Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

[3leftsdoo]

Trump is coming out with a designer line of Tiki-torches made in China.

/s

:cheers:

 

[Tigerace117]

That the number of actual White Supremacists in America today could not fill the seats in a High School sports stadium. That they are the only group who's support is a negative. That American Whites on average are the least racist people in the world, if they have competition for that distinction it's from Whites in Canada or Europe.


Racism against Whites spurred on by Racial Identity Politics is still strong and will do more damage before it's done, but even its proponents are starting to be marginalized.

:lamo

What a delusional load of crap.

A long as people are still flying Confederate flags it's pretty clear your argument is bull****.

 

[Casca XV]

The stats though are not coming from the GAO which is a bipartisan group. and they talk about lethal terrorist attacks. On the other hand, it is fair to point that a regular fistfight does not fulfill the definition of terrorism. If you argue that we should classify ANTIFA attacks as terrorism, I have no problem but such inclusion will mean that we will classify as terrorism many more crimes, including all hate crimes. An assault against somebody because of his race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation is also an attempt to use violence to accomplish political objectives.

Narrow definitions are one of the ways the Left makes the microscopic number of politically motivated acts of violence from the Right look like they are the majority.

 

[pamak]

Narrow definitions are one of the ways the Left makes the microscopic number of politically motivated acts of violence from the Right look like they are the majority.

GAO is not a leftist organization!It is the U.S. Government Accountability Office which is a nonpartisan agency.
Also, lethal attacks from the right which are comparable in numbers to the attacks of domestic Islamic terrorism SHOULD get as much attention as the Islamic attacks from domestic terrorists. So, if you want to make a case about the "microscopic number" of victims by politically motivated right-wing terrorism, then you should be consistent and apply the same logic about the religious motivated domestic terrorism in the US which produces about the same "microscopic number" of victims.

 

[Casca XV]

GAO is not a leftist organization!It is the U.S. Government Accountability Office which is a nonpartisan agency.
Also, lethal attacks from the right which are comparable in numbers to the attacks of domestic Islamic terrorism SHOULD get as much attention as the Islamic attacks from domestic terrorists. So, if you want to make a case about the "microscopic number" of victims by politically motivated right-wing terrorism, then you should be consistent and apply the same logic about the religious motivated domestic terrorism in the US which produces about the same "microscopic number" of victims.

Government Bureaucrats are overwhelmingly Leftist.

I have looked into these type of stats a lot. Far to many time what is called a "right wing terrorist attack" Is a white guy who's only link to the Right is that he, once clicked like on a right wing FB post, committing a crime unrelated to politics or race.

 

[pamak]

Government Bureaucrats are overwhelmingly Leftist.

I have looked into these type of stats a lot. Far to many time what is called a "right wing terrorist attack" Is a white guy who's only link to the Right is that he, once clicked like on a right wing FB post, committing a crime unrelated to politics or race.

Please...

There is no requirement to reveal political affiliation during the hiring process, and since the GAO is auditing the government, there is no reason to assume that its function attracts less conservatives than liberals.
I take GAO statistics over any single individual who has a clear political ideology ("libertarian-right," in your case according to your profile).

 

[Oborosen]

Again irrelevant comment...

Nobody here tries to give ANTIFA a break or makes an argument that an assault of any kind by ANTIFA should not be prosecuted.

Even Bernie Sanders who is closer than most Democrats to the left has been clear about it!

Bernie Sanders Condemns Violent Protests in San Jose - ABC News

Violence is absolutely and totally unacceptable,” Sanders said. “Anyone even thinking about violence, please do not tell anybody you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, because those are not the supporters that I want”

You are just called out for trying to assign equal blame on the left and on the right by pointing at the extremist-left ANTIFA even though ANTIFA does not kill people as the extremist right does.

Actually I'm just pointing out blame in general. Because it seems that a majority of people are intent on denying that Antifa actually exist. You can also say and post that Bernie has said this, or that about violence. But you do know that people who support Bernie were still attacking people and causing fights, right?

No one, literally, no one. Has the power to dictate who supports them in whatever they do.
Because Hodgkinson proved more than enough strain on Sander's movement, when he opened fire on the people, practicing for a ball game.

 

[pamak]

Actually I'm just pointing out blame in general. Because it seems that a majority of people are intent on denying that Antifa actually exist. You can also say and post that Bernie has said this, or that about violence. But you do know that people who support Bernie were still attacking people and causing fights, right?

No one, literally, no one. Has the power to dictate who supports them in whatever they do.
Because Hodgkinson proved more than enough strain on Sander's movement, when he opened fire on the people, practicing for a ball game.

I do not hold any politician accountable for the actions of some of his most crazy supporters, but I DO hold all politicians accountable for how they react to the actions of those crazy supporters. After a murder or an attempt of murder by one of their supporters, politicians should condemn such actions without trying to find a way to allocate blame to both sides as Trump did (and Sanders did not). There is a proper time to allocate blame to the other side, including blame for violence, but if one does it after a lethal attack by one of his supporters he becomes an apologist for criminals.

 

[Oborosen]

I do not hold any politician accountable for the actions of some of his most crazy supporters, but I DO hold all politicians accountable for how they react to the actions of those crazy supporters. After a murder or an attempt of murder by one of their supporters, politicians should condemn such actions without trying to find a way to allocate blame to both sides as Trump did (and Sanders did not). There is a proper time to allocate blame to the other side, including blame for violence, but if one does it after a lethal attack by one of his supporters he becomes an apologist for criminals.

If this is leading up to Charlottesville as the prime example. It's not, because he wasn't wrong in what he said. This is also ignoring how people who support many of the ant-Trump attacks, don't actually seem them as being something wrong.

#punchaNazi and all that crap.

 

[MauiMan]

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

42 percent of Americans approve of this jackass. They gobble up his asinine rhetoric. Logic, facts, and reality do not apply!

 

[AGENT J]

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

ill stick with with facts and the FBI :shrug:

 

[pamak]

If this is leading up to Charlottesville as the prime example. It's not, because he wasn't wrong in what he said. This is also ignoring how people who support many of the ant-Trump attacks, don't actually seem them as being something wrong.

#punchaNazi and all that crap.

I disagree because the timing of what one says is important too.

If one starts talking about how western imperialist policies in the Middle East have negatively affected the natives against the West, he may present an accurate historical fact. But if one says something like this immediately after an Islamist attack somewhere in the West, then such statement effectively provides political cover for terrorism.

 

[Mason66]

Traditional Racism in decline


In the US it began as slavery, 3/5ths value, and evolved into non traditional racism. Is that what your point is?

Please define non traditional racism?

Really?

You don't think the whites that came to this country had a problem with the red skinned people before the darker people arrived?

 

[Oborosen]

I disagree because the timing of what one says is important too.

If one starts talking about how western imperialist policies in the Middle East have negatively affected the natives against the West, he may present an accurate historical fact. But if one says something like this immediately after an Islamist attack somewhere in the West, then such statement effectively provides political cover for terrorism.

At that point, you're just arguing on something from solely a subjective standpoint. Because no one is guaranteed to perceive these same events in the same light that you do. We also have the issue of Trump's statement being sole conciliatory, though not inaccurate.

When he said that there were good people on both sides of the event. He wasn't wrong.

 

[pamak]

At that point, you're just arguing on something from solely a subjective standpoint. Because no one is guaranteed to perceive these same events in the same light that you do. We also have the issue of Trump's statement being sole conciliatory, though not inaccurate.

When he said that there were good people on both sides of the event. He wasn't wrong.

Ohh, but when you say things like "We also have the issue of Trump's statement being sole conciliatory," you do not make a subjective statement...

Got it!

 

[Oborosen]

Ohh, but when you say things like "We also have the issue of Trump's statement being sole conciliatory," you do not make a subjective statement...

Got it!

Seeing a large number of the media were repeatedly forcing him to validate some sort of statement about Charlottesville. Then yes, his statement end up being solely conciliatory and even in that end. They weren't in the least bit happy. Because many people tried to twist the meaning of that statement to mean whatever they wanted it to mean.

 

[pamak]

Seeing a large number of the media were repeatedly forcing him to validate some sort of statement about Charlottesville. Then yes, his statement end up being solely conciliatory and even in that end. They weren't in the least bit happy. Because many people tried to twist the meaning of that statement to mean whatever they wanted it to mean.

Get a dictionary to understand the concepts of "subjective" and "conciliatory." You mumble nonsense which have nothing to do with these concept.


con·cil·i·a·to·ry

adjective
intended or likely to placate or pacify.

The facts regarding people's reaction from both parties shows that you are BS us. You confuse appeasing neonazi with making comments that are likely to pacify the society in general and you make a completely subjective evaluation of the intention and effects of Trump's statements.

 

[Oborosen]

Get a dictionary to understand the concepts of "subjective" and "conciliatory." You mumble nonsense which have nothing to do with these concept.


con·cil·i·a·to·ry

adjective
intended or likely to placate or pacify.

The facts regarding people's reaction from both parties shows that you are BS us. You confuse appeasing neonazi with making comments that are likely to pacify the society in general and you make a completely subjective evaluation of the intention and effects of Trump's statements.

Even though you're completely forgetting that him appeasing neo-Nazis. Is solely going to either be your subjecting interpretation of it, or an actual neo-Nazi's own interpretation...

Yeah... you have my pity at this point.

 

[pamak]

Even though you're completely forgetting that him appeasing neo-Nazis. Is solely going to either be your subjecting interpretation of it, or an actual neo-Nazi's own interpretation...

Yeah... you have my pity at this point.

Well, my point is that your claim regarding what Trump said is just your SUBJECTIVE interpretation which you try to pass as objective reality while at the same time you accuse others of being subjective!

If you think that Trump's statement was conciliatory, this is YOUR subjective interpretation and a poor attempt to justify Trump's statement.

Finally, your feelings about me do not have any worth. I do not seek the admiration of people like you . If such thing happens, then I am doing something wrong!
I only care about your arguments!

 

[Oborosen]

Well, my point is that your claim regarding what Trump said is just your SUBJECTIVE interpretation which you try to pass as objective reality while at the same time you accuse others of being subjective!

If you think that Trump's statement was conciliatory, this is YOUR subjective interpretation and a poor attempt to justify Trump's statement.

Finally, your feelings about me do not have any worth. I do not seek the admiration of people like you . If such thing happens, then I am doing something wrong!
I only care about your arguments!

You would have to start with a point that wasn't solely based on feeling alone then.