Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities

[Tanngrisnir]

no of course not but I have been repeatedly told by many many Dem supporters that there are no issues with the Illegal immigrants that come over the border, so I see no problem with that, or allowing them to go to areas that need their help to prosper and want them to come there.

But Donnie Moscow thinks they're rapists, murderers, terrorists and animals, and you're cool with people that he thinks are dangerous being let into cities to murder people.

And you're down with that.

Sad, how some people want to see other people murdered.

 

[sjmay]

LOL! You can prance and spaz-dance all you'd like, but it won't make you assertion magically come true. There is no evidence that what Obama proposed was to exact revenge, nor can you offer any.

It's just your magical thinking on full display.

And that's fun!

And yet, there's no evidence that Trump proposed was to exact revenge either, yet, your magical thinking is on full display here.....

Kinda interesting how that works...

 

[JasperL]

But how is it retaliation from the point of view of the state and local governments that are welcoming these people with open arms and believe that the presence of so many immigrants is a cultural and economic boon? Isn't it the most ineffective form of "retaliation" in the world, HumblePi?

Same way it would be retaliation if we dumped them all onto a dairy farm in Iowa that's full of illegal labor. If they like having illegals working for them, why not give them 1,000 illegals, should be fine. The odds are approaching 100% that Rep. Nunes' family farm could use a couple hundred illegals to help out the illegals doing the dairy work for his family.

 

[sjmay]

But Donnie Moscow thinks they're rapists, murderers, terrorists and animals, and you're cool with people that he thinks are dangerous being let into cities to murder people.

And you're down with that.

Sad, how some people want to see other people murdered.

And you are not, it's amazing how that's changed.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

And yet, there's no evidence that Trump proposed was to exact revenge either, yet, your magical thinking is on full display here.....

Kinda interesting how that works...

But, of course, there is. That you're willfully, gleefully ignorant of it isn't my problem.

 

[Hypothetical]

That doesn't matter so long as it's for petty revenge tactics against Democrats.

not revenge, its a simple case that sometimes if you want someone to REALLY understand the situation you are speaking of , you have to whack them in the head with it. you can't get through to radicals otherwise.

 

[sjmay]

But, of course, there is. That you're willfully, gleefully ignorant of it isn't my problem.

LOL oh wait, so evidence is....someone thinks so....

Got it.

Any other evidence, that someone thinking it is?

 

[Ikari]

not revenge, its a simple case that sometimes if you want someone to REALLY understand the situation you are speaking of , you have to whack them in the head with it. you can't get through to radicals otherwise.

...so does that mean Antifa has the right idea, trying to knock white supremacists and neo-nazis in the head?

lol

 

[Taylor]

The motivation is what's wrong. The motivation is purely political retribution, nothing else.

Why don't you want illegal immigrants in your city?

 

[Hypothetical]

But Donnie Moscow thinks they're rapists, murderers, terrorists and animals, and you're cool with people that he thinks are dangerous being let into cities to murder people.

And you're down with that.

Sad, how some people want to see other people murdered.

but we have been assured that that is not the case, by the Dems and their supporters. in fact there have been reprimands placed upon people who say otherwise that they are racists, so I can't see how we are killing anyone. these cities must have a plan,as they are very eager to get these undocumented workers.

I am not seeing the negative you're speaking of.

 

[Hypothetical]

...so does that mean Antifa has the right idea, trying to knock white supremacists and neo-nazis in the head?

lol

not literally , no .. that would be a crime. figuratively.

 

[JasperL]

Is it really there?

You propose that, as something he would be against.....yet, sanctuary cities are not against illegal aliens, correct?

Neither are about 10,000 or more U.S. employers like TRUMP. So dump them into a bunch of hotel chains that hire illegals as maids. That's a twofer - the illegals can clean AND they'll have nice beds in the hotels. Trump can put them to work pulling weeds on his golf courses and house them in some of his on-site lodging, since he's not against illegal aliens either.

 

[sjmay]

Neither are about 10,000 or more U.S. employers like TRUMP. So dump them into a bunch of hotel chains that hire illegals as maids. That's a twofer - the illegals can clean AND they'll have nice beds in the hotels. Trump can put them to work pulling weeds on his golf courses and house them in some of his on-site lodging, since he's not against illegal aliens either.

Well he did want to dump them in sanctuary cities, I assume most of them have hotels and golf clubs,

Yet people like you think that's a horrible idea for some reason...

 

[JasperL]

These illegals are bussed all over the country. What is wrong with sending where they are wanted? Other than liberals crying NIMBY, I dont see the problem with the proposal.

I agree - send them to Trump properties, or hotels, slaughter houses, dairy farms like the Nunes family owns in Iowa. They want illegals, so send them to those businesses that hire them. You got my point exactly! Other than businesses crying NIMBY, I don't see the problem.

 

[Ikari]

not literally , no .. that would be a crime. figuratively.

Ahh, so using humans as pawns in a game of political revenge is OK though, yeah? Cause...gotta beat them over the head.

 

[Hypothetical]

I agree - send them to Trump properties, or hotels, slaughter houses, dairy farms like the Nunes family owns in Iowa. They want illegals, so send them to those businesses that hire them. You got my point exactly! Other than businesses crying NIMBY, I don't see the problem.

why do you not want to send them to entire cities where they would not have as much of an impact and are needed?

 

[apdst]

[h=1]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities[/h]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The Trump administration pressured the Department of Homeland Security to release immigrants detained at the southern border into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats who oppose President Donald Trump's plans for a border wall, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN on Thursday.

Trump personally pushed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to follow through on the plan, the source said. Nielsen resisted and the DHS legal team eventually produced an analysis that killed the plan, which was first reported by The Washington Post.

The proposal is another example of Trump's willingness to enact hardline immigration policies to deliver on border security, a key issue for his political base. Thursday's reports come as the President has amplified his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks, even threatening to close the southern border if Congress and Mexico don't take action.
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Trump planned retaliation to sanctuary cities and asked Kristjen Nielson to release immigrants they captured released into sanctuary cities. No doubt this was Stephen Miller's plan and propaganda for the upcoming 2020 election. DHS said 'no, that's illegal'.

"These are human beings, not game pieces," the official said.

They want sanctuary cities. They should be happy to take all the illegals that cross the border.

 

[Hypothetical]

Ahh, so using humans as pawns in a game of political revenge is OK though, yeah? Cause...gotta beat them over the head.

no its not a game, they need to see there is a crisis. its not about revenge,. it's about getting things done that radicals , of which there appear to be a lot of nowadays, refuse to go along with for the stupidest reasons on the planet.. otherwise.. why is it a problem to do what we are saying?

 

[Ikari]

no its not a game, they need to see there is a crisis. its not about revenge,. it's about getting things done that radicals , of which there appear to be a lot of nowadays, refuse to go along with otherwise.

This is revenge. Trump doesn't like to be told no, and when he is, he behaves like a petulant child. He's using people to play political games and try to get revenge against Democrats who told him no.

 

[JasperL]

Well he did want to dump them in sanctuary cities, I assume most of them have hotels and golf clubs,

Yet people like you think that's a horrible idea for some reason...

Well, lots of non-sanctuary cities have hotels and farms, and landscape companies, and slaughterhouses and construction companies that hire tons of illegal labor, so why not send them to those cities, and specifically to those companies, since they all want illegals?

The problem is sanctuary cities aren't f'ing hypocrites on the subject, like Trump and Nunes, and lots of others on the right are. Their donors love illegal labor because they are cheap, reliable and work hard. Trump's properties hired them and knew they were illegal and of course no one cared - they welcomed them with bear hugs because they made Trump MONEY. And so instant background check FAILED to pass the GOP House last summer - didn't make it to a vote in fact, killed in committee. Then right wing assholes have the hypocritical gall to blame "sanctuary cities" for not treating the same people employed by POTUS and lots of GOP donors as vermin and targeting them for deportation.

 

[Hypothetical]

This is revenge. Trump doesn't like to be told no, and when he is, he behaves like a petulant child. He's using people to play political games and try to get revenge against Democrats who told him no.

proof please. not sure why this isn't a great solution.. i know if you think it overwhelms the cities, then lets send them only to STATES that sponsor sanctuary cities.
then lets see how quick this crisis gets solved.

its about taking action, not revenge.

 

[sjmay]

Well, lots of non-sanctuary cities have hotels and farms, and landscape companies, and slaughterhouses and construction companies that hire tons of illegal labor, so why not send them to those cities, and specifically to those companies, since they all want illegals?

The problem is sanctuary cities aren't f'ing hypocrites on the subject, like Trump and Nunes, and lots of others on the right are. Their donors love illegal labor because they are cheap, reliable and work hard. Trump's properties hired them and knew they were illegal and of course no one cared - they welcomed them with bear hugs because they made Trump MONEY. And so instant background check FAILED to pass the GOP House last summer - didn't make it to a vote in fact, killed in committee. Then right wing assholes have the hypocritical gall to blame "sanctuary cities" for not treating the same people employed by POTUS and lots of GOP donors as vermin and targeting them for deportation.

Sure,

Choice remains the same,

You can A. keep them locked up until their hearing, separating familes,

You can B. send them to sanctuary cities until their hearings...

You seem to be ok with choosing A.

 

[Ikari]

proof please. not sure why this isn't a great solution.. i know if you think it overwhelms the cities, then lets send them only to STATES that sponsor sanctuary cities.
then lets see how quick this crisis gets solved.

You don't see how using human beings as pawns in political games to revenge against your enemies isn't a great solution?

 

[Bullseye]

[h=1]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities[/h]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The Trump administration pressured the Department of Homeland Security to release immigrants detained at the southern border into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats who oppose President Donald Trump's plans for a border wall, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN on Thursday.

Trump personally pushed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to follow through on the plan, the source said. Nielsen resisted and the DHS legal team eventually produced an analysis that killed the plan, which was first reported by The Washington Post.

The proposal is another example of Trump's willingness to enact hardline immigration policies to deliver on border security, a key issue for his political base. Thursday's reports come as the President has amplified his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks, even threatening to close the southern border if Congress and Mexico don't take action.
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Trump planned retaliation to sanctuary cities and asked Kristjen Nielson to release immigrants they captured released into sanctuary cities. No doubt this was Stephen Miller's plan and propaganda for the upcoming 2020 election. DHS said 'no, that's illegal'.

"These are human beings, not game pieces," the official said.

Isn't the mantra of these sanctuary cites "everyone is welcome here"? So Trump is just helping them out.

 

[Hypothetical]

You don't see how using human beings as pawns in political games to revenge against your enemies isn't a great solution?

lol no I don't see it as revenge. I see it as a good solution and a way to get people off their asses to solve a tough problem.