle]

No.

Trump didn't care about the wall until Limbaugh and Coulter called him a *****. This is about not letting Limbaugh and Coulter run the country by pulling the *****'s puppet strings.

What a load of BS. :lol:

The border wall has always been one of the top discussion points in Washington.
Back in August or September 2017 the talk was partial funding of the wall in exchange for DACA "protection".

I don't know about Limbaugh, but Coulter has been harping about the wall even before Trump got elected.
What changed is that the media decided recently to reference her most recent wall twitter comments in order to "create news". (grin)

 

[cabse5]

I think that there is a continuation of the usual problems endemic to the border area, and a growing refugee crisis, and I think that it is convenient to blur the distinction between refugees and illegal immigration, while I stay mindful of the fact that we nor any other country can possibly save ALL the refugees. But most countries do not intentionally blur the distinction.

For the record, I am not against building more walls. I am, however, dead set against negotiating with hostage takers, particularly when the hostage taker is Donald Trump, who will no doubt use the tactic repeatedly and with great gusto if it succeeds this first time with the Democrats.

Since the US has stated less than 5% of those applying for refugee status from those who came from the Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua caravan are possible refugee candidates, I think you are blurring the line of refugee.

Is this your refugee? The caravan member?

 

[cabse5]

Posted this Cato article a couple times already but since some people apparently hate doing post searches ---



When one rejects all factual reporting on any subject - and seemingly prefers propaganda - it is impossible to discuss the matter in a rational manner.

It is impossible to discuss this matter and the Dream Act without knowing how many undocumenteds are in the US right now. It is impossible to discuss this matter without acknowledging the drain of the US economy caused by current and future benefits given to undocumenteds.

 

[jnug]

You weren't at any of Trump's campaign rallies for president, were you.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/tomdispatch-operation-streamline-immigration-enforcement-donald-trump-wall/In April 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, still in the heat of his primary campaign, stated once again that he would build a massive concrete border wall towering 30 (or, depending on the moment, 55) feet high along the 2,000 mile US-Mexican border.

The link you posted does not contain a single quote from Trump with reference to his mystical Wall taken from either before or after his election. In truth, Trump cannot define the thing the same way twice in a row to save his skin because it exists in his head only and whatever tumbles around in that gum ball machine head of his tumbles out his mouth as well with no filter in between.

 

[jnug]

Since the US has stated less than 5% of those applying for refugee status from those who came from the Honduras, Guatemala and Nicaragua caravan are possible refugee candidates, I think you are blurring the line of refugee.

Is this your refugee? The caravan member?

You might want to take a look at the structure of that sentence.

 

[cabse5]

No idea what you are referring to.



No. Illegal immigration via the southern border has been trending down for almost 20 years. Stop watching Fox and listening to right wing blowhards on the radio.

My point is you accept suffering (at least, in the form of higher taxes, for example) for a worthwhile cause like controlling carbon emissions. You don't think border security is worthwhile?

 

[jnug]

My point is you accept suffering (at least, in the form of higher taxes, for example) for a worthwhile cause like controlling carbon emissions. You don't think border security is worthwhile?

Border Security is worthwhile. The Wall, this undefined, figment of Trump's imagination is not worth higher taxes or more properly stated "funding". No figment of Trump's imagination is worth funding.

 

[cabse5]

The link you posted does not contain a single quote from Trump with reference to his mystical Wall taken from either before or after his election. In truth, Trump cannot define the thing the same way twice in a row to save his skin because it exists in his head only and whatever tumbles around in that gum ball machine head of his tumbles out his mouth as well with no filter in between.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/tomdispatch-operation-streamline-immigration-enforcement-donald-trump-wall/In April 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, still in the heat of his primary campaign, stated once again that he would build a massive concrete border wall towering 30 (or, depending on the moment, 55) feet high along the 2,000 mile US-Mexican border.

The large print is a sample of the article written by an enemy publication of Trump (MJ) who is acknowledging Trump has wanted the wall on the southern border since 2016. Your talking point is crap. Move on.

 

[cabse5]

What a load of BS. :lol:

The border wall has always been one of the top discussion points in Washington.
Back in August or September 2017 the talk was partial funding of the wall in exchange for DACA "protection".

I don't know about Limbaugh, but Coulter has been harping about the wall even before Trump got elected.
What changed is that the media decided recently to reference her most recent wall twitter comments in order to "create news". (grin)

Lying dem talking point.

 

[humbolt]

Yes. And that immorality would fall on the left in the US and elsewhere. Additionally, deaths of sick children and all molestation should fall on the shoulders of the left in the US and elsewhere.

There are some, left and right, who define morality in political terms. Politics is a human endeavor, but only one of many.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

You weren't at any of Trump's campaign rallies for president, were you.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/tomdispatch-operation-streamline-immigration-enforcement-donald-trump-wall/In April 2016, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, still in the heat of his primary campaign, stated once again that he would build a massive concrete border wall towering 30 (or, depending on the moment, 55) feet high along the 2,000 mile US-Mexican border.

Trump actually turned down 25 billion for his ego wall last Feb. Why? It wasn't a crisis yet?

 

[cabse5]

You might want to take a look at the structure of that sentence.

Reread #108 again unless you just want to provide a grammar lesson. I've made corrections. If you want further clarification, I can provide

 

[cabse5]

Trump actually turned down 25 billion for his ego wall last Feb. Why? It wasn't a crisis yet?

So, you admit Trump only wanted the wall because of Limbaugh and Coulter is a lie?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

So, you admit Trump only wanted the wall because of Limbaugh and Coulter is a lie?

That's is only this iteration of Trump's "want". I realize this is very confusing to you. Just watch the video a few more times. The check is in the mail.

 

[cabse5]

Border Security is worthwhile. The Wall, this undefined, figment of Trump's imagination is not worth higher taxes or more properly stated "funding". No figment of Trump's imagination is worth funding.

Why is border security worthwhile?

 

[jnug]

Why is border security worthwhile?

Cute...maybe even quant. Not going to drop into your playpen.

 

[cabse5]

That's is only this iteration of Trump's "want". I realize this is very confusing to you. Just watch the video a few more times. The check is in the mail.

Say what? Are you still justifying the talking point Trump didn't want the wall until Limbaugh and Coulter wanted it?

 

[beancounter]

IMO, you are over analyzing things.

The loyal Trump supporters only had one motivation for voting for Trump - to defeat Hillary.

They don't care about anything else. Once that was achieved they turned a blind eye to everything he does, and everything he really represents because he accomplished their goal.

Now, they are in damage control mode to justify their vote, and they will say anything.

It's as simple as that.

Per the poll noted below, Trumpkins and Independents get their news from roughly the same places, and in the same proportions. I mean, really. I expect Dems and GOP-ers to get info from different places and form diametrically different conclusions based on it. However, when folks lacking party allegiance consume basically the same content as GOP-ers (Indies reported consuming info in different patterns and from different sources from Dems) and arrive at materially different conclusions, ones that more nearly align with Dems, one has to ask WTF is going on in the minds of those GOP-ers. Is there even something going on in there? Snip....

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Say what? Are you still justifying the talking point Trump didn't want the wall until Limbaugh and Coulter wanted it?

See #122.

Bye...