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Trump advocates for school reopenings: 'This thing is going away'

The current nucleic acid tests don't require hours of work. Each individual testing reaction requires probably less than 1 minute of a technician's time to set up (e.g. probably a total of 30 minutes bench time to set up a single 96-well run). The 2-3 hours' time is what it takes for the reactions to proceed (i.e. waiting time that the technician can use to set up the next batch of tests). The backlog is due to lack of sufficient facilities and trained personnel to do these tests, or in many cases, unwillingness to repurpose what we already have to do this.

With a single set up of basic research-lab type equipment that was available in the late-1990s, costing less than $5000 in total, a single technician could easily run 400 tests in a single workday. With pooling, that would allow testing 2000 people per day. Give the same technician access to 5 such setups, and/or modern automated equipment, and she could process close to 10,000 tests in a single day.

So basically, for the annual salary of one superfluous administrator, and a week or two to train a few unemployed bartenders, any university or school district could set up its own testing system sufficient to test all of its students almost every day, using the most sensitive techniques available. Hell, most large universities already have all this equipment and grad students who know how to use it times 50. We don't need a federal "Manhattan Project" to do this.



Neither does waving a magic wand or looking into a crystal ball. The "instant tests" that are currently available, and the technology that exists today that could be used to create better ones, are not very sensitive or accurate.

Since you know so much about testing why are you not out there helping with the backlog? The current one week wait makes the test useless for any effort to use them to reduce the spread. As far as accuracy is concerned it is less important than speed now. That is if you care about safe reopening of our schools and businesses.

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Quick says companies are reluctant to ramp up production dramatically if they are unsure of the market for the products. One solution, he adds, could be a promise by the federal government to buy tens of millions of tests, much as it has done with vaccine doses. In one such effort, the governors of six U.S. states announced this week they are banding together to ask Quidel and BD for a total of 3 million tests.

Or the Trump administration could take over test production using the Defense Production Act, which allows the federal government to direct private companies to meet national defense needs. “I don't think it's either/or,” Quick says. “It's and/both. We don't have time to wait.”

Fast, cheap tests could enable safer reopening | Science
 
As far as accuracy is concerned it is less important than speed now.

Don't be silly. If a test has only a 2% false positive rate, and only 0.1% of people taking the test are actually infected, then it's less than useless.
 
Don't be silly. If a test has only a 2% false positive rate, and only 0.1% of people taking the test are actually infected, then it's less than useless.

False negatives are the problem with fast tests not false positives. Why would you not know that? False positives would not be a problem, some people would needlessly quarantine but the spread would be controlled. But even the false negatives do not negate that value of faster cheaper tests. What we are using now are virtually useless.

Study Raises Questions About False Negatives From Quick COVID-19 Test : Shots - Health News : NPR
 
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False negatives are the problem with fast tests not false positives. Why would you not know that? False positives would not be a problem, some people would needlessly quarantine but the spread would be controlled. But even the false negatives do not negate that value of faster cheaper tests. What we are using now are virtually useless.

Study Raises Questions About False Negatives From Quick COVID-19 Test : Shots - Health News : NPR

Of course false positives are a problem. If your test has a 2% false positive rate, and your population only has 1 in 1000 infected people, then a positive result only has a 1 in 21 chance of being accurate. If you test people every day over the course of a semester with that test, more than half will get a false positive test during that period.

The Abbott ID Now system is the best anyone has come up with for a commercial clinical rapid test, but it is not actually terribly quick. It takes 13 minutes to do a SINGLE Test, meaning at best a single unit could run about 100 tests per day. Using a non-commercial testing system (i.e. what you would use in a research lab) would make it much cheaper and allow testing of far more people, and there's no practical obstacle to implementing it on a widespread basis for anyone who really wants to do it.
 
Of course false positives are a problem. If your test has a 2% false positive rate, and your population only has 1 in 1000 infected people, then a positive result only has a 1 in 21 chance of being accurate. If you test people every day over the course of a semester with that test, more than half will get a false positive test during that period.

The Abbott ID Now system is the best anyone has come up with for a commercial clinical rapid test, but it is not actually terribly quick. It takes 13 minutes to do a SINGLE Test, meaning at best a single unit could run about 100 tests per day. Using a non-commercial testing system (i.e. what you would use in a research lab) would make it much cheaper and allow testing of far more people, and there's no practical obstacle to implementing it on a widespread basis for anyone who really wants to do it.

False positives are only a problem if they happen and that is not the case. It is false negatives that is the "flaw" in rapid testing. I can only assume you are obsessed with the lie that our case numbers are too high because of false positives. It is almost as stupid as claiming more testing causes more cases. People who are healthy don't wait in line for hours to get a test.
 
False positives are only a problem if they happen and that is not the case.

Where do you get this?

I can only assume you are obsessed with the lie that our case numbers are too high because of false positives. It is almost as stupid as claiming more testing causes more cases.

Why would you assume this, other than you want another reason to think you're right, and everyone else is wrong.

It is almost as stupid as claiming more testing causes more cases.

Nobody actually says this. The fact that you think they are is just a reflection of your inability to understand logic.
 
False positives are only a problem if they happen and that is not the case. It is false negatives that is the "flaw" in rapid testing. I can only assume you are obsessed with the lie that our case numbers are too high because of false positives. It is almost as stupid as claiming more testing causes more cases. People who are healthy don't wait in line for hours to get a test.

I personally know someone who was in line waiting for the test, had already filled out all of the paperwork, but it was taking too long so they left before they were tested. Some days later they received positive results on a test they never had taken. And, no, they aren't Trumpers. While I think most of the results are true, there are always going to be mess-ups, false positives/negatives, etc.
 
I personally know someone who was in line waiting for the test, had already filled out all of the paperwork, but it was taking too long so they left before they were tested. Some days later they received positive results on a test they never had taken. And, no, they aren't Trumpers. While I think most of the results are true, there are always going to be mess-ups, false positives/negatives, etc.

No kidding. The world isn't perfect so why don't we all just throw in the towel?
 
No kidding. The world isn't perfect so why don't we all just throw in the towel?

….? I don't know why you're saying this to me. I didn't say or even imply that.
 
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