Trump Cancels Pelosi's Trip To Egypt, Brussels And Afghanastan

[JasperL]

IF they believed it for even a minute, having DHS and SS assure her that security wasn't a concern should have prompted a retraction. Instead, Pelosi doubled down today. When asked, she explained *a* DHS employee contacted me and expressed concern. So, ONE anonymous person tells Pelosi she's concerned, and Pelosi tells Trump to postpone.
Who's buying that load of happy horse****?

Yeah, I mean seriously. Seems to me the way to motivate 100s of people to do an extraordinary job protecting the entire government is to not pay them for a month and threaten to not pay them for months longer until you get your way. Worrying about defaulting on debts, paying for medical bills, school tuition, all that cannot be a distraction to these workers! And clearly it's no ethical problem to ask unpaid workers to work long overtime and give their best with no pay and no way to know when they'll next see the paycheck they're earning!

More seriously, I have a problem with "let's shut down government, but keep open all the stuff that I care about!" approach in general. It's just a charade. If we can force "essential" personnel, such as those tasked with protecting this gala celebration called the SOTU address, to stay on the job because we'd be very inconvenienced if we actually "closed" closed government, instead of fake closed it except for the part POTUS at that time wants open, then we damn sure ought to find a way to pay them while they're WORKING. As is, we're using people with no power to resolve this conflict as the pawns, the victims.

 

[Acadia]

Yeah, I mean seriously. Seems to me the way to motivate 100s of people to do an extraordinary job protecting the entire government is to not pay them for a month and threaten to not pay them for months longer until you get your way. Worrying about defaulting on debts, paying for medical bills, school tuition, all that cannot be a distraction to these workers! And clearly it's no ethical problem to ask unpaid workers to work long overtime and give their best with no pay and no way to know when they'll next see the paycheck they're earning!

More seriously, I have a problem with "let's shut down government, but keep open all the stuff that I care about!" approach in general. It's just a charade. If we can force "essential" personnel, such as those tasked with protecting this gala celebration called the SOTU address, to stay on the job because we'd be very inconvenienced if we actually "closed" closed government, instead of fake closed it except for the part POTUS at that time wants open, then we damn sure ought to find a way to pay them while they're WORKING. As is, we're using people with no power to resolve this conflict as the pawns, the victims.

It is a real slap in the face to the men and women who are charged with protecting our politicians and more, to suggest they'd slack off their duty because of the gov't shutdown.
Total insult to these professionals.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

It's a silly response, seeing as everybody but his biggest supporters blames him for the shutdown. Lashing out at somebody else for something that's entirely his fault just makes him look (as usual) like a four year old.

That’s an insult to 4 year olds. My daughter is almost 4 and she is much more mature than he is.


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[Acadia]

This could be resolved in an hour. Dems know walls work and there have been a number of them on TV the last few days saying just that. There will be a compromise and it wont come from Pelosi. It will likely come from a group of moderates in the senate and it will be impossible for either Trump or pelosi to resist.

I contacted my (D) Representative. His response included the LIE that walls don't work. I'd like to write back and tell him to get bent. What an insult to me.

 

[JasperL]

3 hours ago, Nancy was opining how horrible it was that a Federal employee couldn't afford to treat her diabetes with insulin. Now, think about this...she knew the whole time that she would be leaving the country and there was ZERO chance that poor woman would get her next paycheck as scheduled. Pelosi's bags were packed and her trip held a secret.
That actually makes me sick and really angry.
Every American should be angry that Pelosi was *this close* to absconding and leaving 800,000 workers without pay, completely shutting down negotiations until she returned.
People can't wait that long!!

Well, the House passed bills to fund the shuttered agencies and reopen government. They're all sitting on McConnell's desk. Why aren't you directing some of your ire his way?

Also, too, phones exist and people talk on them and do business on them, and someone like Pelosi on government transport can decide day 1 to return to the U.S. and be ready to convene the House at 9am day 2 from pretty much anywhere in the world.

 

[HumblePi]

It is a real slap in the face to the men and women who are charged with protecting our politicians and more, to suggest they'd slack off their duty because of the gov't shutdown.
Total insult to these professionals.

That's ridiculous and it's just not true. "A slap in the face" was made when Trump slapped 800,000 people who are the victims of his dictatorial tirade to get his way.

 

[Acadia]

Well, the House passed bills to fund the shuttered agencies and reopen government. They're all sitting on McConnell's desk. Why aren't you directing some of your ire his way?

Also, too, phones exist and people talk on them and do business on them, and someone like Pelosi on government transport can decide day 1 to return to the U.S. and be ready to convene the House at 9am day 2 from pretty much anywhere in the world.

Based on history, the shutdown doesn't exist to Pelosi when she's not in D.C., further, when she sends here aides, as she's done, she doesn't mean business.
Dems can pass all they want. It's window dressing. Kabuki theater.
Remember when Obama got a bill on his desk to repeal Obamacare? VETO.
They knew it. We knew it.
Why go through the b.s.?

This is so simple. Give Trump a couple billion and call it a day. Get something you want in return and let's get past this.

Not. Hard.

 

[Acadia]

That's ridiculous and it's just not true. "A slap in the face" was made when Trump slapped 800,000 people who are the victims of his dictatorial tirade to get his way.

Oh, you can't be serious!

 

[Fletch]

Well, the House passed bills to fund the shuttered agencies and reopen government. They're all sitting on McConnell's desk. Why aren't you directing some of your ire his way?

Also, too, phones exist and people talk on them and do business on them, and someone like Pelosi on government transport can decide day 1 to return to the U.S. and be ready to convene the House at 9am day 2 from pretty much anywhere in the world.

Pelosi has no intention of compromising with Trump. She has made that perfectly clear. Until she comes off her uncompromising position, the government will stay closed.

 

[Barnacle]

Imagine cancelling a trip to a war zone for the person 2nd in line to the presidency

Especially when she was so worried about security in her own country ... :lamo

 

[JasperL]

It is a real slap in the face to the men and women who are charged with protecting our politicians and more, to suggest they'd slack off their duty because of the gov't shutdown.
Total insult to these professionals.

It's not an insult to recognize that family and financial problems such as not being paid for weeks, and possibly months, and the resulting financial hardships like defaulting on debts, not making tuition payments, etc. can distract a person from serious work no matter how hard they try to not let such concerns interfere.

And I also, of course, made the ethical argument that it's unfair to demand extraordinary effort for no pay, etc.

Country to Secret Service and others:

"Hey guys, sorry about the no pay for weeks and maybe months things. We appreciate your sacrifice and dedication. You are true patriots!

And to show you how much we appreciate your sacrifice, we're going to hold a MASSIVE, UNNECESSARY GALA involving the entire upper reaches of the U.S. government, and it's YOUR job to provide security for US for no pay! Thanks again for your tremendous sacrifice as the elites sacrifice nothing! You're the bestest!

 

[Serenity]

Another teaser to keep the cult like audience glued to the TV awaiting the next instalment of your reality TV show, "The White House."

 

[j-mac]

Based on history, the shutdown doesn't exist to Pelosi when she's not in D.C., further, when she sends here aides, as she's done, she doesn't mean business.
Dems can pass all they want. It's window dressing. Kabuki theater.
Remember when Obama got a bill on his desk to repeal Obamacare? VETO.
They knew it. We knew it.
Why go through the b.s.?

This is so simple. Give Trump a couple billion and call it a day. Get something you want in return and let's get past this.

Not. Hard.

There is absolutely NO way Pelosi can buck AOC, or Talib.

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[Barnacle]

OMG, Congressional members were on the military bus!! Their bags were packed. Pelosi told them to not breathe a word of this codel.

Who in their right mind believes the head of the Dem party should be going overseas, GUARANTEEING that federal workers' paychecks would not go out, again?

Adam Schiff's eyes must have bulged out even more when he was told his tax-payer paid vacation was cancelled. :lamo

 

[Barnacle]

Another teaser to keep the cult like audience glued to the TV awaiting the next instalment of your reality TV show, "The White House."

I'm so happy to see that you're enjoying the same reality TV show ... (grin)

 

[Acadia]

Adam Schiff's eyes must have bulged out even more when he was told his tax-payer paid vacation was cancelled. :lamo

I bet his pencil neck almost snapped.

 

[Acadia]

It's not an insult to recognize that family and financial problems such as not being paid for weeks, and possibly months, and the resulting financial hardships like defaulting on debts, not making tuition payments, etc. can distract a person from serious work no matter how hard they try to not let such concerns interfere.

And I also, of course, made the ethical argument that it's unfair to demand extraordinary effort for no pay, etc.

Country to Secret Service and others:

"Hey guys, sorry about the no pay for weeks and maybe months things. We appreciate your sacrifice and dedication. You are true patriots!

And to show you how much we appreciate your sacrifice, we're going to hold a MASSIVE, UNNECESSARY GALA involving the entire upper reaches of the U.S. government, and it's YOUR job to provide security for US for no pay! Thanks again for your tremendous sacrifice as the elites sacrifice nothing! You're the bestest!

Of course we all realize this, but it's insulting to further imply they won't fulfill their duties to the fullest.

 

[ludin]

Um...she's not a prisoner here. I know you think Trump is a king but he's not.

She is perfectly fine going on a commercial jet to those places instead of using tax payer dollars if she wants to go.
How she thinks it is ok to jetset across europe etc while people are not getting paid is beyond me.

not only that but her leaving and not coming back in 7 days would mean that they would miss another pay check.

now she has time to get the government open and get people back to work and get them paid instead of jet setting.
maybe she would be more inclined to work this out if it was her not getting paid.

 

[JasperL]

Based on history, the shutdown doesn't exist to Pelosi when she's not in D.C., further, when she sends here aides, as she's done, she doesn't mean business.
Dems can pass all they want. It's window dressing. Kabuki theater.
Remember when Obama got a bill on his desk to repeal Obamacare? VETO.
They knew it. We knew it.
Why go through the b.s.?

This is so simple. Give Trump a couple billion and call it a day. Get something you want in return and let's get past this.

Not. Hard.

Here's the basic problem - Trump shut down government instead of sign a CR that would have left open the border funding issue for negotiations in the interim. So the person making this whole thing, "MY WAY OR ELSE!!" is Trump. He's also demanding from a newly installed Democratic House majority a level of funding never approved by the GOP, at least in the Senate and only by the House because those voting knew it was DOA.

But, hey, I'm all for a compromise solution here. Split the difference, AFTER Trump opens up government. I do actually think it's dangerous to reward him for his tactics here, both shutting down government after giving the Senate the thumbs up on a CR, and what he's also doing which is using the threat of declaring a national emergency as a bargaining chip.

 

[Cardinal]

She is perfectly fine going on a commercial jet to those places instead of using tax payer dollars if she wants to go.
How she thinks it is ok to jetset across europe etc while people are not getting paid is beyond me.

not only that but her leaving and not coming back in 7 days would mean that they would miss another pay check.

now she has time to get the government open and get people back to work and get them paid instead of jet setting.
maybe she would be more inclined to work this out if it was her not getting paid.

Oh, well I'm glad you agree that she's allowed to travel. If one were only exposed to Acadia's post one could be forgiven for thinking that the President must approve of all international travel for the country's citizens and can arbitrarily confine them to inside the country.

 

[Crosscheck]

All Dems have to do is give Trump a measly $4 billion for border security. Until they do, they are just as responsible for the shutdown.

Who shut down the government and for what reason? What reason was needed to hold the Coast Guards pay?

Nobody can give a reason to that question because it is nothing but a game to the douche bag in the WH.

Nice try to deflect though. Move on.

 

[ludin]

That's ridiculous and it's just not true. "A slap in the face" was made when Trump slapped 800,000 people who are the victims of his dictatorial tirade to get his way.

actually if i remember correctly it was the democrats in the senate the refused to let the bill pass so that this wouldn't happen.
trump was ready to sign it and they refused to send it to him.

So whose fault is it again?

this was before the Dem's took over the house.
history revisionism isn't your friend.

 

[ludin]

Who shut down the government and for what reason? What reason was needed to hold the Coast Guards pay?

Nobody can give a reason to that question because it is nothing but a game to the douche bag in the WH.

Nice try to deflect though. Move on.

you don't seem to remember that a bill was passed by the republican house and the democrats in the senate
fillibustered it.

Trump was ready to sign it.

so there you go your deflection isn't really noted that well.

 

[Lursa]

:lamo

ah, just look at The Donald stooping even lower...tit for tat.

I doubt Pelosi even cares, but it would be a trip in the best interests of our country, so there goes petty, small Donald, stomping his foot.

 

[ludin]

Oh, well I'm glad you agree that she's allowed to travel. If one were only exposed to Acadia's post one could be forgiven for thinking that the President must approve of all international travel for the country's citizens and can arbitrarily confine them to inside the country.

The president can authorize or not authorize the use of military jets as what pelosi wanted.
as for her excuse as to walls don't work she might want to take the one around her house down.