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Trump administration to threaten ICC judges with sanctions, prosecution

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From the CBC

Trump administration to threaten ICC judges with sanctions, prosecution

The United States is set to adopt a more aggressive posture against the International Criminal Court, threatening sanctions against ICC judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

U.S. President Donald Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, will make the announcement in a speech at midday on Monday to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington. It will be his first major address since joining the Trump White House.

"The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court," Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech seen by Reuters.

COMMENT:-

I suspect that there is more than a tiny bit of "Not only is American law the law of the whole world, but no one but the United States of America allowed to investigate the conduct of Americans REGARDLESS of what that conduct was." behind this announcement (assuming that Mr. Boulton actually makes it).

Equally, should the announcement be made, there might be a bit of rumblings concerning "imposing sanctions of the members of governments who use their governmental power to obstruct justice in countries other than their own".

Fortunately the United States of America doesn't buy anything from any place else in the world that American organizations cannot obtain less expensively from sources inside the United States of America and the United States of America doesn't have to export anything to any other place in the world to keep its economy running well. Equally fortunately, the rest of the world has absolutely no place to sell its products except the United States of America and doesn't have anyone to buy anything it needs from except from American organizations.

Right?
 
From the CBC

Trump administration to threaten ICC judges with sanctions, prosecution

The United States is set to adopt a more aggressive posture against the International Criminal Court, threatening sanctions against ICC judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

U.S. President Donald Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, will make the announcement in a speech at midday on Monday to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington. It will be his first major address since joining the Trump White House.

"The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court," Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech seen by Reuters.

COMMENT:-

I suspect that there is more than a tiny bit of "Not only is American law the law of the whole world, but no one but the United States of America allowed to investigate the conduct of Americans REGARDLESS of what that conduct was." behind this announcement (assuming that Mr. Boulton actually makes it).

Equally, should the announcement be made, there might be a bit of rumblings concerning "imposing sanctions of the members of governments who use their governmental power to obstruct justice in countries other than their own".

Fortunately the United States of America doesn't buy anything from any place else in the world that American organizations cannot obtain less expensively from sources inside the United States of America and the United States of America doesn't have to export anything to any other place in the world to keep its economy running well. Equally fortunately, the rest of the world has absolutely no place to sell its products except the United States of America and doesn't have anyone to buy anything it needs from except from American organizations.

Right?

So he is threatening our judges? Clearly an impeachable offense
 
The United States is a sovereign nation and there are no laws superior to the US Constitution regarding the US or our actions.

The ICC has no authority over the US.
 
The United States is a sovereign nation and there are no laws superior to the US Constitution regarding the US or our actions.

The ICC has no authority over the US.

The ICC has jurisdiction over international crimes like genocide or in this case war crimes. Regardless of the fact the people being persecuted are American citizens or not. Whether you like it or not these people are wanted for war crimes in Afghanistan which the ICC has jurisdiction on.
 
Good.

Another slice removed from that One World Order BS.

Why should people just be bale to get away with crimes like genocide, war crimes, or crimes against humanity?
 
Do you like having judges from Nigeria, Botswana, Kenya etc. investigating US military members?!?

That is their job, and why in particular are you afraid of African judges? There are plenty of other continents represented.
 
The United States is a sovereign nation and there are no laws superior to the US Constitution regarding the US or our actions.

The ICC has no authority over the US.

And there it is in a nutshell.
T/Y!
 
From the CBC

Trump administration to threaten ICC judges with sanctions, prosecution

The United States is set to adopt a more aggressive posture against the International Criminal Court, threatening sanctions against ICC judges if they proceed with an investigation into alleged war crimes committed by Americans in Afghanistan.

U.S. President Donald Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, will make the announcement in a speech at midday on Monday to the Federalist Society, a conservative group, in Washington. It will be his first major address since joining the Trump White House.

"The United States will use any means necessary to protect our citizens and those of our allies from unjust prosecution by this illegitimate court," Bolton will say, according to a draft of his speech seen by Reuters.

COMMENT:-

I suspect that there is more than a tiny bit of "Not only is American law the law of the whole world, but no one but the United States of America allowed to investigate the conduct of Americans REGARDLESS of what that conduct was." behind this announcement (assuming that Mr. Boulton actually makes it).

Equally, should the announcement be made, there might be a bit of rumblings concerning "imposing sanctions of the members of governments who use their governmental power to obstruct justice in countries other than their own".

Fortunately the United States of America doesn't buy anything from any place else in the world that American organizations cannot obtain less expensively from sources inside the United States of America and the United States of America doesn't have to export anything to any other place in the world to keep its economy running well. Equally fortunately, the rest of the world has absolutely no place to sell its products except the United States of America and doesn't have anyone to buy anything it needs from except from American organizations.

Right?

So to clarify.... the ICC was created by a treaty in 2002. The US (with other countries) objected to the creation, and never ratified the treaty. Since we weren't a party to the treaty, we aren't subject to the court.

It sounds like this is really about Israel though -- as Palestinians are threatening to take Israel to the court.
 
The ICC has jurisdiction over international crimes like genocide or in this case war crimes. Regardless of the fact the people being persecuted are American citizens or not. Whether you like it or not these people are wanted for war crimes in Afghanistan which the ICC has jurisdiction on.


They don't ... and we are not even a member. But, as usual, the US of A has been funding that ****.

April 2017 - "... Meanwhile, nationalism and disdain for globalised organisations is rising in the west. President Donald Trump has made clear his intention to slash funding for international programmes. Although the US, as a non-member, does not support the ICC directly, it shares intelligence, supports logistics, funds a rewards programme, and is traditionally a major donor to international tribunals. ..."

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...r/05/international-criminal-court-fit-purpose
 
So to clarify.... the ICC was created by a treaty in 2002. The US (with other countries) objected to the creation, and never ratified the treaty. Since we weren't a party to the treaty, we aren't subject to the court.

It sounds like this is really about Israel though -- as Palestinians are threatening to take Israel to the court.


That's how I see it ...
 
So he is threatening our judges? Clearly an impeachable offense

The ICC isn't a part of The United States Government.

It's about time we have a president that will stand up for our troops.
 
The ICC has no jurisdiction over the United States or our citizens. It's not a matter of whether I like it or not, or whether you like it or not. It's a matter of enforceable jurisdiction, and the ICC has none over the US or our citizens.

Does not matter, it still has jurisdiction over international matters of genocide, war crimes, and crime against humanity. Just because you did not sign the treaty does not mean you cannot be held accountable. Also the crimes took place in a country that did.
 
The ICC isn't a part of The United States Government.

It's about time we have a president that will stand up for our troops.

Even if they commit heinous war crimes? apdst, supporter of war crimes.
 
That is their job, and why in particular are you afraid of African judges? There are plenty of other continents represented.

The president is upholding the civil rights of our troops.
 
Does not matter, it still has jurisdiction over international matters of genocide, war crimes, and crime against humanity. Just because you did not sign the treaty does not mean you cannot be held accountable. Also the crimes took place in a country that did.

How are they going to do thst? Kidnap United States citizens?
 
The president is upholding the civil rights of our troops.

To commit war crimes in a foreign country? So if an American commits a crime in another country they should never be persecuted?
 
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