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Trump gives AG Barr authority to declassify documents related to 2016 campaign surveillance

It's not the same " old stuff ". It's new stuff ! New exciting stuff that undermines the same false narrative you've been parroting for the last 2 years

More importantly, it's related to the title and the content of the Op, which is more than I can say about your rhetoric

Yes, we get it. You think Trump and Barr are evil and Russian agents and covering up for the crimes. Whatever, we get it, so go somewhere else and peddle that nonsense.
Or better yet, offer up an intelligent and relevant rebuttal if you can

You haven't any rebuttal. Your post is a rant. It's unmistakably clear you've been triggered. You're triggered because you don't like your applecart upset which is what's happening most recently. You're off your game and you don't like it. And now that you've self revealed your game to ignore Russia and Putin it will be hard in the extreme for you to return to it. You cannot ignore Russia and Putin no matter how hard you try.
 
You haven't any rebuttal. Your post is a rant. It's unmistakably clear you've been triggered. You're triggered because you don't like your applecart upset which is what's happening most recently. You're off your game and you don't like it. And now that you've self revealed your game to ignore Russia and Putin it will be hard in the extreme for you to return to it. You cannot ignore Russia and Putin no matter how hard you try.

Pot meet kettle
 
Its strange to see Mueller now regarded as some sort of partisan pro-Trump agent. I remember when he got appointed the overall impression was that he had great integrity, outstanding credentials and substantial experience. Reviewing his past practices, particularly in the Enron matter, I thought he seemed a bit too aggressive and had a tendency to abuse legal procedure, but he did enjoy bipartisan support (despite being a registered Republican). As his investigation went on there was criticism over the number of committed Democrat contributors he enlisted in his legal staff, and the vigor with which he persecuted these recurring "process crimes" against ancillary figures, all these indictments for other than 'collusion'. As this investigation dragged on and the smoking gun wasn't found I surmised there was no big there there too, and figured we'd just have to endure the investigating until reasonable people would agree it had gone on long enough and it was time to reach a conclusion.

Now we have that conclusion and it is apparently not satisfactory to those who expected evidence of Trump's collusion. The purpose of the exercise seems to have adjusted a bit. The original idea was to investigate whether Trump 'colluded' (conspired) with agents of the Russian government, to defeat Hillary. Of course this quest could reveal other crimes, which Mueller could investigate as well (and he certainly did), but somewhere along the way the effort turned more towards investigating Russian interference in the election, and this is somewhat different. Interference in the election is much broader than efforts to defeat Hillary, and Trump's 'collusion' in that would also be different. The 'indictments' of all those "GRU Agents" and Russian business entities don't mention any collusion with Trump, they're impossible to enforce and the claims asserted in them will never need to be sustained in court, but they did add a justification to continue the investigatory effort. The new pursuit of Russian interference also raises other concerns; the prior administration's lack of vigor in pursuing this, and Mueller's failure to appraise Trump of any concerns from evidence of Russian interference.

It is not surprising to now find Democrats, who once praised Mueller's integrity, outstanding credentials and substantial experience, now attacking him, they didn't get what they expected. To me it seems Democrats should realize what they expected was unreasonable, I don't think they can appreciate how unreasonable their expectations are. Democrats can't appreciate the unreasonableness of their expectations for two reasons; visceral repudiation of Trump, and incapacity to acknowledge differing policy views. I don't think Democrats can overcome those two obstacles, they won't gradually accept that Trump is any less disgusting a creature as they see, and it is inconceivable they'll ever accept that their policies could be intelligently opposed for any reason.
 
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Barr is the classic USSR Politburo heavy come to the aid of Trump who is Barr's specialized practice Don.

Barr is covering things up as he both suppresses a reasonable public disclosure of the Mueller Report and misrepresents it.

Barr says his boss Trump can't violate any laws because Trump is the boss, and the boss makes the rules. So when the boss says put critics in jail, Barr gets into his dark suit and black rim glasses with nose and starts overturning desks. When the boss says bust up DoJ the Politburo Man Barr starts calling 'em in to make it up as he goes along.

The link is both heavy handed and obvious: Putin-Trump-Barr and The Rowers. It's all oars in.
What a pile of retarded bull****.

There is no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

I don't know how many different ways that has to be shown to you before you get it, but I would assume a lot.

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Russia hasn't been communist for 30 years.

When Putin returned to the presidency in 2012 he had a full agenda developed to become the Conservative's Conservative globally. In USA the New Putin was received by the Right with glee as the strong leader, the decisive action guy, the guy who got things done, the neo-dictator who knew how to guarantee his election and reelection. American Conservatives / Republicans love him and it, the polonium poisonings of opponents in particular.

Hence the American Conservatives' / Republicans' campaign to Make America Russia Instead. You guys want the USA to be more like Putin's Russia than the other way around. In other words you've become what we once fought against. Which is why you are the Putin-Trump Rowers. Yet just as in China where every dynasty fails, in Russia each gang of elites makes the country bust. The Rowers are breaking their backs for a loser.

Sure they aren't, because you can vote for an candidate you like, as long as it's Putin.
 
Sure they aren't, because you can vote for an candidate you like, as long as it's Putin.

Sorry but you guys need to convince me Trump will voluntarily leave office regardless of which year.

He won't.

And the Putin-Trump Rowers will be right there beside him with their oars.
 
What a pile of retarded bull****.

There is no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

I don't know how many different ways that has to be shown to you before you get it, but I would assume a lot.

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Ah, another vacuous post.

The Right is mortified of Trump losing and getting carried out of the WH because its connection to Putin would be severed on the spot. Being separated from Putin is the Right's worst nightmare.
 
Ah, another vacuous post.

The Right is mortified of Trump losing and getting carried out of the WH because its connection to Putin would be severed on the spot. Being separated from Putin is the Right's worst nightmare.

no... most GOP waiting for more docs released and show Dem scam from within agencies.

Only way Trump leaves WH is term limits
 
Ah, another vacuous post.

The Right is mortified of Trump losing and getting carried out of the WH because its connection to Putin would be severed on the spot. Being separated from Putin is the Right's worst nightmare.
I have a descriptive term for your post - reality challenged.

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Sorry but you guys need to convince me Trump will voluntarily leave office regardless of which year.

He won't.

And the Putin-Trump Rowers will be right there beside him with their oars.

I don't want him to leave office, we're having too much fun.
 
I have a descriptive term for your post - reality challenged.

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I don't want him to leave office, we're having too much fun.


Frick 'n Frack.

Barr brings the old Soviet Politburo ruling style to American government and to the Department of Justice in particular. It's the USSR Ministry of Justice approach to the rule of law by men who are bent on power and vengeance. We in USA are being introduced to Gulag Justice Russian style.

Trump and Barr are now the two most dangerous men in the government. They're working from the Russian constitution, not the USA Constitution. The only response of the American Armband Right is to salivate. Their common theme in posts throughout the thread is glee.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, we no longer have an independent department of Justice.

Remember this?

Of course not.

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ROTFLOL...

Trump will expose the massive corruption attached to the story. The one the Goebbels Media has been pushing for 2-years for their party. As they wipe the egg from their face, they’ll have to brace for more ballistic eggs flying in their direction... and..

... it’s too late for them to duck!

The Finns have a great saying... “when the **** is in the pants, it’s too late.”

It’s too late for the Leftists and their Goebbels Media. They’ve destroyed themselves because they couldn’t tolerate losing an election.

It is poetic justice... and the Leftists really should know to stop digging... but they’re in so deep... they have no choice but to continue their lies, frauds and deceits.

PS. Oh... You do want transparency do you not?
 
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The forthcoming report from the Office of Inspector General on potential Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuse will finally unleash Attorney General William Barr, and when it does, watch out. Why The IG Report On FISA Abuse Will Unleash Barr’s Investigation
Some speculate Barr already has Horowitz’s report, could be. Barr may be strategizing how to proceed, it is a complicated matter.
[T]he conclusion of Horowitz’s probe frees Barr to conduct a broader and more exacting investigation into all aspects of the Russia collusion hoax.
The underlined bit is what interests me.
Barr confirmed that Horowitz’s investigation focused on a discrete aspect of the Russia collusion investigation—the electronic surveillance of Page.
Horowitz will report on compliance with the FISA procedure, how the warrants were premised, the sufficiency of probable cause, its substantiation, adequacy in the submission of exonerating evidence.

It has been reported the IG found the three renewed warrants were in fact non-compliant (due to an absence of further evidence from the original warrant and each of its successive renewals). In theory a 90 day warrant to monitor communications is supposed to reveal some evidence of criminality in order to be renewed, and no such evidence was ever produced.
Barr explained that the norm for the Department of Justice was for investigations to be put “on hold while the Office of Inspector General conduct its review.”

This is very important because the DoJ’s investigation of all aspects of the Russia collusion hoax would necessarily interfere with the IG’s investigation of FISA compliance where the same participants were involved or there was reliance on information obtained via the FISA warrants.
Barr praised FBI Director Christopher Wray and the FBI line agents, stressing that the potential overreach involved “a few people in the upper echelons of the Bureau and the Department [of Justice].” Those people are gone now, Barr noted, before adding that he was now working closely with Wray “trying to reconstruct exactly what went down.” But “one thing that people should know,” the attorney general stressed, was “that the bureau itself has been handicapped looking back because of the OIG investigation.”
The FBI is under the DoJ which stands down any investigations while the OIG is on the same matter. I expect the DoJ, DoS, FBI, CIA and NSA have been ‘easing out’ members of their upper echelons who were involved.

I’m more curious about what transpires from the IG’s report, if Horowitz already determined the three FISA warrant renewals lacked evidence of further criminal communications, and the first application didn’t adequately note exonerating evidence (like Page’s reported cooperation with the FBI unmasking Russian spies years ago) then all evidence derived from Page’s surveillance would be inadmissible in a legal proceeding. We don’t know what evidence Page’s monitored communications produced, but we do know he was on Trump’s ‘team’ and can reasonably expect he communicated with Manafort and Stone, perhaps Cohen (I doubt it). But if “one hop” Manafort or Stone communications were the basis for any investigation of them, evidence obtained thereby could be inadmissible as “fruit of that poisonous tree.” I expect everyone indicted by Mueller who has been convicted will appeal adducing inadmissible evidence from unwarranted surveillance.
 
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Some speculate Barr already has Horowitz’s report, could be. Barr may be strategizing how to proceed, it is a complicated matter.

The underlined bit is what interests me.

Horowitz will report on compliance with the FISA procedure, how the warrants were premised, the sufficiency of probable cause, its substantiation, adequacy in the submission of exonerating evidence.

It has been reported the IG found the three renewed warrants were in fact non-compliant (due to an absence of further evidence from the original warrant and each of its successive renewals). In theory a 90 day warrant to monitor communications is supposed to reveal some evidence of criminality in order to be renewed, and no such evidence was ever produced.

This is very important because the DoJ’s investigation of all aspects of the Russia collusion hoax would necessarily interfere with the IG’s investigation of FISA compliance where the same participants were involved or there was reliance on information obtained via the FISA warrants.

The FBI is under the DoJ which stands down any investigations while the OIG is on the same matter. I expect the DoJ, DoS, FBI, CIA and NSA have been ‘easing out’ members of their upper echelons who were involved.

I’m more curious about what transpires from the IG’s report, if Horowitz already determined the three FISA warrant renewals lacked evidence of further criminal communications, and the first application didn’t adequately note exonerating evidence (like Page’s reported cooperation with the FBI unmasking Russian spies years ago) then all evidence derived from Page’s surveillance would be inadmissible in a legal proceeding. We don’t know what evidence Page’s monitored communications produced, but we do know he was on Trump’s ‘team’ and can reasonably expect he communicated with Manafort and Stone, perhaps Cohen (I doubt it). But if “one hop” Manafort or Stone communications were the basis for any investigation of them, evidence obtained thereby could be inadmissible as “fruit of that poisonous tree.” I expect everyone indicted by Mueller who has been convicted will appeal adducing inadmissible evidence from unwarranted surveillance.
I wish i could share your confidence.
Praising wray is a red flag for me. Wray has not been cooperative.

My confidence in Horowitz isnt that strong after him not being able to conclude there was any bias discovered in the first investigation he did

Then theres the matter of Barr electing not to prosecute an fbi agent that was determined to be responsible for ilkegally leaking confidential informstion to the media

I really do not expect anyone to be charged with anything significant when its all said and done. Its all bark and no bite.


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My confidence stems from the intertwined DoJ and FBI involvement. The fact top figures in both the Department and Bureau actually did collude (along with others at DoS, the NSA, DHS, CIA, etc.) makes the investigation more difficult, but Barr noted the people involved have left their positions and cannot interfere with his effort. Barr kept the IG investigation narrowly focused, precisely to facilitate its swift conclusion, its done now and DoJ can proceed with the Spygate matter.

I also think the gravity of this collusion cannot be downplayed, it is quite impermissible to countenance situations where the administration deploys instruments of the government to fight a political opponent, we don't want Trump ordering the IRS review of Pelosi's tax returns, having the FBI investigate the reported valuation of Bernie's estate or getting the FISA court to tap Biden's phones for foreign contacts, going after their friends and family -just because he reviles their politics.

Trump made for a good target, but what happens when the revulsion is not so great, do we want to allow high ranking decision-makers in powerful law enforcement, intelligence and justice institutions to feel entitled to persecute opponents for ideological differences?

There has to be more bite than bark because we don't want to induce the perception this sort of collusion is permissible, as others could try the same thing again. It is also in the interest of the various institutions involved because now there is enough evidence the public is aware of to induce a reasonable concern. Things like the unmasking of people who communicated with Page, leaking all those classified reports, how the FISA procedure was manipulated, reliance on that dossier, those texts from Strzok, entrapment of Papadopoulos, the paramilitary pre-dawn raids to seize evidence... there's just too much that calls into question the integrity of fundamental institutions.

I realize there are complications, the institutions are rivals, they compete for budgets, there's loyalty to the institution and antagonism towards other institutions, they also have to work together and cultivate relationships necessary for their disparate efforts.
 
For those keeping score:

People at the FBI who’ve quit, resigned, got demoted, sent to the boondocks or were fired for their involvement in what has become a tremendous mess:

  1. Director James Comey himself
  2. Deputy Director Andrew McCabe,
  3. Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok,
  4. Attorney and adulterous mistress of Strzok, Lisa Page,
  5. Chief of staff James Rybicki,
  6. General Counsel James Baker,
  7. Assistant Director for Public affairs Mike Kortan,
  8. Comey’s Special Assistant Josh Campbell,
  9. Executive Assistant Director James Turgal,
  10. Assistant Director for the Office of Congressional Affairs Greg Bower,
  11. Executive Assistant Director Michael Steinbach, and
  12. Executive Assistant Director John Giacalone.
 
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