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Trump administration to threaten ICC judges with sanctions, prosecution

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...using-and-sexually-humiliating-prisoners.html

We have soldiers and CIA who committed war crimes and tortured people in Afghanistan. There is ZERO doubt about it as some, but not all were prosecuted here in the US. Waterboarding is TORTURE whether Trump cares or not us irrelevant. The crimes were committed by us in a war in a foreign country so stop whinning about sovreignty when we dont give a rat about the sovereignty of other countries
 
ClaraD said:
What is ignorant is the thought that anyone should be allowed to commit war crimes.
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It appears that Trump making war on the investigtion of war crimes is a good thing in some quarters. How deplorable.
 
ClaraD said:
Did you forget the other 120 judges?
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What other 120 judges?

"The eighteen judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC) are elected for nine-year terms by the member-countries of the court. ..."
 
Manc Skipper said:
It appears that Trump making war on the investigtion of war crimes is a good thing in some quarters. How deplorable.
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When did he do that?

Note that this came from Bolton. And in any case, he's objecting to trials from a court that isn't recognized under treaty, and we aren't subject to. Nothing is preventing investigation, and this doesn't prevent trials under an appropriate forum.
 
Barnacle said:
What other 120 judges?

"The eighteen judges of the International Criminal Court (ICC) are elected for nine-year terms by the member-countries of the court. ..."
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I meant to say other 120 countries. There are 123 countries that signed...mentioned are only 3.
 
dcsports said:
When did he do that?

Note that this came from Bolton. And in any case, he's objecting to trials from a court that isn't recognized under treaty, and we aren't subject to. Nothing is preventing investigation, and this doesn't prevent trials under an appropriate forum.
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The entire world is subject to being charged with war crimes....just ask Lybia
 
dcsports said:
When did he do that?

Note that this came from Bolton. And in any case, he's objecting to trials from a court that isn't recognized under treaty, and we aren't subject to. Nothing is preventing investigation, and this doesn't prevent trials under an appropriate forum.
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That is the ICC's role. The independent investigation and prosecution of war crimes. Trump/Bolton don't like that.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The United States is a sovereign nation and there are no laws superior to the US Constitution regarding the US or our actions.

The ICC has no authority over the US.
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Only because the US has refused to join the ICC under GWB as I recall. The reason we didn't join is because Bush was very much into the Neocon theory of the Unitary Executive. Bush had Yoo and Bybee construct legal sophistry in defense of torture and in violation of Title 18 of the US Code. We have come a long way from our principled behavior in Nuremberg.

Fortunately Bush & Co were convicted in absentia in Malaysia in 2012, in accordance with international law, by the US citizen and attorney Francis Boyle.

In keeping the US out of the ICC, the Neocons revealed their plans for wholesale crimes against humanity.
 
ClaraD said:
So he is threatening our judges? Clearly an impeachable offense
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Trump's administration through national security advisor John Bolton, is threatening International Criminal Crimes judges for daring to investigate possible war crimes committed by the U.S.

The United States is pledging to use "any means necessary" to protect American citizens and allies from International Criminal Court prosecution. John Bolton, said Monday the court is "illegitimate" and "for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."

This is exactly what Trump has done to fight the FBI investigation. Republicans have claimed the investigation is 'illegitimate'. They feel that if they can get enough people to believe that it's all fake and made up by disgruntled Democrats that they can get enough people to demand that it be ended.

The International Criminal Crimes Court is located in the Hague. For anyone who doesn't know, the Hague is a city in the Netherlands. This video explains exactly what the ICJ does. An abbreviated definition of the Hague would be that it's an international tribunal or a court of the highest order representing every nation that is member of the United Nations. The Hague is a permanent court accessible at all times for the resolution of international differences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DME-wfbt08c


The ICC has a mandate to prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. Well OMG! Did the U.S.A. commit some type of war crime that we're being accused of? Could we, would we? I don’t remember voting for the U.S. bombs to murder little kids in Yemen, do you? That's exactly what happened just last month when a U.S. Lockheed Martin made bomb was dropped by the Saudis on Yemen (a USA ally) killing a bus filled with school children returning from a summer camp picnic. A spokesman for the Saudi coalition called it "a legitimate military operation" in its campaign against Houthi rebels that operate in northern Yemen — a claim that was scoffed at by most of the rest of the world, alarmed at the growing humanitarian crisis in the region.

But the murder of innocent kids in Yemen caused by a USA-made bomb isn't why the ICJ is deciding whether to investigate the USA for war crimes. It's alleged war crimes committed in Afghanistan that they wish to investigate. There's thousands of complaints filed and presented to the ICJ by villages and individuals in Afghanistan and the question as to whether or not they're valid will never be answered if the U.S. simply denies the ICJ the rights to do what they've been appointed to do by the United Nations. I will always maintain that truth always comes out but apparently the Trump administration would rather block and deny the ICJ to get to the truth, what does that say for our credibility on the world stage?
 
HumblePi said:
Trump's administration through national security advisor John Bolton, is threatening International Criminal Crimes judges for daring to investigate possible war crimes committed by the U.S.

The United States is pledging to use "any means necessary" to protect American citizens and allies from International Criminal Court prosecution. John Bolton, said Monday the court is "illegitimate" and "for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."

This is exactly what Trump has done to fight the FBI investigation. Republicans have claimed the investigation is 'illegitimate'. They feel that if they can get enough people to believe that it's all fake and made up by disgruntled Democrats that they can get enough people to demand that it be ended.

The International Criminal Crimes Court is located in the Hague. For anyone who doesn't know, the Hague is a city in the Netherlands. This video explains exactly what the ICJ does. An abbreviated definition of the Hague would be that it's an international tribunal or a court of the highest order representing every nation that is member of the United Nations. The Hague is a permanent court accessible at all times for the resolution of international differences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DME-wfbt08c


The ICC has a mandate to prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. Well OMG! Did the U.S.A. commit some type of war crime that we're being accused of? Could we, would we? I don’t remember voting for the U.S. bombs to murder little kids in Yemen, do you? That's exactly what happened just last month when a U.S. Lockheed Martin made bomb was dropped by the Saudis on Yemen (a USA ally) killing a bus filled with school children returning from a summer camp picnic. A spokesman for the Saudi coalition called it "a legitimate military operation" in its campaign against Houthi rebels that operate in northern Yemen — a claim that was scoffed at by most of the rest of the world, alarmed at the growing humanitarian crisis in the region.

But the murder of innocent kids in Yemen caused by a USA-made bomb isn't why the ICJ is deciding whether to investigate the USA for war crimes. It's alleged war crimes committed in Afghanistan that they wish to investigate. There's thousands of complaints filed and presented to the ICJ by villages and individuals in Afghanistan and the question as to whether or not they're valid will never be answered if the U.S. simply denies the ICJ the rights to do what they've been appointed to do by the United Nations. I will always maintain that truth always comes out but apparently the Trump administration would rather block and deny the ICJ to get to the truth, what does that say for our credibility on the world stage?
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Yes, likely we did...see above
 
HumblePi said:
Trump's administration through national security advisor John Bolton, is threatening International Criminal Crimes judges for daring to investigate possible war crimes committed by the U.S.

The United States is pledging to use "any means necessary" to protect American citizens and allies from International Criminal Court prosecution. John Bolton, said Monday the court is "illegitimate" and "for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."

This is exactly what Trump has done to fight the FBI investigation. Republicans have claimed the investigation is 'illegitimate'. They feel that if they can get enough people to believe that it's all fake and made up by disgruntled Democrats that they can get enough people to demand that it be ended.

The International Criminal Crimes Court is located in the Hague. For anyone who doesn't know, the Hague is a city in the Netherlands. This video explains exactly what the ICJ does. An abbreviated definition of the Hague would be that it's an international tribunal or a court of the highest order representing every nation that is member of the United Nations. The Hague is a permanent court accessible at all times for the resolution of international differences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DME-wfbt08c


The ICC has a mandate to prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. Well OMG! Did the U.S.A. commit some type of war crime that we're being accused of? Could we, would we? I don’t remember voting for the U.S. bombs to murder little kids in Yemen, do you? That's exactly what happened just last month when a U.S. Lockheed Martin made bomb was dropped by the Saudis on Yemen (a USA ally) killing a bus filled with school children returning from a summer camp picnic. A spokesman for the Saudi coalition called it "a legitimate military operation" in its campaign against Houthi rebels that operate in northern Yemen — a claim that was scoffed at by most of the rest of the world, alarmed at the growing humanitarian crisis in the region.

But the murder of innocent kids in Yemen caused by a USA-made bomb isn't why the ICJ is deciding whether to investigate the USA for war crimes. It's alleged war crimes committed in Afghanistan that they wish to investigate. There's thousands of complaints filed and presented to the ICJ by villages and individuals in Afghanistan and the question as to whether or not they're valid will never be answered if the U.S. simply denies the ICJ the rights to do what they've been appointed to do by the United Nations. I will always maintain that truth always comes out but apparently the Trump administration would rather block and deny the ICJ to get to the truth, what does that say for our credibility on the world stage?
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I mean, when's the last time we had a President that wasn't bombing some place? Bush has his war, Obama continued it, Trump sure as heck ain't doing anything to get us out of it. Infinity War is good for the Republocrats investors.

Have we committed war crimes? Possibly. But we aren't part of the ICC, so they have no jurisdiction over us. They can investigate away, but there's nothing they can really do about it.
 
Ikari said:
Have we committed war crimes? Possibly. But we aren't part of the ICC, so they have no jurisdiction over us. They can investigate away, but there's nothing they can really do about it.
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Exactly, which is why this threat by the US administration is so dangerous. Basically it means that if any America is arrested and charged for whatever crime the US will rain down fire and brimstone... and that is a problem. The administration is going after Turkey for that idiot priest and who is next?



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Ikari said:
I mean, when's the last time we had a President that wasn't bombing some place? Bush has his war, Obama continued it, Trump sure as heck ain't doing anything to get us out of it. Infinity War is good for the Republocrats investors.

Have we committed war crimes? Possibly. But we aren't part of the ICC, so they have no jurisdiction over us. They can investigate away, but there's nothing they can really do about it.
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The ICC represents 120 countries that have agreed to allow an 18 judge member international court to investigate charges of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes referred to them by the United Nations. Countries that didn't ratify the treaty are Iraq, Israel, Libya, China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States. But the U.S. has helped the court in a limited manner, often by referring international human rights matters that come before the Security Council of the United Nations to the ICC. The US will refer human rights violations to the ICJ - but don't want to be referred to the ICJ. There has been a concern from some American lawmakers that if we as a country join the court, individuals from the global community will punish America for its aggressive foreign policy.
 
HumblePi said:
The ICC represents 120 countries that have agreed to allow an 18 judge member international court to investigate charges of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes referred to them by the United Nations. Countries that didn't ratify the treaty are Iraq, Israel, Libya, China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States. But the U.S. has helped the court in a limited manner, often by referring international human rights matters that come before the Security Council of the United Nations to the ICC. The US will refer human rights violations to the ICJ - but don't want to be referred to the ICJ. There has been a concern from some American lawmakers that if we as a country join the court, individuals from the global community will punish America for its aggressive foreign policy.
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They may wish to (though much of this we didn't go solo on), but unless we were to submit to the ICC, there's nothing they can do about it.

I don't know why Trump is threatening judges or what sort of sanctions he could impose on a court. But fundamentally, there's nothing the ICC can do about it.
 
ClaraD said:
So should Russia take action against us for a citizen of theirs we are trying at this very moment?
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You need to learn the difference between a politicized international criminal court and local jurisdiction. If a Russian citizen commits a crime on US soil or commits crimes against the US online of course they are subject to US courts. Not the same as a kangaroo court in Belgium trying a case against a US Citizen for trumped up war crimes.

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ClaraD said:
Um, perhaps you should rethink telling someone to go back to Honduras, if they arent from there. Ive been told by your kind to go back to Mexico more than once and its pathetic and racist quite frankly. Yes, I speak Spanish, English, Tsalagi and some Italian. Its no ones damn business what I say in a private conversation.....the right conveniently thinks only the 2nd ammendment exists and to hell with the rest...and better yet, they think the Constitution only applies to them.
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You keep ripping on this country...the greatest country on the face of the planet. Read your posts.
If you don't like it here, maybe you should go back to Honduras, where you chose to live before, and see if it's better than the United States.

Btw, playing the race card doesn't work with me, especially since what I wrote about has nothing to do with MX., what someone else said to you that was racist, or the languages you speak.
So put your race card back in your purse...
 
Manc Skipper said:
That is the ICC's role. The independent investigation and prosecution of war crimes. Trump/Bolton don't like that.
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That may have been the original intention, but it was never ratified. Not under Bush, Obama, or Trump. It's not a matter of 'don't like'.
 
ClaraD said:
The country the crimes were committed in is a signer...if a US citizen commits a crime in another country they should face justice in that country
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You do understand that the ICC is in Belgium, right? The cases that are being referred to them did not take place in Belgium.

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