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Trump Cancels Pelosi's Trip To Egypt, Brussels And Afghanastan

Trump recovered the initiative today, and the pressure on Pelosi will increase further after McConnell pushes his bill through the Senate quickly.

........and the Redskins and Vikings will win many SBs!
 
........and the Redskins and Vikings will win many SBs!

It's the lesson Clinton taught Gingrich. The POTUS has many more tools and options in a face-off with the HoR. If McConnell can deliver quick passage of Trump's bill in the Senate, Pelosi will feel increasing heat.
 
My question remains: So what?

I'm not making a hypocrisy argument. Frankly, it doesn't concern me at all that Democrats in a different circumstance voted for Bill X and in different circumstances, after a big Democratic election, oppose Bill Not X. Even if they were the same bill, there might be good reasons to oppose the compromise reached in a different era with different circumstances, especially given the circumstances we find ourselves in, with government held hostage by a wannabe autocrat and man-child.

I've told you why I don't believe Democrats should give in to Trump's "or else!!" demand. Hypocrisy never made it on the list. If you're confused about why I think the appropriate Democratic response to Trump's demand, and his recent 'compromise' proposal is, "No!" or "LMFAO, you got to be kidding me" review my previous comments.
 
You're missing the point. In 2013, Sen. Ted Cruz and the entire GOP House VOTED AGAINST THE WALL!!! So they all opposed THE WALL in 2013 and now he's demanding Democrats give him the WALL Cruz and the GOP House voted against in 2013. Shocking isn't it how hypocritical those guys are - demanding Democrats fund what Cruz and the entire GOP House refused to vote for just 5 years ago.... :roll:

I'm not making a hypocrisy argument. Frankly, it doesn't concern me at all that Democrats in a different circumstance voted for Bill X and in different circumstances, after a big Democratic election, oppose Bill Not X. Even if they were the same bill, there might be good reasons to oppose the compromise reached in a different era with different circumstances, especially given the circumstances we find ourselves in, with government held hostage by a wannabe autocrat and man-child.

I've told you why I don't believe Democrats should give in to Trump's "or else!!" demand. Hypocrisy never made it on the list. If you're confused about why I think the appropriate Democratic response to Trump's demand, and his recent 'compromise' proposal is, "No!" or "LMFAO, you got to be kidding me" review my previous comments.

Hmmm.
 
Shocking isn't it how hypocritical those guys are -


I'm not making a hypocrisy argument.



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I'd have thought you'd have learned sarcasm in grade school, or at least by high school. Weird how you're retired now and still don't understand the concept...

Also, too, if you're actually confused, and I suspect you're not, you might want to go back a few posts. Should have been obvious, but I'm sarcastically mocking, pointing out the stupidity of, someone else's hypocrisy!! claim, which was based on Democrats voting for X in 2013 and NOT-X in 2019. So it's a dumb talking point, approaching brain dead, seen about 100 times on DP in the past week, and repeated by propagandists and politicians on the right like idiot Ted Cruz, whose comments, quoted favorably, calling Democrats hypocrites is started this side discussion.
 
I'd have thought you'd have learned sarcasm in grade school, or at least by high school. Weird how you're retired now and still don't understand the concept...

Also, too, if you're actually confused, and I suspect you're not, you might want to go back a few posts. Should have been obvious, but I'm sarcastically mocking, pointing out the stupidity of, someone else's hypocrisy!! claim, which was based on Democrats voting for X in 2013 and NOT-X in 2019. So it's a dumb talking point, approaching brain dead, seen about 100 times on DP in the past week, and repeated by propagandists and politicians on the right like idiot Ted Cruz, whose comments, quoted favorably, calling Democrats hypocrites is started this side discussion.

Regardless, it's a "hypocrisy argument" even if you're claiming the accusation of hypocrisy is false.
 
Regardless, it's a "hypocrisy argument" even if you're claiming the accusation of hypocrisy is false.

It's actually not. Saying, "That argument is false/stupid, even on its own terms" doesn't require one to accept the premise of the argument. I'm pointing out Cruz's quote was illogical and relied on a dishonest premise, and Cruz is either stupid (doubtful) or made the argument in bad faith (almost a guarantee).
 
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It's actually not. Saying, "That argument is false/stupid, even on its own terms" doesn't require one to accept the premise of the argument. I'm pointing out Cruz's quote was illogical and relied on a dishonest premise, and Cruz is either stupid (doubtful) or made the argument in bad faith (almost a guarantee).

It's still an argument about hypocrisy = a hypocrisy argument.
 
This is a disgusting post. Goodbye.

What pray tell is disgusting about it? I sympathize with furloughed federal workers, however no more so then employees in the private sector who are at greater risk of furloughs or lay offs. The vast majority of private sector workers do not get back pay or pensions.
 
Right from the playbook, get caught in a lie, (sloppy poster was giving you the benefit of the doubt), double down and deflect. Where is Pelosi on tape taking the “mantle” of the shutdown? I’ll wait....

When she refused to negotiate at all with Trump. Nancy Pelosi now owns the shutdown.
 
When she refused to negotiate at all with Trump. Nancy Pelosi now owns the shutdown.

Pelosi and her house have passed bills to end the shut down.

McConnell refuses to bring those bills for consideration in the senate.

No, Pelosi doesn't own this. McConnell does. Senators are not allowed to represent their states with a vote.

Nice try, though.
 
Yep. She usually does not travel that much in such a short period of time. She appears to be going out of her way to stay out of Washington DC during the shutdown.

What else can she do? She and the body of government over which she presides have passed multiple bills to end the shut down. The body over which McConnell presides has done nothing-he won't let them vote. He's the hostage-taker here.
 
Trump is an imbecile! You post crap. ..and the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

If Trump is an imbecile, what does that make the democrats....especially the Hillary camp? He cleaned their clocks in 2016 and since in many ways.

If Trump and his handlers had kept their powder dry and let Pelosi and company leave US airspace, just think of all the mileage he could have accrued! Pelosi will/is eating Trump’s lunch. Watch and learn.

Trump is not in it for the political mileage. He is simply honoring a campaign promise. Trump does want to end the shutdown. Nancy obviously does not want to or at least does not want to give anything up for it. The democrat party is looking hysterical and silly fighting Trump on something they were all for when they voted in favor of the "Secure Fence Act" in 2006.
 
Are you asking anyone to cry a river for you and your layoff? You were 26 years old for god's sake and free to go seek employment and collect unemployment benefits, weren't you? You didn't have to sell your plasma to put food on the table for a family of five, I'm sure of that. Some states have a waiting period before workers qualify for unemployment and the application process can take weeks. Government workers are going to hit another roadblock, no one is at their office to verify their lack of employment. Anyone that applies for unemployment must be available to work and there aren't many employers who are going to be willing to hire a federal worker who only needs a temporary job and will leave when the shutdown ends. In order to keep receiving unemployment benefits in most states, they must prove that they're looking for work, including making contact with at least two other organizations each week. In addition to all of that, federal workers will have to pay back any money they receive under the unemployment program if Congress passes legislation to compensate them for the period the government was closed.

This is not easy and above anything, these people need to be working. That's priority #1 and anything else comes second. Imagine if you can, the crowd size at Trump's inauguration. Got that picture in your head? Now imagine a crowd of people three times that size that are currently not working because of the shutdown and that number doesn't even include sub-contractors or the families of all these 800k people. This is all profoundly disturbing.

Relax. I am not laughing at them, mocking them, or yelling "Hah hah!" I am just refusing to give them any more sympathy then I give private sector workers who are actually more at risk then federal workers. And no, I am not asking anyone to cry for me over my getting laid off for six months in my late twenties. I dealt with it and managed to get by. I did take advantage of unemployment benefits, though they did not make up for the amount I was making before the lay off. I also worked the odd job or two. And as for the quantity of federal workers missing a paycheck or two, consider the number of workers who were laid off over rises in corporate tax rates over the years that led to manufacturing jobs going overseas. Just one example...in my locality, International Paper shut down a factory and moved operations to Mexico, partially over the highest corporate tax rates in the world and partially over NAFTA. The number of jobs lost, not just at International Paper, but all of the subcontractors and other businesses that depended on IP devastated the local economy for two decades. As for federal workers having to pay back the unemployment benefits, well, why shouldn't they? They will be getting back pay.
And again, I sympathise with the federal workers and anyone else who has to miss paychecks for any reason, however I am asking them to man up like private sector workers do. So far they have missed one paycheck. They may miss another. However that will be on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
 
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Your not very good at protection Coward Pelosi, she keeps saying the same old thing, "open the border and we'll talk". What a damn lie. She's had 28 days to talk and nothing from Coward Pelosi.

The narrative that the democrats are in effect pushing is: "We weaponized government shutdowns to our political benefit for decades, however we do not want the republicans to use it at all." In their own way, they are proving that they own the shutdown. They had Trump's first two years to negotiate and compromise with Trump and the republicans. Now they are saying: "End the shutdown before any negotiations can take place.
 
Pelosi and her house have passed bills to end the shut down.

So what! Neither the Senate or the president are obligated to take a bill in the house as the "final word". Washington DC does not work that way. There are two houses of Congress and the White House. Nancy does not call all the shots.

McConnell refuses to bring those bills for consideration in the senate.

Because he knows, one, that Trump will not sign those bills and two, there are not enough votes in the House or Senate to override a presidential veto.

No, Pelosi doesn't own this. McConnell does. Senators are not allowed to represent their states with a vote.

As long as Nancy is playing 100% obstructionist and refuses to negotiate with the president, she absolutely owns the shutdown. If she ever comes to the table and seriously negotiates, then both her and Chuckie will only own half the shutdown. Trump and McConnell would own the other half. That's how Washington DC works, Neither the president or either house of congress controls everything. Trump is at least putting offers on the table. Nancy and Chuckie are just repeating: "No money for the wall, now or ever". And the hysterical aspect is that they were for the wall before they were against it.

Nice try, though.

Yawn....
 
What else can she do? She and the body of government over which she presides have passed multiple bills to end the shut down. The body over which McConnell presides has done nothing-he won't let them vote. He's the hostage-taker here.

You obviously do not have a clue how government is supposed to work. Just the simple act of passing bills that she knows the president will not sign is not an act of negotiation or compromise. McConnell knows that Trump will not sign anything from the House of Reps unless it includes funding for a border wall. Nancy does not get off the hook by simply passing bills. She must pass a bill that can get through the senate and the White House.
 
The narrative that the democrats are in effect pushing is: "We weaponized government shutdowns to our political benefit for decades, however we do not want the republicans to use it at all." In their own way, they are proving that they own the shutdown. They had Trump's first two years to negotiate and compromise with Trump and the republicans. Now they are saying: "End the shutdown before any negotiations can take place.

Worse, Pelosi has said she will not negotiate on border fence funding. But, oh yeah, open the government back up knowing we won't give you jack ****.
 
You obviously do not have a clue how government is supposed to work. Just the simple act of passing bills that she knows the president will not sign is not an act of negotiation or compromise. McConnell knows that Trump will not sign anything from the House of Reps unless it includes funding for a border wall. Nancy does not get off the hook by simply passing bills. She must pass a bill that can get through the senate and the White House.

Bingo. Amazing how many think the Dems can jet off to their favorite tropical beach vacation because they passed a bill in which they offer nothing and concede nothing. It doesn't work that way! No lollipop for you!
Go back and start over again. You haven't done your job until you put forth legislation that has the highest probability of getting the President's desk and being signed.
 
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