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Trump...wants to keep...cruise passengers on the ship so... virus #s dont go up

I think a bunch of US passengers on a US ship that left a US port kinda counts as infections in the US already.

And everyone should note that of the thousands of people on the ship, 21 are positive, but ONLY 46 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TESTED.

These people need to get off that ship ASAP and get quarantined instead of being forced to live in a giant Petri dish.
 
Harshaw said:
I didn't suggest any such thing.

I said, plainly, that it was supposedly outrageous that infected (and non-infected) people from that ship were brought into this country, but now it's also supposedly outrageous that infected people from that ship are being kept out of the country.

Everything you said here was also true of the people who were flown home. But it was still an outrage.

So is it outrageous to bring infected people into the country, or isn't it?
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You're not differentiating between infected and non-infected people. There are established protocols for dealing with people who may have been exposed vs those who test positive for the virus. Follow those established protocols and you can expect the best possible outcomes.

Trump did not establish those protocols, have the right to take credit for those protocols, nor does he have the right to override those protocols. Let the professionals do their jobs.
 
Moderate Right said:
Funny how you guys say you want to release all of these passengers out in the public to spread the virus everywhere and then you make other posts about how bad Trump is doing in containing the virus.
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Liberals are walking contradictions.
 
Trump wants millions of Americans to die.
That's why he's so desperate to keep them on board a ship that hasn't docked yet, that's why he keeps toilet tweeting about "the numbers" and that is why he's frantically projecting about how "Democrats did this to me and they want people to die"...pure projection of the very thing that is on his own deranged mind.

If you tell Trump the truth about a crisis, ANY crisis, he gets angrier and angrier, then he shows you the door and replaces you with someone who won't contradict him.

The thing is, a virus doesn't care what Trump thinks and it doesn't care how angry he gets.
He is 100% incapable of getting rid of this with talking points.

And he can't profit off it either.
 
Moderate Right said:
Funny how you guys say you want to release all of these passengers out in the public to spread the virus everywhere and then you make other posts about how bad Trump is doing in containing the virus.
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Us guys???



Spin that, Skippy.

The liberal plot to make Republicans look stupid, also known as "Operation Just Let Them Speak", is working splendidly.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Us guys???



Spin that, Skippy.

The liberal plot to make Republicans look stupid, also known as "Operation Just Let Them Speak", is working splendidly.
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Of course! And if we can manage to infect 'everyone' as this knucklehead suggests, the death toll would only be around 210 million people at 3% mortality. We'd probably have all the dead buried before election day, right? Hell, that's less than three times the worldwide death toll of WWII (85 million).
 
Stealers Wheel said:
You're not differentiating between infected and non-infected people. There are established protocols for dealing with people who may have been exposed vs those who test positive for the virus. Follow those established protocols and you can expect the best possible outcomes.

Trump did not establish those protocols, have the right to take credit for those protocols, nor does he have the right to override those protocols. Let the professionals do their jobs.
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Well, as you're clearly responding to someone who said something entirely other than what I said, I'll leave you to it.
 
HumblePi said:
Both Biden, Sanders and Trump should get a clue -- stop the massive rallies for the sake of the health and safety of Americans. Imagine how man people could become infected at a rally?

Just five days ago:

Trump defends holding campaign rallies during coronavirus outbreak: ‘I think it’s very safe’

Coronavirus: Trump defends holding rallies during outbreak

President Donald Trump on Monday brushed off concerns that holding rallies presents a public health risk, even as companies are canceling major events and restricting travel.

“These were set up a long time ago,” Trump told reporters Monday during his White House meeting with Colombian President Ivan Duque.

“And you could ask that to the Democrats, because they’re having a lot of rallies, they’re all having rallies, they’re campaigning,” he added. “I think it’s safe, I think it’s very safe.”

Democratic candidates have yet to cancel their major rallies and events as the field of candidates continues to shrink. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., held a rally Sunday in a region of northern California that has reported a few infections of the virus.

Trump, meantime, held a rally Friday night in North Charleston, South Carolina, a day ahead of the state’s Democratic primaries. He is scheduled to hold one Monday night in Charlotte, North Carolina, the night before that state’s Super Tuesday primary. The GOP will hold its nominating convention in late August in Charlotte.
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I don't have any problem with people getting sick at Trump rallies. I mean the problem with that gene pool is there is no lifeguard.
 
Utility Man said:
:shock:
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Now we know why cases have been popping-up in Chicagoland. A school employee contracted the disease from the contaminated ship, and then was at school for over a week? I suppose the good news is kids have much better prognosis, but that may not mean they can't be carriers.
 
Chomsky said:
As I posted in another thread, besides the human cost - Trump just sunk the economic fortunes of cruise lines, their employees, and their suppliers. Who's going to leave the country, if they think Trump won't let them back in if they get sick? Argh!
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That's absurd.
 
Roadvirus said:
That's absurd.
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Really? I suggest you watch the market guidance, earnings, and the future market values of the cruise lines.

In addition, I just saw Dr. Fauci (director, fed infectious disease center) on Fox News Sunday saying exactly what I did. He stated that as long as there were not enough test kits and entire cruise ships are subsequently getting quarantined, potential travelers have to factor in that if they leave they may not be admitted back. He's against this policy, just as I am.
 
Chomsky said:
Really? I suggest you watch the market guidance, earnings, and the future market values of the cruise lines.

In addition, I just saw Dr. Fauci (director, fed infectious disease center) on Fox News Sunday saying exactly what I did. He stated that as long as there were not enough test kits and entire cruise ships are subsequently getting quarantined, potential travelers have to factor in that if they leave they may not be admitted back. He's against this policy, just as I am.
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Realistically, you have to be a blithering idiot to go on a cruise ship this spring, especially if you are old with respiratory disease.

I dont think cruise ships companies will have a good year at all. Those things are just infectious disease incubators.
 
Threegoofs said:
Realistically, you have to be a blithering idiot to go on a cruise ship this spring, especially if you are old with respiratory disease.

I dont think cruise ships companies will have a good year at all. Those things are just infectious disease incubators.
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Yep. The fact that the government may not let you back home, freely at least, is the coup de grace - IMNSHO.

Go somewhere with 3.5K strangers, one gets sick from some contact in some port, and everyone becomes wards of the state. Do you like those odds? I don't! I wouldn't doubt if U.S. based international cruises drop by more than 50%, maybe even as high as 80% plus, maybe even 90.
 
Threegoofs said:
Realistically, you have to be a blithering idiot to go on a cruise ship this spring, especially if you are old with respiratory disease.

I dont think cruise ships companies will have a good year at all. Those things are just infectious disease incubators.
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The missus is scheduled to travel at the end of this month. The trip was planned last year. It’s a river cruise in Europe with her Canadian friend. I’m thinking it’s not looking good.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Us guys???



Spin that, Skippy.

The liberal plot to make Republicans look stupid, also known as "Operation Just Let Them Speak", is working splendidly.
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Rick Santelli is my guy! Taylor Street kid, done good! I love his analysis & his style.

And as to politics? Well, he is credited with starting the Tea-Party movement. So I wouldn't exactly call him a Dem sympathizer!
 
Rexedgar said:
The missus is scheduled to travel at the end of this month. The trip was planned last year. It’s a river cruise in Europe with her Canadian friend. I’m thinking it’s not looking good.
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I would think that if they are reasonably young and healthy, they should look for a bargain price (those European river cruises are ridiculously pricey!). If not, skip the floating Petri dish and get a car. It’s not like those rivers aren’t going places without road access...
 
Threegoofs said:
I would think that if they are reasonably young and healthy, they should look for a bargain price (those European river cruises are ridiculously pricey!). If not, skip the floating Petri dish and get a car. It’s not like those rivers aren’t going places without road access...
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I used to go along until I got my fill of the traveling public, from all nationalities. The cruises are nice for folks who want to unpack once and not have to pack up until the end. We have rented cars in the past and that mode of travel is labor intensive. When we were younger the rental was a viable option. There are advantages/drawbacks to both forms and the cost is high for the catered travel experience.....
 
Rexedgar said:
The missus is scheduled to travel at the end of this month. The trip was planned last year. It’s a river cruise in Europe with her Canadian friend. I’m thinking it’s not looking good.
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Those are a lot different than going across the Pacific on a mega-fortress holding 3500 hundred souls, all trapped together for days & weeks on end. But yeah, I can see the concern. At least the love of your life can easily disembark and fly back home solo with little problems, if she so desires. But once on one of those mega-sized international trans-oceanic cruises, everyone's in the same boat! Both figuratively, and literally!
 
Chomsky said:
Those are a lot different than going across the Pacific on a mega-fortress holding 3500 hundred souls, all trapped together for days & weeks on end. But yeah, I can see the concern. At least the love of your life can easily disembark and fly back home solo with little problems, if she so desires. But once on one of those mega-sized international trans-oceanic cruises, everyone's in the same boat! Both figuratively, and literally!
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We have done a few larger vessels with one or two days at sea between ports. There is only so much ‘gazing out to sea’ that I can do. There are folks that use some of the lines as a floating condo. They have maybe a small place somewhere and spend months and more aboard the ships. Not for me....
 
Rexedgar said:
We have done a few larger vessels with one or two days at sea between ports. There is only so much ‘gazing out to sea’ that I can do. There are folks that use some of the lines as a floating condo. They have maybe a small place somewhere and spend months and more aboard the ships. Not for me....
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Not for me, either. For many reasons, but not the least is that on vacations I am "itinerary-adverse". I hate being on others' schedules in general, but especially on a vacation.
 
Chomsky said:
Rick Santelli is my guy! Taylor Street kid, done good! I love his analysis & his style.

And as to politics? Well, he is credited with starting the Tea-Party movement. So I wouldn't exactly call him a Dem sympathizer!
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Sorry Chom, but I don't give two ****s where he grew up and I think he's an idiot.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Sorry Chom, but I don't give two ****s where he grew up and I think he's an idiot.
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Really? Well, regardless I think he's a great analyst with a great delivery. When I do finance, I'm 110% non-political. The market is a cruel mistress, and will hurt you if you have any bias or preconceptions.
 
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