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Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

Damned Canadians again and again with you.
Did ya ever get past that book, the little engine that could?
Clear ya can't

Trudeau is closer to prison that President Trump is. :lamo

He's white, too. Elect a mixed race PM, then tell us how The United States has racism problems.
 
The Right Wing and Conservatives knew and they still know!!! Trump was/is a Racist, Sexist, and hater of non white Immigrants driven by Avarice for Money and that he is a Vile Bigot, who worships money by any means... which is" not only why they chose him, It's why they cannot bring themselves to see anything to stand against when the vile and malice of and within the incessant ignorance he engages and the mad and bigoted things he says and does, and why they have no concern about his greed driven history of pure Avarice filled with corruption of any and every sort....

They only care that they have the Symbol of Racism in the highest office, in the role as President, as long as they have that, they can do what he does, is lie, deny, deflect and try and find any means to cover and they rely on their long history of having been groomed to Acquiescence to stand in full support Any Racist Person as their Honored Symbol who Holds Any Office".... They will damage "ANYTHING" to sustain that!!! including the whole of society, the system of governance and they have shown they will attack with their perversions the Justice System, the Intelligence System, because they care about "White Nationalism and the Ideals of White Privilege and The want for White Dominance".... These people are incapable of living in a soicety of multicultural people through having a heart and mind that respects and see all as equal.... as individual and person, in a Civil society based on the Principles of the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution.

They don't care about such.. they care about "white nationalism by any means they can promote it".... and when Money is mentioned; SOME of them {not all} would if they could "kill the history of Jesus", if they thought it will give them more money.

They've shown us that Morality is only used as a pretense, but to them it means, "serve only ones self and those with like colored skin"... it also means, "do as one wants that is self servicing regardless of what damages it does to any others, as long as self gratification is pursued and if possible gained."

Their thing is: money by any means, sex by any means, demands of white privilege by any means, dominance over white females by any means, white male dominance by any means, and attack and diminish minority non whites by any means....

They've long perverted even the religious ideology and tainted the concept of Christianity to try and bend it to back and support these vain agenda elements that make up their sense of self and they will do anything to try and make reserves for this for themselves... of the things mentioned above by any means.

This is in part why we see them continually promoting and supporting any acts and any concepts that promote "Plutocratic Agenda", because they think of themselves as an primarily White Skin, Ethnic Monarchy.... After 100's of years of promoting this by any and every means, through any malice and vile... they are anguished in this day and time.. that people no longer will lay down and allow it, and they can't force people to the acquiescent to accommodate and give it free reign.
 
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People should know what is "Savagery" .... then; it is clear to discern it when its present and seen.. and its becomes easy to identify "A Savage"

Savagery:

The quality of being fierce or cruel.

Synonyms: brutality, ferocity, fierceness, violence, viciousness, cruelty, sadism, barbarity, barbarousness, murderousness, bloodthirstiness, brutishness, mercilessness, ruthlessness, pitilessness, inhumanity, heartlessness;

"Savage"

1a : not domesticated or under human control : UNTAMED
savage beasts
b : lacking the restraints normal to civilized human beings : FIERCE, FEROCIOUS

Synonyms: Adjective
barbarian, barbaric, barbarous, heathen, heathenish, natural, Neanderthal (or Neandertal), rude, uncivil, uncivilized, uncultivated, wild

Synonyms: Noun
baddie (or baddy), beast, brute, caitiff, devil, evildoer, fiend, heavy, hound, knave, meanie (also meany), miscreant, monster, nazi, no-good, rapscallion, rascal, reprobate, rogue, scalawag (or scallywag), scamp, scapegrace, scoundrel, varlet, villain, wretch

Synonyms: Verb
abuse, assail, attack, bash, belabor, blast, castigate, excoriate, jump (on), lambaste (or lambast), potshot, scathe, slam, trash, vituperate
 
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The history in America, especially in the models of white society certainly from the days of slavery through the century of segregation... "white society was groomed not to deal with "the truth". And certainly not to deal with "THE TRUTH", when it came to Respecting "The Declaration of Independence"... and most intensely groomed to ignore truth that comes from the mouth and mind of anyone non white.

Thus America finds itself in The Age of Information, with the Tools of Technology... Making Much Exposed, where The Truth, can no longer be bastardized and smothered... nor the people of many ethnic make up can now speak, and not be drowned out by the long system of white nationalism that spent centuries trying to drown out the voice of not just the minorities, but the poor whites as well.... while it reverted the middle class with the carrot on a stick of "money".... promoting the spin of one 'tying their entire sense of self worth to the acquisition of money"... Aware but still unaware in the deeper sense they have made "money their God"... and live by the pursuit of it by "any means" with regard for nothing above the acquisition of it. This has been and continues to be the basis that drives 'white nationalism", because without money... they will have to face the fact and truth, they are but a person, no greater and no lesser than any other human being as person and individual.

That's far too much for many to digest and others cannot bring themselves to even attempt to chew on it, because it will bring down the vanity their lives have been built upon and around, and their self gloating skin based pride will be exposed of the ignorance that promotes such bigoted concepts.

Jim Crow ideology still vertebrates expansively across and within society and its generations even of today.... where it is still thought that at no time... "How dare a black person speak truth, unto white washed spin which has a driven attempt to sweep it under the rug"...

Systems and Processes are still in this day... damaged by the {plutocratic ideals and/of white skin monarchy} that has infected America for generations... and many are unaware to look, review or think deep enough to see, learn and know that much of what they hold dear was passed on of such vile ideology.... and they fear the question of it, because they are not equipped to face nor deal with "The Truths". They can't grasp the fact and principle, that the creations of mankind in over the centuries is to be engaged by "All".... Nothing was made as a stand alone, it was built upon something...

History of the World Tries to show and tell this, but when one seeks to make claim of "skin color dominance", they are themselves made self blind to what are the origins of many things.... They have been groomed, to think in terms of "white skin hero".. until it make them self defeatist and unable to live among the multi-cultural societies with a demeanor and comportment of respect for equality of person as individual.
 
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Did I say this?

I said that you cannot equate the lethal behavior of some groups with the non-lethal (but still criminal behavior) of other groups! This was for ANTIFA.

For the BLM you cannot blame the whole group for the actions of individuals. You do not do this with Trump supporters and right wing extremists, right?

Also, do you know that right wing extremism has actually killed more cops than tBlack extremists?

Here is the link from the ADL

https://www.adl.org/media/12480/download

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So you're saying that the crime only counts when someone dies...? right...

I don't care for who kills who more. I care for actually recognizing a crime when it has transpired.
 
Just can't help yourself, can you. You gotta start off with a schoolyard taunt.

You seem not to know the difference between the terms 'left' and 'liberal'. I do, and I'm gonna refer to liberals, not 'the left'. I'm saying liberals fought for every right and freedom you treasure. Every one, and they had to fight against conservatives all down the line. In my lifetime it's been civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, abortion rights lately drug laws, and if you call that 'going back that far' you must be a teen-ager. All those newly-won rights were resisted by conservatives, same as all through hstory and vigilance has to be maintained lest runaway conservatism starts to roll us all back to the bad old days.
You watch- the next one will be assissted suicide. Liberals will definitely win that right, too, and they'll definitely have to fight for it against conservatives.

Identity politics? Well, like I pointed out to you, you don't know the difference between liberal and left and want BLM and Anitfa and every other thing you don't like to be liberalism, and damn the definitions. Identity politics? There's another one of you guys here saying liberals are all for blacks until one sits next to them at Starbucks. You guys need to reduce society to simple cliches so you can understand each other but when you talk to anyone who hasn't bought into the same one-note single-syllable narrative you just come off sounding willfully ignorant.

Put simply, anyone who isn't a lberal knows nothing about history and how a democratic society works.

Wow, that's a lot of text to actually end up making less of a point than was actually present from before.

I don't know if you're really a liberal, or of the left. But I can tell you that I do know the difference and unfortunately it's become more common for leftist to proclaim themselves to be liberals these days. So forgive me if I have the creeping suspicion that you're just another shake in the grass at this point.

Classical liberals on the other hand, yes. I know what they fought for and I know what they've won, lost and only managed to tie on. Though that doesn't stop the left from coopting their victories as their own, or outright tainting them. So once again, do be surprised that I'm not going to accept your affirmation as genuine. I've seen more than enough people who claim to be liberal, stand up for things like the rights of others and the importance of free speech. Only to end up doing the same regressive things that have garnered those on the left such a horrible reputation and to keep doing so, especially when it's being pointed out to them.
 
So you're saying that the crime only counts when someone dies...? right...

I don't care for who kills who more. I care for actually recognizing a crime when it has transpired.

Strawman...

I am saying that you cannot equate killing somebody with punching him.
The right-wing extremists do the first. ANTIFA is doing the second.
I will take 100 times becoming an ANTIFA target over becoming a target of a single lethal attack by a right-wing nut!
 
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Trudeau is closer to prison that President Trump is. :lamo
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Of course he is. You won't find Canadians willing to flush their morals and beliefs down the toilet to support immoral or illegal actions, as so much of Trump's base is willing to do.

The same could be said for almost any Western country's leaders, as very few of the citizens of these countries are willing to debase themselves like so many in the USA are doing in their support of Trump. That's one of the reasons you and your leader are laughing stocks around he world.


America the laughingstock
Trump Has Made America Into A Laughingstock
The year the world laughed at U.S.
European diplomats: Trump is a 'laughing stock'
'People here think Trump is a laughingstock'
Trump is making America the laughingstock of the world
 
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Strawman...

I am saying that you cannot equate killing somebody with punching him.
The right-wing extremists do the first. ANTIFA is doing the second.
I will take 100 times becoming an ANTIFA target over becoming a target of a single lethal attack by a right-wing nut!

So once again, the lesser of two evils.... yes.
 
So once again, the lesser of two evils.... yes.

Obviously. I've noticed that when making excuses for Trump's disgusting and immoral behavior Conservatives with TDS are constantly trying to equate two disparate evils.

For example, you can compare jaywalking to murder. You could say they are both crimes, or you could say you prefer the lesser of two evils. Which point of view makes more sense to you?
 
Obviously. I've noticed that when making excuses for Trump's disgusting and immoral behavior Conservatives with TDS are constantly trying to equate two disparate evils.

For example, you can compare jaywalking to murder. You could say they are both crimes, or you could say you prefer the lesser of two evils. Which point of view makes more sense to you?

I don't compare jaywalking to murder. But yes, in the scope of the law. Those are both still to be considered crimes.

What is the problem here is that you can't seem to believe is that I'm not giving the left leaning criminals a break. I don't care.

Both the murderer on the right and the assaulter on the left, are both criminals and should be prosecuted as such. No protection, no favoritism.
 
I don't compare jaywalking to murder. But yes, in the scope of the law. Those are both still to be considered crimes.

What is the problem here is that you can't seem to believe is that I'm not giving the left leaning criminals a break. I don't care.

Both the murderer on the right and the assaulter on the left, are both criminals and should be prosecuted as such. No protection, no favoritism.

Fair enough.
 
Fair enough.

Let me end with this. I do get where you're coming from, I really do. It's no secret that when anyone on the far-right commits such a crime. It's usually shorter lived. But far more bloody and far more affective at taking life.

The problem I've seen here however is that in the last few years we've seen people on the left come out in numbers that I cannot for the life of me, recall seeing greater emphasis for. We had people getting assaulted in not only protest, but rallies and even the most tame of social gatherings. It helped lead to events like Charlottesville and even complimented into the second Unite the Right rally. Where the left had no real target in that case and just decided to assault innocent bystanders and journalist who's only crime was covering the event.

They commit arson on large scale, not only burning cars. But also businesses big and small. They've assaulted everyone from the elderly, to children who where just unlucky enough to be in their mother's arms at the time of the attack and have even been caught planning terrorist attacks in the past.

I'm in total agreement with you on this. The far-right murders are definitely a bigger problem when they arise. But I've seen more than enough of the left doing what it does to know that they are doing it on a much greater scale than the one, or two lone far-right nut-jobs and the one thing that upsets me more about all of it. Was the protection that the media, the left leaning politicians and other TV personalities gave them in all of this. Even after a guy got his head split open with a bike lock and people were getting assaulted for just wearing MAGA hats. You had people coming out saying things like "When you fight fascist, violence is inevitable" as well as a myriad of other things just like that.

It's only been recently that they've started opening up about the left in the media. But at this point, too little is too late for me.
 
Like most Left Wing Ideologies, Traditional Racism no matter who it's pointed at is in decline.
What metric are you using to arrive at your conclusion?
 
Let me end with this. I do get where you're coming from, I really do. It's no secret that when anyone on the far-right commits such a crime. It's usually shorter lived. But far more bloody and far more affective at taking life.

Wow, you live in a different reality than I do.

It wasn't the far left that attacked Iraq, and killed hundreds of thousands. That was GWB and Cheney, right wing

Nor was it the far left that just attacked the mosque in NZ. That was a fascist and big Trump fan.

Charlottesville was right wing, and a member of the base.


Christ, they're even outdoing Islamic extremists.

The Rise of Far-Right Extremism in the United States
There also is a continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since 2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.


And this is from the Trump base, these are the people Trump publicly defends, the Neo Nazis and the KKK, Trump's "very fine people".

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute - BBC

And let's face it, Trump needs to publicly defend these people. If he loses their support, he's gone as POTUS, and the Republican party is likely to turn on him.
 
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Wow, you live in a different reality than I do.

It wasn't the far left that attacked Iraq, and killed hundreds of thousands. That was GWB and Cheney, right wing

Nor was it the far left that just attacked the mosque in NZ. That was a fascist and big Trump fan.

Charlottesville was right wing, and a member of the base.


Christ, they're even outdoing Islamic extremists.

The Rise of Far-Right Extremism in the United States
There also is a continuing threat from extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. But the number of attacks from right-wing extremists since 2014 has been greater than attacks from Islamic extremists.


And this is from the Trump base, these are the people Trump publicly defends, the Neo Nazis and the KKK, Trump's "very fine people".

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

Hail Trump: White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute - BBC

And let's face it, Trump needs to publicly defend these people. If he loses their support, he's gone as POTUS, and the Republican party is likely to turn on him.

See, you were doing so well. Then you had to go out and run off with crap like that.
No one was talking about Bush, nor a war that he got us into. But if you want to climb on that particular hill? Then don't forget to throw a few piles of dead Syrians at Obamas feet on your way out the door.

I don't see Trump supporting the man that perpetrated it, nor do I see some massive group coming out in defense of him. Once again, it's just one sick individual who got himself killed and took innocent lives with him.

Seeing as the people who make articles like that, are the same kind who just conveniently ignore the left wings own crimes. I find it hard to take stock in anything that they push.

Please, show me where Trump defends the KKK and Neo-Nazis.
 
See, you were doing so well. Then you had to go out and run off with crap like that



No one was talking about Bush, nor a war that he got us into. But if you want to climb on that particular hill? Then don't forget to throw a few piles of dead Syrians at Obamas feet on your way out the door.

I don't see Trump supporting the man that perpetrated it, nor do I see some massive group coming out in defense of him. Once again, it's just one sick individual who got himself killed and took innocent lives with him.

Seeing as the people who make articles like that, are the same kind who just conveniently ignore the left wings own crimes. I find it hard to take stock in anything that they push.

Holy crap, I misread your post, my dyslexia kicking in, and me not reading things a couple of times like I know I should. So you're right, and my apologies. Time for bed.

Please, show me where Trump defends the KKK and Neo-Nazis.

That I will be happy to do, but when I am more awake. I've already given one link, and you can peruse this:


Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Response to Charlottesville: 'He Said He Loves Us'


Trump uses a variation of the Republican party's racist Southern Strategy to effectively get his message across.
 
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That I will be happy to do, but when I am more awake. I've already given one link, and you can peruse this:


Neo-Nazis Praise Trump's Response to Charlottesville: 'He Said He Loves Us'


Trump uses a variation of the Republican party's racist Southern Strategy to effectively get his message across.

As I said earlier in this thread, the issue there is that the dimwitted Neo-Nazis and the dimwitted progressives bought into the same propaganda for different reasons. Trump never said a positive thing about the neo-Nazis regarding Charlottesville.

The Media conveniently ignores that Trump then said "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally"

Sooo... how did the Neo-Nazis read that as praise? They read it that way because the press left out Trump's clear admonishment of Neo-Nazis and white nationalists intheir repeated stories. The idiot neo-nazis and white nationalists were as cluelessly duped as the left and for the same reason: They wanted to believe it.
 
I don't compare jaywalking to murder. But yes, in the scope of the law. Those are both still to be considered crimes.

What is the problem here is that you can't seem to believe is that I'm not giving the left leaning criminals a break. I don't care.

Both the murderer on the right and the assaulter on the left, are both criminals and should be prosecuted as such. No protection, no favoritism.

Again irrelevant comment...

Nobody here tries to give ANTIFA a break or makes an argument that an assault of any kind by ANTIFA should not be prosecuted.

Even Bernie Sanders who is closer than most Democrats to the left has been clear about it!

Bernie Sanders Condemns Violent Protests in San Jose - ABC News

Violence is absolutely and totally unacceptable,” Sanders said. “Anyone even thinking about violence, please do not tell anybody you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, because those are not the supporters that I want”

You are just called out for trying to assign equal blame on the left and on the right by pointing at the extremist-left ANTIFA even though ANTIFA does not kill people as the extremist right does.
 
What metric are you using to arrive at your conclusion?

That the number of actual White Supremacists in America today could not fill the seats in a High School sports stadium. That they are the only group who's support is a negative. That American Whites on average are the least racist people in the world, if they have competition for that distinction it's from Whites in Canada or Europe.


Racism against Whites spurred on by Racial Identity Politics is still strong and will do more damage before it's done, but even its proponents are starting to be marginalized.
 
Daily attacks by Antifa?

Well, if you want to count such behavior as terrorism then you have to count every fistfight by Trump's "tough guys" outside of bars as terrorism too. There is a difference between a murder and a fistfight.

You want a link for statistics about right wing terrorism?

Here is one from GAO (which is bipartisan). Ing tis two years old but it gives the brand picture





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https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. As shown in figure 2, fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively).

I would if those "Tough Guys" was politically motivated. They are not so I don't. But this is how most of these fraudulent stats that most terrorism comes from the Right are manufactured.
 
I would if those "Tough Guys" was politically motivated. They are not so I don't. But this is how most of these fraudulent stats that most terrorism comes from the Right are manufactured.

The stats though are not coming from the GAO which is a bipartisan group. and they talk about lethal terrorist attacks. On the other hand, it is fair to point that a regular fistfight does not fulfill the definition of terrorism. If you argue that we should classify ANTIFA attacks as terrorism, I have no problem but such inclusion will mean that we will classify as terrorism many more crimes, including all hate crimes. An assault against somebody because of his race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation is also an attempt to use violence to accomplish political objectives.
 
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