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Trump signs executive orders on coronavirus economic relief

Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but you're just demonstrating that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

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". . . Reprogramming is the shifting of funds within an appropriation to purposes other than those contemplated at the time of appropriation. GAO, A Glossary of Terms Used in the Federal Budget Process, GAO-05-734SP (Washington, D.C.: Sept. 2005), at 85. More specifically, it is the application of appropriations within a particular account to purposes, or in amounts, other than those justified in the budget submissions or otherwise considered or indicated by congressional committees in connection with the enactment of appropriation legislation.50 B-323792, Jan. 23, 2012; B-164912-O.M., Dec. 21, 1977. The term “reprogramming” appears to have come into use in the mid-1950's. . . ."
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I literally just proved your claims wrong, with the constitution as citation.
 
Jack Hays said:
Well, no. I cited the relevant federal law.
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the constitution is the supreme law of the land. As I showed you, citing the constitution, your claims are demonstrably false. The constitution specifically precludes the president from suspending taxes, or appropriating funds and spending them.
 
rahl said:
the constitution is the supreme law of the land. As I showed you, citing the constitution, your claims are demonstrably false. The constitution specifically precludes the president from suspending taxes, or appropriating funds and spending them.
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Learn the law. Then get back to me.
 
Jack Hays said:
Learn the law. Then get back to me.
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I know the law. It's why I keep correcting you. He is precluded, by the constitution. from appropriating/spending and from suspending taxes.
 
rahl said:
I know the law. It's why I keep correcting you. He is precluded, by the constitution. from appropriating/spending and from suspending taxes.
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I'm not going to debate this further. You are obviously unfamiliar with established federal law and procedures.
 
Atomic Kid said:
And yet the end result of your family experiences is a profound lack of empathy, a self centered coldest coupled with extreme cruelty towards others enduring similar hardships. Especially those that were more vulnerable than your own because no matter how hard you thought you had people of color and other minorities had had it worse because they had much less to start with to contend with the same type challenges. You appear to be egomaniac, much like our President. The traits would appear to align.
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We have seen the end results of coddling people with the ongoing riots and tearing down of statues and entitlement mentality. As Dr. Phil would say, "How is that working out for you?"
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not going to debate this further. You are obviously unfamiliar with established federal law and procedures.
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yea I wouldn't continue to debate either if I had my position so thoroughly demolished. Your claims have been refuted. The constitution, as I cited, specifically precludes him from doing this. No taxes will be suspended, and no payments will be made until congress passes a bill and the president signs it.
 
rahl said:
yea I wouldn't continue to debate either if I had my position so thoroughly demolished. Your claims have been refuted. The constitution, as I cited, specifically precludes him from doing this. No taxes will be suspended, and no payments will be made until congress passes a bill and the president signs it.
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Sorry, but you're apparently too uninformed on the topic to understand how foolish you look.

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Jack Hays said:
No. You apparently can't understand it.
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no, I understand perfectly. It's why I keep refuting the silly claim you keep making. The constitution specifically precludes the president from doing this.
 
Those EO's are unfunded mandates since the President has no authority over actually Providing for the common defense or general welfare, only faithful execution of the laws passed by Congress.
 
Paradoxical said:
I come from a family of eleven. My father was an alcoholic and lost job after job. All of us children worked from about age 11 to support the bills. I had a paper route at age 12 and made $7.00 a week and gave $5.00 of that to my dad who spent much of it on booze. So, I do not need lectures from you on what it is to be poor.

Lest you think what I wrote is a complaint or for sympathy, you are 100% wrong. I wouldn't change a bit of it. Those experiences taught me what NOT to be like and taught me the value of hard work and perseverance. What has changed in the past 30 years is we have created a society (through MSM) that CLAIMS being poor and hungry should not be allowed and that society should feed the kids through taxes instead of those who had them. We are teaching that one parent families are OK instead of insisting the father pay,we are allowing them off scott free because we think feeding everyone is a way to take care of our guilt for not having any consequences of having a child or anabortion.

In any event, your snowflakery lectures are not needed. I have been there and done that and I am ever so thankful for it.
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I dont care about you and your life.
It's still stupid
 

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[FONT=&quot]". . . Trump’s measures were met with some outcry that they were an [/FONT]unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s powers[FONT=&quot] to make laws, collect taxes, and spend money. But Congress by statute delegates a great deal of authority to the president to work out the details about how certain laws should be executed, and presidents of both parties have used executive orders to do so. President Barack Obama used an executive memorandum to create the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which directed federal agencies to exercise their discretion to refrain from deporting certain undocumented immigrants. Governors have used executive orders throughout the pandemic to order shutdowns across their states, mostly prevailing against legal challenges. . . . "[/FONT]
 
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Plasmaball said:
I dont care about you and your life.
It's still stupid
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You never did like facts. Emotions, hyperbole and snowflakery is for you. I get it. I really do.

Someone has real life experience actually BEING poor and you haven't......but you think you know more than me about it because you heard something about kids going hungry (they really aren't). Keep reading those leftist reports of "hungry" kids and weeping and demanding anyone but you pay for their meals.
 
Logician Man said:
prove it with credible/verifiable links. If not, dismissed as personal opinion only.
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And your point is? You have nothing but "personal opinions".

There is no link required to show that she cannot muster sufficient support to get her pork laden proposal passed. Facts need no link.

Where I come from, that called "impotent". From where you come from, she's doing a bang-up job.
 
smallvoice said:
and yet the Speaker of the House can't get it done...
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Huh? The house passed the heroes act months ago. Senate republicans refuse to even allow it to
The floor for a debate. This is entirely the fault of republicans, like the majority of the problems this country has.
 
rahl said:
Huh? The house passed the heroes act months ago. Senate republicans refuse to even allow it to
The floor for a debate. This is entirely the fault of republicans, like the majority of the problems this country has.
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A decent politician would rewrite their BS bill to get it passed in the Senate. That is entirely the fault of the Democrats.
 
smallvoice said:
A decent politician would rewrite their BS bill to get it passed in the Senate. That is entirely the fault of the Democrats.
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Again, the senate won’t even bring it to the floor for debate. That is entirely on republicans. The house did its job. The senate republicans are playing politics with the lives and financial well-being of Americans. And they are going to get their asses handed to them in the 2020 election.
 
rahl said:
Again, the senate won’t even bring it to the floor for debate. That is entirely on republicans. The house did its job. The senate republicans are playing politics with the lives and financial well-being of Americans. And they are going to get their asses handed to them in the 2020 election.
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There is a reason Senate won’t even bring it to the floor for debate. I told you what it was. THe ball is in Nancy's court.
 
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