Trump gives AG Barr authority to declassify documents related to 2016 campaign surveillance

[ludin]

We didn't impeach a guilty president named Nixon either. Articles of impeachment were voted in the House committee only, Nixon quit, yet the hard core Nixon continued to say that if the president does it, it is not illegal. This is in contrast to Trump who while not impeached despite his treason who will never leave office without getting the bum's rush down the stairs out the door and onto his fat ass.

You once again prove you have no clue what you are talking about.

A coupe btw was a kind of car, typically small and two doors only, long and largely out of style. If you mean coup d'etat however we haven't had that either. Not to date anyway. Our long run without a coup in the homeland seems to be actively running in place at the present time rather than continuing to remain on ice.

one was attempted and now it is going to be found out who was behind it (which we already know) but who was involved.
those people should be arrested and put on trial for sedition.

 

[Mycroft]

Nobody is getting "duped" in any of this at any point in time.

Putin-Trump Rowers in particular have always known what they're doing, why and to what end. The vast number of the Rowers want USA to become more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. This is true since Putin returned to the Russian presidency in 2012 with his new agenda to become the Conservative's Conservative globally.

The direct consequence to Americans at home is that the vast majority of Rowers have become what we once fought against. Putin-Trump Rowers mean to destroy the national security apparatus to include the intelligence community to get to their end goal and purposes.

So if you are being duped you would be in a tiny minority of Rowers who would be really slow about the whole of it and over a long period of time besides. The repeating of Trump's lines from the campaign suggests Fanboy rather than active trooper on your part. Even at Nuremberg some of the Nazis were found not guilty but only because they were numbnuts Nazis.

Do you know what actually happened in 2012 in regard to Putin?

This...



Looks to me like Putin only has one "Rower".

 

[OpportunityCost]

???

Who is doing "a lot of searching"?

There are literally dozens of stories over the last two years about the investigation. You are asking me to go searching for info.

 

[j-mac]

So harm our relationships with our allies so Hannity can have conspiracy theory material?

lol....NO....But I would love to see you attempt to articulate the "Harm" you think Trump has done with relationships as you claim....

 

[OpportunityCost]

I don't accuse people of being Nazis so you might want to constrain yourself from going wildly afield.

Not yet anyway I don't. It's always wise to keep all options on the table however.

My preferred reference is to Trumpolini and the American Armband Right. Mussolini had his famous march on Rome in 1920-21 and Trump had his famous March on Washington 2015-16. The rest in the USA is unwritten history that is particular to the 21st century uniquely American fascism that is trying to assert itself openly and shamelessly since Putin sent Trump forward upon us.

There is some overlap of course but Trump is not Hitler. So now you've been advised specifically of my standpoint.

So, Fascists but not Nazis. How kind. Your posts are pathetic, like your viewpoint.

 

[j-mac]

So, Fascists but not Nazis. How kind. Your posts are pathetic, like your viewpoint.

If they put as much effort into actually working for the good of the country instead of attacking their fellow American's we might get some real good done for the country.

 

[Tangmo]

FISA warrants are good for 3 months and then they need to be renewed. No doubt there have been multiple occasions when reapplications of FISA warrants have been sought.

The question here though is this:
After coming on board and pushing out the Obama guys, Why did Mueller not seek to renew the warrant?

You could seek to ask Mueller or you could do what you will do anyway which is to present your rightwing prepackaged answer regardless.

 

[vesper]

It is clear that the anti Trump crowd would love to have this matter left alone...Sorry, not gonna happen....

No it isn't going to be left alone. The Democrats and their media buddies pushed a lie on the American people for over two years about Trump and his campaign/transition team colluding with Russians. After a two year rectal exam on anything Trump, Mueller found no evidence of conspiracy with Russians. So how did all this crap get started? We are about to find out.

The Dems in Congress, the media, and former heads of intel committees under the Obama administration, (Brennan, Clapper, Comey) seem very agitated about the declassification of these documents. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when they all learned that U.S. Atty Durham of Connecticut was appointed months ago to investigate all of this because he has quite a reputation and experience for going after those involved in government corruption. They know the declassification of all these documents involving multiple intel agencies/departments is going to assist Durham significantly in his investigation by cutting through a bunch of bureaucratic red tape that could have the potential of keeping his investigation on the slow boat or until the election of a Democrat president that could shut it down and sweep it under a rug.

The word is that the release of these documents will be in not weeks but days.

 

[Athanasius68]

You could seek to ask Mueller or you could do what you will do anyway which is to present your rightwing prepackaged answer regardless.

Hopefully when he testifies before Congress, he will be asked that.

 

[Tangmo]

You once again prove you have no clue what you are talking about.



one was attempted and now it is going to be found out who was behind it (which we already know) but who was involved.
those people should be arrested and put on trial for sedition.

I'm talking coup while you were talking coupe. Makes me suspect you used to sell cars previously owned.

Any arrests and sedition trials of the people you drool over persecuting will cross the line of the former. The courts are the variable, however, the moment Trump and his armband followers reject a court order it won't be the coupe you guys get run over by. It will be the real thing.

What's truly amazing is that you guys really continue to believe you're going to pull this off and get away with it all. I myself have for more than two years advised family, friends, colleagues to go long on blindfolds and cigarettes. I'm telling 'em now to go short on 'em.

 

[Tangmo]

Do you know what actually happened in 2012 in regard to Putin?

This...



Looks to me like Putin only has one "Rower".

We've seen the meaningless video hundreds of times since 2012. Which means you've wasted your time hundreds of times apiece over there. I'd show a video for the hellovit of Putin and Trump meeting in secret in Helsinki except there isn't any videos available to us of it. None. We know anyway Trump swallows Putin's every interjection.

 

[TheDeplorable]

Just some of the things we need answers for...

I'll give those questions a shot

Who put Mifsud onto Papadapolous? That would be John Brennan.

Who put Halpert onto Papadopolous? That would be John Brennan

How did Downer's information wind up at the State department instead of other sundry agencies? Well according to the Mueller report he is a “representative of a foreign government”, so it makes sense that he would be considered a POI for the state dept. Not sure what this point is?

Did Clapper use any human resources in surveilling the Trump campaign? No that would be Comey and Brennan

Did Comey use any human surveillance in the investigation? Yes

Why did Comey leak at opportune political times? He was being directed to by Clapper or Brennan, most likely Brennan

Why wouldn't Comey make truthful admissions publicly? He has a keen understanding of Perjury.

Why were there so many Clinton allies in key positions in the upper FBI and on Mueller's team? At the FBI, like most government workers they supported the statues quo as opposed to someone who has never held public office and openly calls them the swamp. As far as the Mueller hit team, they didn't think it would drag on long enough for anyone to notice. They thought they would have him out of there in 6 months. I also think they surmised that by having all Trump haters there would be no leaks back to the President.

Did it affect their investigation decisions? In the case of the FBI agents the IG ruled no, although that was only on those agents. It obviously did, just in regards to how each case was handled.

Why was the dossier given to McCain? He was the leader of the never Trumpers, McCain obviously hated Trump even more than Hillary. Turns out he died a bitter old man, anyway it made it look like it was a bipartisan effort.

How many places was the dossier leaked? Inside government, to nearly every dept. Outside government, I would think that number would be in the double digits.

If we can't believe the Russians on anything why should anything in that dossier be taken at face value when they compiled it? Because it fit the democrat/elitist ruling class agenda

Is it possible the Democrats were duped by a disinformation op that succeeded beyond anything the Russians thought? Some elected reps were duped early on, however as time drug on it became obvious that the collusion thing was a hoax and they had to find something else. Many of the low information voters still are being duped today.

 

[Tangmo]

So, Fascists but not Nazis. How kind. Your posts are pathetic, like your viewpoint.

Not so fast there slick. I said I always keep all options on the table. I insist on overnight delivery of either brownshirts or blackshirts. Cap size is one fits all.

If they put as much effort into actually working for the good of the country instead of attacking their fellow American's we might get some real good done for the country.

That's got to be a coded message because it sure as hell isn't a real one from over there. It reads instead like it came from a Confederate spy.

 

[TheDeplorable]

The problem with your "probably" guess is that at the time Mifsud was in contact with Papadopoulos and, by the way, when Downer had his talk with Papadopoulos there was NO investigation.

The information about Mifsud and the information from Downer is what the FBI has said was the impetus for their investigation, Crossfire Hurricane, which began at the end of July 2016.

btw, according to Mueller, Mifsud was a Russian agent. Are you contending that FBI or CIA agents put a Russian agent onto a member of the Trump campaign?

Anyway, don't worry about it. This stuff is what Barr was talking about when he mentioned that he's looking into the predicate for the spying. For Crossfire Hurricane.

The problem with your "probably" guess is that at the time Mifsud was in contact with Papadopoulos and, by the way, when Downer had his talk with Papadopoulos there was NO investigation........Mifsud was sent there by Brennan before there ever a name to the investigation for the FBI. At the time of the Downer and Mifsud the FBI hadn't given the codename yet and most likely were not even completely filled in.

The information about Mifsud and the information from Downer is what the FBI has said was the impetus for their investigation, Crossfire Hurricane, which began at the end of July 2016......... The FBI was filled in about the conversations wuth Mifsud and Downer at the end of July 2016.But it had been a CIA or National intelligence operation long before that.


btw, according to Mueller, Mifsud was a Russian agent. Are you contending that FBI or CIA agents put a Russian agent onto a member of the Trump campaign?...... Mifsud is not a Russian Agent but an agent of the Allies. I believe I heard Italy.

 

[Gaea]

Trump is the biggest national security threat the nation has faced in my lifetime, and it's terrifying to see the entire Republican party supporting his continual expansion of and abuses of powers. They clearly prefer to have a fascist government than a constitutional government that allows for any semblance of checks and balances. It's incredibly disturbing to read this thread.

 

[TheDeplorable]

The word is that the release of these documents will be in not weeks but days.

I am not sure I agree. If there are indeed criminal prosecutions I don't see them subjecting themselves to accusations of polluting the jury pool. That is not how prosecutors work. They don't release all their evidence to the public.

 

[TheDeplorable]

Hopefully when he testifies before Congress, he will be asked that.

He will not testify because he doesn't want to be questioned by house GOP.

 

[TheDeplorable]

Trump is the biggest national security threat the nation has faced in my lifetime, and it's terrifying to see the entire Republican party supporting his continual expansion of and abuses of powers. They clearly prefer to have a fascist government than a constitutional government that allows for any semblance of checks and balances. It's incredibly disturbing to read this thread.

Semblance of checks and balances? Will you support equal investigations incuding covert survalance by the FBI, Director of National Security and the CIA of Bernie for ties to Russia and Biden for Hunter and China during their run to win in 2020?

 

[lurchadams]

You say this as if you already know what the facts are.

You don't. You're emoting.

You mean like calling the Mueller investigation a "witch hunt" every day before it was completed?

 

[digsbe]

Ladies and gentlemen, we no longer have an independent department of Justice.

Yeah, was a travesty seeing how they handled the Clinton probe and how we will learn more about how justice and FISA warrants have been perverted by the Democrat (Obama) administration. Loretta Lynch meeting with Clinton while she was under "investigation" was the nail in the coffin. I'm sure Democrats aren't interested in actual truth though or uncovering bias/abuses when directed by the Obama admin.

 

[Athanasius68]

We've seen the meaningless video hundreds of times since 2012. Which means you've wasted your time hundreds of times apiece over there. I'd show a video for the hellovit of Putin and Trump meeting in secret in Helsinki except there isn't any videos available to us of it. None. We know anyway Trump swallows Putin's every interjection.

Well, it's a video where Obama is explaining that he has to be 'tough' on Russia because he is campaigning. He asks that Putin be made to understand this and that one he is elected he can be more flexible. On it's own terms, it is simply showing Obama, at worse, being duplicitous with the American electorate back in 2012. At best, it shows that Obama thinks that USA- Russian relations are too important to be hung up over those who think Russia is the great enemy.

 

[Athanasius68]

He will not testify because he doesn't want to be questioned by house GOP.

It sounds like the issue is that he wishes to limit his testimony to the report whereas the Democrats wish to expand it

 

[Airyaman]

There are literally dozens of stories over the last two years about the investigation. You are asking me to go searching for info.

I am? How did I phrase that?

 

[Airyaman]

lol....NO....But I would love to see you attempt to articulate the "Harm" you think Trump has done with relationships as you claim....

Only the blind don't see how much tension Trump has created amongst those we called allies at one time. I know this turns some con types on, but it doesn't help when we need their help on a few things, like going after China on trade.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I am? How did I phrase that?

If you have it, bring it.

Its worth noting you made blanket denials already so there is no point in me bringing up anything to you.