Trump battles with Democrats as impeachment pressure grows

[jghiretire]

*For two years his party controlled Congress *

It takes 60 votes to control the Senate, so no the Rebubs didn't control Congress

They had the house too - yes actually they did. Sad you guys can't seem to count well.

 

[uptower]

What's this lunacy?

Fox has some convinced this is an actual story

 

[uptower]

This is all political theater and if history is any indicator will bode badly for the dems just as it did for the GOP all those years ago. If you're going to impeach do so, other than a footnote in the annals of history, it is irreverent and changes nothing.

The impeachers won the next election after that.

 

[jghiretire]

Who was convicted of collusion. Inform me.

If you can't read, I can't help you.
You are ignoring everything but collusion.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

All this impeachment talk isn't going to stop the release of the IG report or stop Trump from declassifying those FBI FISA applications

The Plame case taught us that the PotUS can declassify on the fly, on a whim.

So, Trump can declassify w/e he likes whenever he feels froggy.

Any second now, probably.

 

[GDViking]

and Pelosi isn’t running to IMPEACH.....what’s wrong with her?

She is playing politics rather than doing her damn job.

 

[hanger4]

How does the Senate determine which party gets to pick committee chairs etc. when neither party has 60 members in the Senate?

Or are you using some version of the word "control" which does not apply to setting the Senate's agenda etc?

Controlling the agenda is one thing, control to defeat the filibuster to facilitate said agenda is everything and that takes 60 votes.

 

[Crystal]

If you can't read, I can't help you.
You are ignoring everything but collusion.

You have nothing.

 

[hanger4]

They had the house too - yes actually they did. Sad you guys can't seem to count well.

Count to 60, then understand that's the number of votes it takes the stop a filibuster. Having the votes to do so is control of the Senate. The Repubs didn't have 60, therefore no control.

 

[JustHanging]

Spent 35 million dollars on a phoney investigation into Russia.

30+ indictments, numerous convictions, and you really believe it's "phoney", don't you? Think about how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Never mind, obviously you can't, or you never would said something so laughable in the first place.

I sincerely hope one day you come to realize you are the product of a failed educational system, and put in the hard work necessary to learn to think for yourself.

 

[TheDeplorable]

The impeachers won the next election after that.

It was one of the few times in history the President's party gained seats in the house midterms.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

In November 1998, the Democrats picked up five seats in the House although the Republicans still maintained majority control.[12] The results were a particular embarrassment for House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who, before the election, had been reassured by private polling that Clinton's scandal would result in Republican gains of up to thirty House seats.[12] Shortly after the elections, Gingrich, who had been one of the leading advocates for impeachment,[13] announced he would resign from Congress as soon as he was able to find somebody to fill his vacant seat;[12] Gingrich fulfilled this pledge, and officially resigned from Congress on January 3, 1999.[14]

 

[GDViking]

Basically we have the Clinton Impeachment all over again. President Clinton was impeached by the house on one count of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice, two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House.
Pretty much the same charges in the same house where Dems now want to charge President Trump. In both cases in the senate, impeachment did not nor will not pass. A 2/3 majority is required. Bottom line, like Clinton, President Trump will remain president and is highly likely to also be re-elected. This is all political theater and if history is any indicator will bode badly for the dems just as it did for the GOP all those years ago. If you're going to impeach do so, other than a footnote in the annals of history, it is irreverent and changes nothing.

I disagree, this is not about a blowjob, everyone knew Republicans were reaching to attack Clinton for one incident that should have been between himself and his wife and never should have been made public.

With trump this is a case of many, many examples of criminal activity inside the Whitehouse, against the best interests of America, and only in trumps best interest...

BIG difference!!!

 

[Praxas]

Count to 60, then understand that's the number of votes it takes the stop a filibuster. Having the votes to do so is control of the Senate. The Repubs didn't have 60, therefore no control.

They could have used the nuclear option so stop lying. They had the means to control whatever they wanted to.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Controlling the agenda is one thing, control to defeat the filibuster to facilitate said agenda is everything and that takes 60 votes.

So the GOP controlled what votes took place, what the rules were for the votes, what the rules are for how the Senate conducts business, and other piddling things like that, but they had no "real" control over the Senate in the sense that you are using the word "control"?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Count to 60, then understand that's the number of votes it takes the stop a filibuster. Having the votes to do so is control of the Senate. The Repubs didn't have 60, therefore no control.

The GOP had "no control" over the Senate except for controlling what votes took place, what the rules were for the votes, what the rules are for how the Senate conducts business, and other piddling things like that.

 

[tres borrachos]

The GOP had "no control" over the Senate except for controlling what votes took place, what the rules were for the votes, what the rules are for how the Senate conducts business, and other piddling things like that.

It never ceases to amaze me how many time we repeat the same things over and over, and it goes nowhere. Actually, no it doesn't. We are posting with people who have exactly no idea how government works. All they know is "Trump is God".

 

[Common Sense 1]

The U.S. government will actually turn a nice profit after confiscating all of Paul Manfort's properties and assets worth close to $46 million. Now Congress can investigate Trump's tax cheating and money laundering in addition to the 12 instances cited in the Mueller report part II regarding evidence of obstruction of justice.

Mueller probe could turn a profit, thanks to Manafort assets

Results of Mueller Investigation to date:

Paul Manafort - in prison
Michael Cohen - in prison
Michael Flynn - pleaded guilty
George Papadopoulos - pleaded guilty, served jail time
Rick gates - pleaded guilty, still cooperating with FBI
Alex Van der Zwaan - pleaded guilty, sentenced and expelled from the US
Richard Pinedo - pleaded guilty
Konstantin Kilmnik (Russian) -indicted
Roger Stone - indicted, awaiting trial
13 Russian Nationals - indicted - Conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit wire/ bank fraud, identity theft
12 Russian Military Officers - indicted - Conspiracy to commit computer crimes, identity theft, money laundering

Being silly again? Yup! NO Russian Collusion charges and NO obstruction charges!

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.

In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding.

The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Read Attorney General William Barr’s Summary of the Mueller Report - The New York Times



The special counsel’s office announced that Russians had been indicted by a federal grand jury for their efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

Rosenstein: No allegation of American involvement or election impact – in this particular indictment

Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized that in this particular indictment, there is no allegation that these operatives had any effect on the outcome of the election. He also highlighted that Friday’s indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in the Russian operation.

Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein on grand jury indictment of Russians

 

[GreatNews2night]

Now, Trump has threatened to do absolutely nothing unless all the investigations just go away.

Well, I don't think Democrats should waste political capital pursuing impeachment which is futile anyway since the GOP-controlled Senate will never convict and remove Trump from office, so, the Dems should focus on the 2020 race, which is the only way to dislodge Trump from the White House.

On the other hand, if Trump goes on strike and refuses to do anything, thank God! Trump not doing anything is actually great, because every time he does something, it's a disaster!

If he wants to spend the rest of his term playing golf and enjoying his Mar-a-Lago resort, fine with me!

 

[Crystal]

Well, I don't think Democrats should waste political capital pursuing impeachment which is futile anyway since the GOP-controlled Senate will never convict and remove Trump from office, so, the Dems should focus on the 2020 race, which is the only way to dislodge Trump from the White House.

On the other hand, if Trump goes on strike and refuses to do anything, thank God! Trump not doing anything is actually great, because every time he does something, it's a disaster!

If he wants to spend the rest of his term playing golf and enjoying his Mar-a-Lago resort, fine with me!

No you should absolutely seek impeachment.

 

[GDViking]

Being silly again? Yup! NO Russian Collusion charges and NO obstruction charges!

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.

In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding.

The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election. As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Read Attorney General William Barr’s Summary of the Mueller Report - The New York Times



The special counsel’s office announced that Russians had been indicted by a federal grand jury for their efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

Rosenstein: No allegation of American involvement or election impact – in this particular indictment

Rosenstein repeatedly emphasized that in this particular indictment, there is no allegation that these operatives had any effect on the outcome of the election. He also highlighted that Friday’s indictment does not allege that any American knowingly participated in the Russian operation.

Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein on grand jury indictment of Russians

:lamo:lamo:lamo

You are still clinging to Barr's bull**** assessment after even enough of the Mueller report is public to prove him not only wrong, but a partisan hack???

 

[hanger4]

They could have used the nuclear option so stop lying. They had the means to control whatever they wanted to.

60 votes are still required to end a filibuster on legislation.

 

[HumblePi]

Well, I don't think Democrats should waste political capital pursuing impeachment which is futile anyway since the GOP-controlled Senate will never convict and remove Trump from office, so, the Dems should focus on the 2020 race, which is the only way to dislodge Trump from the White House.

On the other hand, if Trump goes on strike and refuses to do anything, thank God! Trump not doing anything is actually great, because every time he does something, it's a disaster!

If he wants to spend the rest of his term playing golf and enjoying his Mar-a-Lago resort, fine with me!

I'm not sure there's anyone living in purple states or independents that switched their votes to Trump in 2016 are going to be all that anxious to vote for Trump while he's under impeachment. And if 'not doing anything' for our country is great with you that's testament to the fact that you care more about your livid defense of a criminal over your concern or care for this country.

 

[GDViking]

Well, I don't think Democrats should waste political capital pursuing impeachment which is futile anyway since the GOP-controlled Senate will never convict and remove Trump from office, so, the Dems should focus on the 2020 race, which is the only way to dislodge Trump from the White House.

On the other hand, if Trump goes on strike and refuses to do anything, thank God! Trump not doing anything is actually great, because every time he does something, it's a disaster!

If he wants to spend the rest of his term playing golf and enjoying his Mar-a-Lago resort, fine with me!

The capital to be gained could be huge.

They will never get enough to impeach, however if they get a dozen or better Republicans to back them, it would change everything...

 

[TheDeplorable]

30+ indictments, numerous convictions, and you really believe it's "phoney", don't you? Think about how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Never mind, obviously you can't, or you never would said something so laughable in the first place.

I sincerely hope one day you come to realize you are the product of a failed educational system, and put in the hard work necessary to learn to think for yourself.

Of those 30 indictments how many were on people Mueller knew would never face a trial?

13 made up Russians and 3 companies was what I had on count. Is there more?

The DOJ had been aware of the crimes committed by Paul Manafort well before Trump and up until he joined the Trump Campaign chose not to peruse.

Nothing to do with Trump or Mueller "finding" anything. There goes that one.

Now let's talk about the process crimes. There doesn't need to be an intent to deceive. Only that someone "lied" under oath. These were not crimes before Mueller, he "created" them.

George Papadopoulos
Michael Flynn
Alex Van der Zwaan
Michael Cohen

I will give you Rick Gates and Samuel Patten in their scheme, gratz.

So far not exactly what it was billed to be. Ha I can't help but think about all the news reports how the Mueller report was sure to "disappoint" and dems needed to lower their expectations. Sure did that, even I was shocked that you guys could find anything on the guy or his family. I mean I knew he was clean but I never dreamed he was this clean. To spend all those resources and to come up with nothing on him or his family...wow.

 

[hanger4]

The GOP had "no control" over the Senate except for controlling what votes took place, what the rules were for the votes, what the rules are for how the Senate conducts business, and other piddling things like that.

And the opposition party could still filibuster those which takes 60 votes to end debate, which is control.