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Too Many Guns, Another Example

Rich2018 said:
Why would I want to be argumentative about a "slip of the tongue" over which round was used in which gun?

Only posters like Fledermaus love to be pedants and seize on typing errors.

But again, to a new gun owners, logically a .38 shell shouldn't fit a .357 weapon. I admit I was surprised.
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Not "logically" at all.

Most .38 rounds are .357 diameter.
 
Fledermaus said:
Then came the L frame of which I am a proud owner of a S&W 586. Later I picked up a K from Model 66 snub in 357.
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And you should be proud. I never owned an L frame but I remember when they came out. Frame not as bulky as an N but able to eat Magnums all day everyday. I loved the full length ejector shroud. Made it resemble a Colt Python to my eyes. I've always been a S&W fan, but those Pythons were just an esthetically bad ass gun.
 
I use to be for gun control, but now
I am against it. My conservative friends made good arguments that I agree with.

Many crimes are committed with guns that were obtained illegally.

Many gun nuts I know are actually law abiding white citizens with no criminal record.

More guns would actually mean more people would have a gun to prevent a criminal from getting away with a crime.

Blue states like New York and California that have make it harder to buy a gun actually have more gun violence than red states.
 
Mortician said:
...many crimes are committed with guns that were obtained illegally.
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So if you ban guns, they can't be obtained
All guns were legally owned at one time

Many gun nuts I know are actually law abiding white citizens with no criminal record.
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Correct, but it's not about them, it's about their guns
We can't ban guns from criminals or prospective criminals, without disarming the "honest" citizen, and yes it sucks for them.


More guns would actually mean more people would have a gun to prevent a criminal from getting away with a crime.
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And more people have guns to commit a crime with

The LAST thing we need are yet more guns

Blue states like New York and California that have make it harder to buy a gun actually have more gun violence than red states.
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"Red" states tend to be lower crime rural communities whereas "blue" states tend to be urban environments with higher crime.
 
Rich2018 said:
So you should specify the caliber and the length when purchasing ammunition ?
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ammo you usually request

caliber
bullet weight
bullet type

example

9mm , 115 grain hollow point bullet

or .223 68 grain sierra match king bullet

shot gun shells

12 Gauge, 2 and 3/4 dram equivalent powder weight, 1 ounce size 7.5 shot
 
RF667799 said:
And you should be proud. I never owned an L frame but I remember when they came out. Frame not as bulky as an N but able to eat Magnums all day everyday. I loved the full length ejector shroud. Made it resemble a Colt Python to my eyes. I've always been a S&W fan, but those Pythons were just an esthetically bad ass gun.
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many years ago, when PPC was the big action handgun game (Police Pistol Combat), Smith and wessons ruled the roost, but the colt Python barrel was Top drawer. Some smiths created "SMOLTS" or SMYTHONS which involved fitting the Python barrel and rib to a Smith and Wesson K frame because Smiths had better actions. the L frame sort of was the final nail in the coffin of those hybrids-by the time the L frame came out, the PPC shooters were using Powers or Monarch barrels and Ribs that had quick adjustable front sights for the different distances.
 
Fledermaus said:
9mm 90gr loaded into 357 cases, powered by Unique and fired out of a Winchester 92 replica were pretty awesome.
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Before he got a Miculeck PC 8 shot 9mm revolver, my son used to shoot one of the 327 8 shot 357 "rail guns) by Smith. we loaded 38 short colt shells with 90 grain 356 (380) bullets. Not super accurate but for steel, they worked fine. The shorter cases with the slightly smaller bullets meant speed loads (Full moon clips)were a bit faster than using a 38Sp shell with .357 bullets
 
TurtleDude said:
ammo you usually request

caliber
bullet weight
bullet type

example

9mm , 115 grain hollow point bullet

or .223 68 grain sierra match king bullet

shot gun shells

12 Gauge, 2 and 3/4 dram equivalent powder weight, 1 ounce size 7.5 shot
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What about length ?

Caliber doesn't determine the width of the cartridge though does it ?

So if you have a Browning 9mm Hi Power, you don't just accept any 9mm ammunition regardless of bullet weight.
 
TurtleDude said:
that sort of discharging of weapons is illegal just about everywhere. Of course you want to pass MORE laws to harass gun owners, rather than actually enforcing laws on the books.
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If I remember correctly, it was Biden who said that was the way you were supposed to do it.
 
jimbo said:
If I remember correctly, it was Biden who said that was the way you were supposed to do it.
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I'm not sure discharging your firearm in the air is illegal, you are however responsible for what the bullets/pellets hit.
 
Rich2018 said:
What about length ?

Caliber doesn't determine the width of the cartridge though does it ?

So if you have a Browning 9mm Hi Power, you don't just accept any 9mm ammunition regardless of bullet weight.
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Explaining things to Rich is interesting because of his ability to ignore everything you say
 
joko104 said:
Any ordinary sized bullet shot straight up will not fall with enough velocity to cause any real injury unless a person is looking up and maybe it lands in the person's eye - for which the person could lose an eye. Otherwise, no.
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Why would a bullet fired at an angle of say 5 degrees or degrees behave any differently ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Why would a bullet fired at an angle of say 5 degrees or degrees behave any differently ?
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Forward momentum at a 5 degree would not be overcome by gravity. A bullet fired straight up would at some point have zero momentum and then fall only as fast as the gravity could pull it down before reaching it maximum velocity. Think of throwing a baseball straight up then catching it verse throwing it in an arch. The straight up and down ball can be caught bare handed without much pain while the other would hurt being caught without a glove.
 
Chillfolks said:
Forward momentum at a 5 degree would not be overcome by gravity. A bullet fired straight up would at some point have zero momentum and then fall only as fast as the gravity could pull it down before reaching it maximum velocity. Think of throwing a baseball straight up then catching it verse throwing it in an arch. The straight up and down ball can be caught bare handed without much pain while the other would hurt being caught without a glove.
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So a bullet fired at 5 degrees, falls to the Earth at more than terminal velocity ?

I just checked and I saw a claim that a bullet travelling at 200 fps is enough to pierce the human skull and terminal velocity exceeds this.

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"Firearms expert Julian Hatcher studied falling bullets in the 1920s and calculated that . 30 caliber rounds reach terminal velocities of 90 m/s (300 feet per second or 186 miles per hour). A bullet traveling at only 61 m/s (200 feet per second) to 100 m/s (330 feet per second) can penetrate human skin."
 
Rich2018 said:
So a bullet fired at 5 degrees, falls to the Earth at more than terminal velocity ?

I just checked and I saw a claim that a bullet travelling at 200 fps is enough to pierce the human skull and terminal velocity exceeds this.

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"Firearms expert Julian Hatcher studied falling bullets in the 1920s and calculated that . 30 caliber rounds reach terminal velocities of 90 m/s (300 feet per second or 186 miles per hour). A bullet traveling at only 61 m/s (200 feet per second) to 100 m/s (330 feet per second) can penetrate human skin."
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A 5 degree bullet would also have forward momentum verse the straight up and down and a fast FPS speed. Also a 30 caliber would weigh almost twice that of say a 9mm. There is no one size fits all explanation.

With all that said fireing a bullet into the air is not a good idea, many factors would go into how lethal the falling projectile would be. The best idea is not to do it.
 
Chillfolks said:
A 5 degree bullet would also have forward momentum verse the straight up and down and a fast FPS speed. Also a 30 caliber would weigh almost twice that of say a 9mm. There is no one size fits all explanation.

With all that said fireing a bullet into the air is not a good idea, many factors would go into how lethal the falling projectile would be. The best idea is not to do it.
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Agreed it's a dangerous idea, also firing straight up would be virtually impossible as the wind would significantly alter the bullet's path.
 
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