Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

[cabse5]

Border Security is worthwhile. The Wall, this undefined, figment of Trump's imagination is not worth higher taxes or more properly stated "funding". No figment of Trump's imagination is worth funding.

You said border security was worthwhile. I just wanted to know why you think so.

 

[cabse5]

See #122.

Bye...

I take that as a win and that, NO, Trump wanted the wall before the lying dem talking point that Limbaugh and Coulter convinced Trump to want the wall.

 

[jnug]

You said border security was worthwhile. I just wanted to know why you think so.

I don't have to explain the position. Border security is part and parcel of a country maintaining its borders. What a country decides to do to maintain its borders varies from country to country.

but be forewarned, I already see your circular argument coming and I am just not playing along.

 

[Captain America]

The link you posted does not contain a single quote from Trump with reference to his mystical Wall taken from either before or after his election. In truth, Trump cannot define the thing the same way twice in a row to save his skin because it exists in his head only and whatever tumbles around in that gum ball machine head of his tumbles out his mouth as well with no filter in between.

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[cabse5]

There are some, left and right, who define morality in political terms. Politics is a human endeavor, but only one of many.

I know some highly religious people who, for example, feel it is the responsibility of the advantaged to 'minister' to the disadvantaged. This same foreign policy belief falls on the right and left of politics.

Side note: Those on the left and right of politics may hate the ****hole country reference but they believe the country to be a ****hole country...a disadvantaged country.

 

[cabse5]

I don't have to explain the position. Border security is part and parcel of a country maintaining its borders. What a country decides to do to maintain its borders varies from country to country.

but be forewarned, I already see your circular argument coming and I am just not playing along.

You haven't given your reasons why border security is worthwhile.

 

[jnug]

You haven't given your reasons why border security is worthwhile.

Why should I fool with somebody that can't read?

 

[Barnacle]

IMO, you are over analyzing things.

The loyal Trump supporters only had one motivation for voting for Trump - to defeat Hillary.


They don't care about anything else. Once that was achieved they turned a blind eye to everything he does, and everything he really represents because he accomplished their goal.
Now, they are in damage control mode to justify their vote, and they will say anything.
It's as simple as that.

Nope;

#1 reason was: jobs, jobs, jobs ...

 

[beancounter]

Nope;

#1 reason was: jobs, jobs, jobs ...

Sure, if you believe the only jobs that matter are mining, logging and construction. And what but about the jobs that suffered a net loss?

A rising tide should lift all ships.

 

[OscarLevant]

Sorry but your polls dont support your idiotic assertions. But keep trying. Frankly, the idea that 88% democrats think the shutdown will 'hurt the country' only shows how stupid democrats are.

So, repubs don't think the shutdown will not hurt the country, as trash builds up in parks, as airline safety is diminished, and the list goes on?


Tell me repubs are not that small between the ears. Say it isn't so.

 

[Barnacle]

So, repubs don't think the shutdown will not hurt the country, as trash builds up in parks, as airline safety is diminished, and the list goes on?


Tell me repubs are not that small between the ears. Say it isn't so.

Airline safety is not diminished, it's only a liberal's wet dream.

As to the trash in public parks, it's time for the local sheriffs to bring out their men-in-stripes (grin).
Our sheriffs in all neighboring towns send out deputies and their "helpers" on a regular basis to clean up interstates, secondary roads, "country" roads and public recreation areas.

 

[Xelor]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/

Trump was right. He has complete control over that group of supporters. Not all of his supporters are that blind and daft, but the number who are is scary. "Cult" is the right word.

Red:
In some quarters, folks have begun to doubt that Trump has control over his supporters. There is growing thought that conservative media -- talk radio and television hosts -- not Trump, control Trump's supporters' predilections and approbation of Trump, his rhetoric and his policies. Some have even posited, seriously, that Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell should conduct their negotiations with conservative media hosts, not with Trump.

 

[Xelor]

IMO, you are over analyzing things.

The loyal Trump supporters only had one motivation for voting for Trump - to defeat Hillary.

They don't care about anything else. Once that was achieved they turned a blind eye to everything he does, and everything he really represents because he accomplished their goal.

Now, they are in damage control mode to justify their vote, and they will say anything.

It's as simple as that.

What is nitwittedness? It is acting contrary to sound/cogent reason. How one unsoundly/uncogently chooses to perform an action, be it via "turning a blind eye or by misassessing the germane facts and factors affecting the matter on which one acts, is of no matter as goes determining whether the action itself is sage or not.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Red:
In some quarters, folks have begun to doubt that Trump has control over his supporters. There is growing thought that conservative media -- talk radio and television hosts -- not Trump, control Trump's supporters' predilections and approbation of Trump, his rhetoric and his policies. Some have even posited, seriously, that Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell should conduct their negotiations with conservative media hosts, not with Trump.

I do realize that the right wing media ecosystem is part of that feedback loop. This shutdown is proof of that.

 

[Fletch]

So, repubs don't think the shutdown will not hurt the country, as trash builds up in parks, as airline safety is diminished, and the list goes on?


Tell me repubs are not that small between the ears. Say it isn't so.

The point was that 88% think the shutdown will hurt the country but support democrats refusal to compromise to end it. Thats stupid. And it tells you that democrats are more interested in trivial partisan victories against Trump than the good of the country. Not sure how you missed that. Its right there in the polling data.

 

[Xelor]

Some studies of the undocumented aliens in the US have found a net positive benefit for the economy. What I see as the best estimates of their numbers is in the range of 10.5 to 12 million.

Immigration and the American Worker -- A Review of the Academic Literature

• "Illegal immigrants increased GDP by $395 to$472 billion," not including the benefit to natives.
• "The immigration surplus or benefit to natives created by illegal immigrants is estimated at around $9 billion a year."

 

[calamity]

Per the poll noted below, Trumpkins and Independents get their news from roughly the same places, and in the same proportions. I mean, really. I expect Dems and GOP-ers to get info from different places and form diametrically different conclusions based on it. However, when folks lacking party allegiance consume basically the same content as GOP-ers (Indies reported consuming info in different patterns and from different sources from Dems) and arrive at materially different conclusions, ones that more nearly align with Dems, one has to ask WTF is going on in the minds of those GOP-ers. Is there even something going on in there?

What makes me say the above? Well, I read the below linked-to poll and I started thinking about what might drive, not the actual responses folks gave, but the difference in some of the answers, particularly the differences between Republicans and Independents. Seeing those differences, I realized there shouldn't be an exogenous information-oriented reason for the difference because those catalysts are essentially the same. That means the differences must preponderantly be driven by endogenous disparities among the respondents and how they process (or don't) information. That led me to posit that Trumpkins are some stupid, intransigent, gullible-ass "mofos."

Read the poll for yourself:

• Vast Majority of Americans Frustrated, Embarrassed by the Shutdown, Support Back Pay for Federal Workers

Some additional inferences I've drawn from the above noted poll:

• Republicans who are well-informed about the shutdown are comparatively rare. More than half of Republicans know little or nothing about the shutdown. What do you want to wager that more than half of GOP-ers have an opinion on the matter, even as they aren't well-informed about it?
  • Poll: How much have you seen, heard or read about the recent shutdown of portions of the federal government?
    • A lot:
      • Dems --> 60%
      • GOP-ers --> 47%
      • Indies --> 53%
    • Xelor: Concomitant with their relative ignorance about the shutdown and apparent disregard for Trump's dissembling, Republicans found Trump's Oval Office address convincing about the verisimility of a southern border crisis, even though Trump didn't in his address reveal anything noteworthy and new.
      • Poll: President Trump's speech convinced me there is a crisis on the Southern border.
        • Dems --> 21% agree
        • GOP-ers --> 66% agree
        • Indies --> 32% agree
• Trump's claim that the furloughed and unpaid-yet-essential workers are mostly Democrats appears not to hold water.
  • Poll: Are you, or someone in your immediate family a federal employee or contractor and was furloughed without pay?
    • Dems --> 5%
    • GOP-ers --> 5%
• Republicans are relatively more insouciant than Dems about the consequences of the shutdown.
  • Poll: The government shutdown is going to hurt our country.
    • Dems --> 88% agree
    • GOP-ers --> 53% agree
    • Indies --> 71% agree

Stupid is at the top of the list. That is followed by extreme hatred of everyone not White, straight, pro-life, fervently evangelical, pro-gun and anti-immigrant. Next is more stupidity. And last is this belief that they are right and anyone who disagrees is a commie. Again, being stupid plays the main role in all of that.

 

[humbolt]

I know some highly religious people who, for example, feel it is the responsibility of the advantaged to 'minister' to the disadvantaged. This same foreign policy belief falls on the right and left of politics.

Side note: Those on the left and right of politics may hate the ****hole country reference but they believe the country to be a ****hole country...a disadvantaged country.

I'm not among those who feel morally superior. In fact, I've found that many of the disadvantaged have a better moral sense than our "elites" here do.

 

[Xelor]

Stupid is at the top of the list. That is followed by extreme hatred of everyone not White, straight, pro-life, fervently evangelical, pro-gun and anti-immigrant. Next is more stupidity. And last is this belief that they are right and anyone who disagrees is a commie. Again, being stupid plays the main role in all of that.

I'd add intellectual (or other) indolence to your "list." To wit, if you've developed an awareness of what members on DP are Trump supporters (not Republicans in general, but specifically Trump disciples), peruse this thread, noting which of them remarked on the actual thread topic and which of them, apparently because they saw poll questions and responses pertaining to the shutdown, opted to discuss the shutdown/wall, which is isn't even a foil for the actual thread topic, rather than the actual thread topic.

 

[cabse5]

Why should I fool with somebody that can't read?

I assume you don't have personal reasons for border security or those reasons aren't important enough to deter other goals.

 

[cabse5]

I'm not among those who feel morally superior. In fact, I've found that many of the disadvantaged have a better moral sense than our "elites" here do.

Another side note: There seems to be an inordinate amount of political elitism going on in the country stemming from establishing rules that elites don't seem to have to follow.

 

[humbolt]

Another side note: There seems to be an inordinate amount of political elitism going on in the country stemming from establishing rules that elites don't seem to have to follow.

Rules are for thee - not for me.

So, if you take some relatively innocuous photos inside one of our subs, you're going to jail. If you're SOS, you can strip classification headers off even top secret information and send it unsecured across the internet, and run for president without hindrance. Seems fair. :roll:

 

[cabse5]

Rules are for thee - not for me.

So, if you take some relatively innocuous photos inside one of our subs, you're going to jail. If you're SOS, you can strip classification headers off even top secret information and send it unsecured across the internet, and run for president without hindrance. Seems fair. :roll:

You can't be racist but I can be racist against whites. You can't be sexist but I can be sexist against men. You can't be fascist but I can act like a fascist.

These elitist breaking of rules is applicable to more than the rich and powerful. That's why I say elitism is rampant.

 

[marke]

Per the poll noted below, Trumpkins and Independents get their news from roughly the same places, and in the same proportions. I mean, really. I expect Dems and GOP-ers to get info from different places and form diametrically different conclusions based on it. However, when folks lacking party allegiance consume basically the same content as GOP-ers (Indies reported consuming info in different patterns and from different sources from Dems) and arrive at materially different conclusions, ones that more nearly align with Dems, one has to ask WTF is going on in the minds of those GOP-ers. Is there even something going on in there?

What makes me say the above? Well, I read the below linked-to poll and I started thinking about what might drive, not the actual responses folks gave, but the difference in some of the answers, particularly the differences between Republicans and Independents. Seeing those differences, I realized there shouldn't be an exogenous information-oriented reason for the difference because those catalysts are essentially the same. That means the differences must preponderantly be driven by endogenous disparities among the respondents and how they process (or don't) information. That led me to posit that Trumpkins are some stupid, intransigent, gullible-ass "mofos."

Read the poll for yourself:

• Vast Majority of Americans Frustrated, Embarrassed by the Shutdown, Support Back Pay for Federal Workers

Some additional inferences I've drawn from the above noted poll:

• Republicans who are well-informed about the shutdown are comparatively rare. More than half of Republicans know little or nothing about the shutdown. What do you want to wager that more than half of GOP-ers have an opinion on the matter, even as they aren't well-informed about it?
  • Poll: How much have you seen, heard or read about the recent shutdown of portions of the federal government?
    • A lot:
      • Dems --> 60%
      • GOP-ers --> 47%
      • Indies --> 53%
    • Xelor: Concomitant with their relative ignorance about the shutdown and apparent disregard for Trump's dissembling, Republicans found Trump's Oval Office address convincing about the verisimility of a southern border crisis, even though Trump didn't in his address reveal anything noteworthy and new.
      • Poll: President Trump's speech convinced me there is a crisis on the Southern border.
        • Dems --> 21% agree
        • GOP-ers --> 66% agree
        • Indies --> 32% agree
• Trump's claim that the furloughed and unpaid-yet-essential workers are mostly Democrats appears not to hold water.
  • Poll: Are you, or someone in your immediate family a federal employee or contractor and was furloughed without pay?
    • Dems --> 5%
    • GOP-ers --> 5%
• Republicans are relatively more insouciant than Dems about the consequences of the shutdown.
  • Poll: The government shutdown is going to hurt our country.
    • Dems --> 88% agree
    • GOP-ers --> 53% agree
    • Indies --> 71% agree

Deluded socialist democrats think all Americans agree with their atheist agenda and if they don't they are crazy. Such delusions have driven these unhinged Bolsheviks to try to overthrow the US government in the name of democrat progress.

 

[calamity]

A picture says a thousand words.

Family, sycophants and Fox News losers

Ladies and gentlemen, the world as led by Trump and his idiotic voters.