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Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities

Do you understand the difference between the short term and the long term and how the expenses of caring for the immigrants are what is felt in the short term and their may not be a long term as there is with other immigrants?

Or is the problem that you willfully blind yourself to seeing there is a difference and it has nothing to do with ones liberalism or conservatism?


SO THERE IS A NEGATIVE to illegal immigration IS that what you are saying?

well damn, NOW we are going to need to know JUST how long it will take to recoup this short term loss, how long 'short term' is defined as, etc,etc... before we can make a good decision as to whether ILLEGAL immigrants should be ALLOWED to come in our country huh? since there IS a DOWNSIDE after all...

care to get some numbers on that so we can make an informed decision? it may take a few new studies or so... until then , I'm afraid we really should go with A) no illegal immigrants allowed in or B) release them to cities/states who want to take on the short term burden but long term gain... I mean you are not suggesting our country take on the burden without a proper understanding of WHAT impact that will have, right? I mean since there is a legal way to immigrate to the US and all.
 
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It's political RETALIATION, what's so difficult to understand? As one DHS official said, "these are human beings, not game pieces". Kristjen Nielson KNEW it was ILLEGAL and refused to do it, why do you think she was fired??

Who cares about the reason, it's a good thing isn't it?
Don't look at it as retaliation.
Look at it as giving you what you want.

What's illegal about it?
 
I agree - send them to Trump properties, or hotels, slaughter houses, dairy farms like the Nunes family owns in Iowa. They want illegals, so send them to those businesses that hire them. You got my point exactly! Other than businesses crying NIMBY, I don't see the problem.

So you have no problem with it then
 
Who cares about the reason, it's a good thing isn't it?
Don't look at it as retaliation.
Look at it as giving you what you want.

What's illegal about it?

I think people have been trying to get answers to those questions throughout this entire thread. The truth is, liberals hate the idea because Trump came up with it and it exposes them as hypocrites.
 
SO THERE IS A NEGATIVE to illegal immigration IS that what you are saying?

well damn, NOW we are going to need to know JUST how long it will take to recoup this short term loss, how long 'short term' is defined as, etc,etc... before we can make a good decision as to whether ILLEGAL immigrants should be ALLOWED to come in our country huh? since there IS a DOWNSIDE after all...

care to get some numbers on that so we can make an informed decision? it may take a few new studies or so... until then , I'm afraid we really should go with A) no illegal immigrants allowed in or B) release them to cities/states who want to take on the short term burden but long term gain... I mean you are not suggesting our country take on the burden without a proper understanding of WHAT impact that will have, right? I mean since there is a legal way to immigrate to the US and all.

I am asking you if you understand the difference between the short term and the long term and how the expenses of caring for the immigrants are what is felt in the short term and their may not be a long term as there is with other immigrants?
 
Do understand how to answer a direct question?

Yes - do you?

I am answering your question using the Socratic method. Do you understand how that works and why it is used?
 
I am asking you if you understand the difference between the short term and the long term and how the expenses of caring for the immigrants are what is felt in the short term and their may not be a long term as there is with other immigrants?

I'm sorry no, I can't understand the syntax of that sentence fully... it's somewhat messed up... but it appears to me you are saying there may be a downside to illegal immigration.
 
Yes - do you?

I am answering your question using the Socratic method. Do you understand how that works and why it is used?

NO, you are dodging my question because you cant answer it honestly.
 
Im not really following the complaint by the left here either.

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He's using immigrants as retaliation. That you cant see it is not surprising.
 
So someone "talked" about this issue and it was not taken seriously and led to a total of zero proposals or actions?

We should all be quite familiar with that experience around here.

“Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true.”

Yes, that. They're corrupt and, frankly, stupid enough to have actually suggested it and discussed it. Never said anything came of it.
 
Trump reason for wanted to this was political payback against his perceived enemies. And that is rarely a good maker of public policy.

Don't expect right wing knuckledraggers to get your point. They are incapable. Their collective IQ is single digits.
 
Suitably and maliciously mean to who?

He probably believes - because he hates immigrants so much - that letting a few asylum seekers in will harm those sanctuary cities. As with his proposal to withhold aid from places that didn't vote for him, in his twisted feeble mind, he thinks it's a punishment.
 
I hear a lot of gnashing of teeth about "its illegal". What is legal about a sanctuary city and disobeying current immigration policy?

Stating its about getting the liberals, if the liberals were obeying the laws already on the books and not flouting them there wouldn't be an issue to begin with.
 
how do you know his mind? how does an unnamed source know his mind? do you have proof this is his reasoning?

it seems perfectly logical to me. the whole democrat point about illegal aliens is that they help the economies of the places that need cheap labor, so why not send them to the places that have declared they want them?

I think we all know mean-spirited d1cks because we've all met them. Trump displays his foul character every time he goes on TV. We've all seen what a jerk he is. This is the sort of thing jerks do.
 
You know, the easier solution is to do what Obama did in '14 when faced with the same growing problem. Among other things, Obama hired more judges to clear the judicial backlog quicker. The faster their cases are adjudicated, the faster they are legalized or deported, as the case may be.

Agreed, Democrats torpedoed that though....

But let me ask you this, where did the catch and release immigrants, go, once they were released, during Obama's years?
 
I think we all know mean-spirited d1cks because we've all met them. Trump displays his foul character every time he goes on TV. We've all seen what a jerk he is. This is the sort of thing jerks do.

so basically you are claiming your intuition is a believable source?
 
Who cares about the reason, it's a good thing isn't it?
Don't look at it as retaliation.
Look at it as giving you what you want.

What's illegal about it?

How are these people supposed to get immigration judges to hear their cases at the courts at their points of entry if they're in New York or Chicago?
 
Trump wants to catch and detain them all in detention centers until their case comes up for review in front of an immigration judge, then deport them if they don't meet the criteria for obtaining legal entry and a visa. There are four major categories of immigrant visas: family reunification, long-term workers, special immigrants and refugee admissions. There's just no amount of detention centers that could possibly hold these many immigrants for months at a time.

Let's look at what's been done so far. Trump tried to prosecute all adults crossing the border illegally, and had to abandon it in the (understandable) firestorm over the resulting family separations. He’s tried to jawbone Mexico into helping, with some success, although migrants are still traveling through Mexico in large numbers. He’s tried to tighten up asylum policy, but been blocked in the courts. He’s tried to get Congress to fix the rules for dealing with migrants, to no avail. And, of course, he’s tried to build a wall.

It's way overdo, but the U.S. really needs to start at square one. In my opinion, this should be a dual-pronged approach. The first is to deal with the immediate crisis of course. Add more border patrol, increase the number of immigration judges at the borders in order to speed up the process, and run those courts on a 24 hr/7 day a week status until the backlog of immigrants waiting in detention has been lessened. I worked 12 hour shifts, why shouldn't a handful of judges at each border city do the same for the time being anyway? They need to get the masses of people processed quickly and given either a temporary visa or a bus ticket back south.

The other prong is the more intensive but in the long run will result in less people seeking asylum. I would create a consortium, a 'think-tank' so to speak. In addition to experts in Latin America politics like John Coatsworth from Colombia University who is an expert in Latin American political and economic history, or James Mahon from Williams College-another expert in Latin American political economics. I'd put several corporate business owners on that committee and former and current Ambassadors from El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala PLUS the Ambassadors from those countries to the U.S. Then add some people that represent human rights organizations like NISGUA in Guatemala a non-profit organization that offers support for the oppressed people in Guatemala.

You get the idea. Convening a commission on Central America immigration and bringing this think tank together to sit there until solutions are worked out will address the root causes of the problems these people are facing that are forcing them to leave their homes. The problem of illegal immigration has been a ball that's been kicked down the road by the past six presidents. For some reason they're afraid to look the problems square in the face and address them. If a dictatorial and corrupt government is stealing everything from the people - then the U.S. has to be the boss and force them to change their ways, clean up their countries' crimes and work on job creation and create more economic stability for the people in their own country. The longer the U.S. procrastinates and focuses on only stomping out the immediate fires created by massive immigration, the longer it will take to address and fix the root causes of these problems in order to put an end to it by finding solutions that work for everyone.

This would absolutely make sense, but the problem is partisanship, no one is interested in fixing the problem because both sides think they are right...

But the choice we have in front of us right now, is, keep them locked up and seperated, or catch and release.... Trump tried locked up and separated and people lost their ****, so he shifted to catch and release, and people lost their ****...

The issue isn't catch and release, it's that Trump wants to do it now....

Where does everyone think that catch and release migrants that came through during Obama's administration went to, they went to cities that are now calling themselves sanctuary cities!
 
How are these people supposed to get immigration judges to hear their cases at the courts at their points of entry if they're in New York or Chicago?

You realize their are immigration judges all around right? You didn't did you
 
how do you know his mind? how does an unnamed source know his mind? do you have proof this is his reasoning?

it seems perfectly logical to me. the whole democrat point about illegal aliens is that they help the economies of the places that need cheap labor, so why not send them to the places that have declared they want them?

Because Trump has a pattern of behavior.
 
Agreed, Democrats torpedoed that though....

But let me ask you this, where did the catch and release immigrants, go, once they were released, during Obama's years?
Unfortunately many of them were simply released into the public, though the mix more accurately reflected legit asylum seekers.

Unless the laws get changed, our only hope may be to greatly increase the judges and get those cases more quickly adjudicated. All we're doing now is building larger detention areas, or releasing a 20/80 refugee-to-illegal mix into the public; that's not a great ratio.

If we could get case adjudication down to several months, I think that might be workable. But we can't keep refugee seekers detained for years, nor is it practical for America to have to accept an 20/80 mix being released to the public.
 
so basically you are claiming your intuition is a believable source?

The source is in the OP. Other sources have provided ample evidence of Trump's mean-spiritedness and cruelty over the past few years. My intuition is merely the tool used to interpret those sources. Any human adult could come to a reasonable understanding based on these points of reference.

The evidence strongly suggests Trump is a mean person, and therefore I believe he's doing this because he thinks it's the mean thing to do, not because he humanely wants to cut some migrants slack by sending them to a friendly city.

And I know where this is going: as usual an attempt to derail the thread by attacking the poster.

Tell us instead why Trump isn't mean and he isn't doing this out of cruelty.
 
How are these people supposed to get immigration judges to hear their cases at the courts at their points of entry if they're in New York or Chicago?
Chicago has one of the largest INS judicial infrastructures in the country; I suspect NYC is similar.
 
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