Trump administration now says entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down

[MTAtech]

Thank you Lord. What a gift!

Yes indeed. In 2017, Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a plan that was worse -- more expensive with less coverage while knocking millions off insurance, made it clear to everyone that their party didn’t have any better ideas, and never did; everything they proposed would have drastically hurt millions of Americans. That paved the way to the Democrats retaking the House in 2018. Now, not learning from the shellacking they got in 2018, the GOP is doubling-down -- not even raising the fantasy of "replacing" the ACA with something they pretend would be better. They are merely going to try to rip out the plumbing of healthcare creating havoc.

The point is that it’s no longer possible to see any of this as part of a clever political strategy, even an evil cynical one. It has entered the realm of psychosis instead. Part of this may be Trump fixated on destroying anything Obama achieved but it's now clear that other Republicans just have a deep, unreasoning hatred of ordinary people getting affordable health care.

 

[danarhea]

 

[MTAtech]

There is a proposal to strengthen the ACA
House Bill Would Make Significant Progress on Health Care Affordability and Coverage | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Obscurity]

There is a proposal to strengthen the ACA
House Bill Would Make Significant Progress on Health Care Affordability and Coverage | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Vote no.

Without Single Payer it is a fraud, just like the entire republican noise machine about better coverage. They have no ideas, they have no answers, and they are now exposed as complete ****ing frauds for their idiot box ignorance with regard to health policy.

 

[MTAtech]

Vote no.

Without Single Payer it is a fraud, just like the entire republican noise machine about better coverage. They have no ideas, they have no answers, and they are now exposed as complete ****ing frauds for their idiot box ignorance with regard to health policy.

This bill does, in fact, address current deficiencies in the ACA. It will cost a few hundred billion over ten years but the GOP cut hundreds of billions from the ACA by dropping the cost of the mandate to zero.

 

[Obscurity]

This bill does, in fact, address current deficiencies in the ACA. It will cost a few hundred billion over ten years but the GOP cut hundreds of billions from the ACA by dropping the cost of the mandate to zero.

Get rid of the ACA and all "Insurance" and be done with this ****ing madness. It's absolutely unacceptable.

 

[MTAtech]

Get rid of the ACA and all "Insurance" and be done with this ****ing madness. It's absolutely unacceptable.

I don't get it. So, if I need a $100,000 cardiac bypass or years of cancer treatment, I just need to be rich and pay out-of-pocket? Simple.

 

[Obscurity]

I don't get it. So, if I need a $100,000 cardiac bypass or years of cancer treatment, I just need to be rich and pay out-of-pocket? Simple.

No, single payer, healthcare for all, is the only way this gets fixed. The republicans know this, hence why Trump dredging this up is causing a headache for them.

If the GOP wants to be the party of healthcare, they need to get in line and vote yes on MFA or Single Payer.

 

[MTAtech]

No, single payer, healthcare for all, is the only way this gets fixed. The republicans know this, hence why Trump dredging this up is causing a headache for them.

If the GOP wants to be the party of healthcare, they need to get in line and vote yes on MFA or Single Payer.

The problem with healthcare for all as a single payer is that 80% of Americans get health insurance from their employer and they are generally happy with it. This is the typical go for the full loaf and get none or settle for the half loaf, choice. I'd prefer to improve the ACA now.

A public option should be available, such as buying into Medicare. Perhaps some employers will pay for their employees to buy in. Moreover, there are geographical markets that have only one or two insurance providers where a Medicare buy-in will be helpful.

 

[Obscurity]

The problem with healthcare for all as a single payer is that 80% of Americans get health insurance from their employer and they are generally happy with it. This is the typical go for the full loaf and get none or settle for the half loaf, choice. I'd prefer to improve the ACA now.

Wrong. People don't care about their insurance coverage or which company has it. They care about seeing specific DOCTORS. No one gives one **** about insurance companies. They routinely have poor ratings, they find ways to deny coverage, etc. I literally know of exactly ZERO people that say they give a damn about the insurance company their employer offers.

Moreover, this sort of thing costs our employers BILLIONS per year. There would be an immediate effect of reducing cost to those employers if we implemented a single payer option.

Next time, think critically and try to be honest before you post a right wing talking point like this.

A public option should be available, such as buying into Medicare. Perhaps some employers will pay for their employees to buy in. Moreover, there are geographical markets that have only one or two insurance providers where a Medicare buy-in will be helpful.

Disagree. Public option would not reduce cost; it would be another ACA failure that would not stop the spiralling cost of insurance in this country. Geographical markets are again a useless thing to bring up. MFA would fix all of these issues, would cost less, and would simply remove the middle man, who is insisting on continuing the money grab so it can enrich executives and members of investment boards.

No more. Single payer or bust, and frankly, I don't care how many people in the medical insurance industry it puts out of work. Their industry is evil.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

The problem with healthcare for all as a single payer is that 80% of Americans get health insurance from their employer and they are generally happy with it.

What? Who's happy with the current insurance plans and system?

 

[MTAtech]

What? Who's happy with the current insurance plans and system?

Ask Gallup:

Americans are largely positive about the quality of the healthcare they receive: Three-quarters of employed Americans (75%) said the healthcare they received was "excellent" or "good" in Gallup's last survey on the issue, in November 2017. There is little difference between U.S. workers and the overall public, among whom 77% rate their personal healthcare as "excellent" or "good."

Poll on alternative insurance plans from Kaiser:

 

[Phys251]

No, single payer, healthcare for all, is the only way this gets fixed.

^ Purity test.

 

[Phys251]

Ask Gallup:


Poll on alternative insurance plans from Kaiser:

This is why some combination of the first three and NOT the fourth would be a winning ticket in 2020.

 

[American]

Trump administration now says entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down - CNNPolitics

The Trump administration on Monday said the entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down, in a dramatic reversal.

In a filing with a federal appeals court, the Justice Department said it agreed with the ruling of a federal judge in Texas that invalidated the Obama-era health care law.
In a letter Monday night, the administration said "it is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."

"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal," said Kerri Kupec, spokesperson for the Justice Department.
It's a major shift for the Justice Department from when Jeff Sessions was attorney general. At the time, the administration argued that the community rating rule and the guaranteed issue requirement -- protections for people with pre-existing conditions -- could not be defended but the rest of the law could stand.

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Trump’s Justice Department notified a federal appeals court in New Orleans late Monday it would asking judges to toss out the entire ACA which is going to put healthcare for millions of Americans in jeopardy. Previous Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare triggered a backlash that propelled Democrats back into the majority of the House in the last election. Months ago, when people were polled about what their main concerns are, health care was their number one concern. Undoing everything Barack Obama did was Trump's first objective. Now that the Mueller investigation is over, he can now focus on repealing Obamacare. What's next, rollbacks in Medicare?

Funny that an administration that has campaigned on and tried to eliminate/repeal Obamacare, and now try to invalid the same very law is considered a dramatic reversal.

 

[American]

No, single payer, healthcare for all, is the only way this gets fixed. The republicans know this, hence why Trump dredging this up is causing a headache for them.

If the GOP wants to be the party of healthcare, they need to get in line and vote yes on MFA or Single Payer.

Bull****.

 

[Obscurity]

This is why some combination of the first three and NOT the fourth would be a winning ticket in 2020.

Disagree. It's only because of right wing talking points that anyone would even fathom the centrist position could win.

For one, it ignores the reality of what I said. Americans at large do not differentiate insurance and healthcare. The two are separate issues. Americans like their HEALTHCARE, not their INSURANCE PROVIDERS. The media with their polling is skewing public perception with their faulty quesitoning and you already know that.

Moreover, purity test my ass.

Single payer or bust. It's too costly to do a public option. And, it's a disservice and would keep a major industry which has been culpable in far too much damage to our economy going.

 

[Obscurity]

Bull****.

The free market cannot do "health care" humanely. Doing it humanely, and in accordance with their own requirements to make money for shareholders are mutually exclusive.

The free market is not the correct route in this realm.

 

[joko104]

The sole constitutionality of the ACA was that being required to buy it or pay a penalty makes it a "tax" and therefore constitutional. However, with the mandate to pay eliminated the tax was eliminated - which erased the constitutionality.

This will be the first real test for Justice Kavanaugh as possibly his will be the deciding vote.

 

[Phys251]

Disagree. It's only because of right wing talking points that anyone would even fathom the centrist position could win.

For one, it ignores the reality of what I said. Americans at large do not differentiate insurance and healthcare. The two are separate issues. Americans like their HEALTHCARE, not their INSURANCE PROVIDERS.

Polls show that Americans' support for single-payer plummets when they realize they would lose their employer-based health insurance.

Poll: Just 13 percent want 'Medicare for all' if it means end of private insurance | TheHill

 

[Obscurity]

Polls show that Americans' support for single-payer plummets when they realize they would lose their employer-based health insurance.

Poll: Just 13 percent want 'Medicare for all' if it means end of private insurance | TheHill

Which is dishonest questioning. Look at the framing:

"Medicare/Medicaid should be expanded to cover all citizens regardless of age or income and private health plans should be abolished."

Emphasis mine. This is a completely dishonest skew, and you know it.

If they were honest they would clearly state the truth, which is that private health INSURERS should be abolished. And they should.

Healthcare=/=Health Insurance

 

[Phys251]

Which is dishonest questioning. Look at the framing:

"Medicare/Medicaid should be expanded to cover all citizens regardless of age or income and private health plans should be abolished."

Emphasis mine. This is a completely dishonest skew, and you know it.

If they were honest they would clearly state the truth, which is that private health INSURERS should be abolished. And they should.

Healthcare=/=Health Insurance

You're simply unwilling to address the hard truth: The transition to single-payer is not popular in America. Look at what happened to ColoradoCare as an example.

 

[LouC]

Trump administration now says entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down - CNNPolitics

The Trump administration on Monday said the entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down, in a dramatic reversal.

In a filing with a federal appeals court, the Justice Department said it agreed with the ruling of a federal judge in Texas that invalidated the Obama-era health care law.
In a letter Monday night, the administration said "it is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgment be reversed."

"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court's comprehensive opinion came to the correct conclusion and will support it on appeal," said Kerri Kupec, spokesperson for the Justice Department.
It's a major shift for the Justice Department from when Jeff Sessions was attorney general. At the time, the administration argued that the community rating rule and the guaranteed issue requirement -- protections for people with pre-existing conditions -- could not be defended but the rest of the law could stand.

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Trump’s Justice Department notified a federal appeals court in New Orleans late Monday it would asking judges to toss out the entire ACA which is going to put healthcare for millions of Americans in jeopardy. Previous Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare triggered a backlash that propelled Democrats back into the majority of the House in the last election. Months ago, when people were polled about what their main concerns are, health care was their number one concern. Undoing everything Barack Obama did was Trump's first objective. Now that the Mueller investigation is over, he can now focus on repealing Obamacare. What's next, rollbacks in Medicare?

What reversal?

Obese Donald Trump said he would immediately repeal and totally replace the PPACA "on day one".

He is finally getting around to doing that?

What brought this on?

 

[MTAtech]

Funny that an administration that has campaigned on and tried to eliminate/repeal Obamacare, and now try to invalid the same very law is considered a dramatic reversal.

Well, what are they replacing it with? The first attempt at replace in 2017, relied on the fiction that the new plan was better, cheaper, covered more, etc., etc. Independent analysis of the plan showed it was worse in every respect -- except if you were rich. For the rich, the dedicated ACA tax was eliminated.

Now, the GOP doesn't even hide behind fiction -- they outright want to take away a better program for no particular good reason.

 

[Obscurity]

You're simply unwilling to address the hard truth: The transition to single-payer is not popular in America. Look at what happened to ColoradoCare as an example.

No, you're not addressing the dishonest way the question is being asked. Single Payer is the only way to solve the spiralling cost issue. Moreover, a public option does not address the spiralling cost, doesn't remove the middle man, and keeps the entrenched privilege protection program in place.