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Too Many Guns, Another Example

Rich2018 said:
Is the past tense of that behoofed ?


Guns being a necessity is the half baked if not downward dishonest argument.
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Deflection is downward?
 
Rich2018 said:
Sorry I took a course, run by a former policeman, here in Georgia and fired a .38 Special cartridge from a .357 Magnum pistol.

They do fit.
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You can use .38 in a .357 firearm, but it should be impossible (and would be very dangerous in any case) to fire a .357 Magnum round from a .38 Special firearm.

It's fairly common practice to buy a .357 revolver, and use .38 for practice, as the ammo is cheaper and it's easier on the shooter, so you get more and better practice.

Then you carry the more powerful .357 rounds when you're carrying for defense, and the theory goes you won't notice the extra recoil in an emergency.
 
Rich2018 said:
I ignore his posts, he doesn't seem to have cottoned on to that yet.
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Too bad, because maybe you could have avoided this bit of double fail:

Until recently I didn't know a .357 Magnum round fitted a .38 Special revolver pistol.

Followed by:

Sorry I took a course, run by a former policeman, here in Georgia and fired a .38 Special cartridge from a .357 Magnum pistol.
They do fit.

And to make it even better, you appear to think you're contradicting my post where I said: .357 Magnum has a longer case length to prevent it being loaded in most .38 Special revolvers.
 
WillyPete said:
You can use .38 in a .357 firearm, but it should be impossible (and would be very dangerous in any case) to fire a .357 Magnum round from a .38 Special firearm....
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We definitely did the former

We also fired a .357 round to feel the difference


It wasn't something I was aware of until I did the course.

I liked the .357 revolver but wasn't thrilled by the Glock which I had a hard time pulling the slide back.
 
RF667799 said:
Too bad, because maybe you could have avoided this bit of double fail:

Until recently I didn't know a .357 Magnum round fitted a .38 Special revolver pistol.

Followed by:

Sorry I took a course, run by a former policeman, here in Georgia and fired a .38 Special cartridge from a .357 Magnum pistol.
They do fit.

And to make it even better, you appear to think you're contradicting my post where I said: .357 Magnum has a longer case length to prevent it being loaded in most .38 Special revolvers.
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Yeah, it was definitely a .38 round in a .357 weapon.

Sorry if I got them mixed up, it was a while ago.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yeah, it was definitely a .38 round in a .357 weapon.

Sorry if I got them mixed up, it was a while ago.
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Not a problem Rich. The problem comes when you want to be argumentative about it.

.357 Magnum was developed as a "hot" .38 Special load and the case was intentionally lengthened to avoid it being loaded in a .38 Special revolver. The hazard was that some older or smaller frame .38 revolvers wouldn't be strong enough to withstand the higher pressures developed by the Magnum.
 
RF667799 said:
Not a problem Rich. The problem comes when you want to be argumentative about it.
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Why would I want to be argumentative about a "slip of the tongue" over which round was used in which gun?

Only posters like Fledermaus love to be pedants and seize on typing errors.


357 Magnum was developed as a "hot" .38 Special load and the case was intentionally lengthened to avoid it being loaded in a .38 Special revolver. The hazard was that some older or smaller frame .38 revolvers wouldn't be strong enough to withstand the higher pressures developed by the Magnum.
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But again, to a new gun owners, logically a .38 shell shouldn't fit a .357 weapon. I admit I was surprised.
 
Rich2018 said:
Why would I want to be argumentative about a "slip of the tongue" over which round was used in which gun?

Only posters like Fledermaus love to be pedants and seize on typing errors.





But again, to a new gun owners, logically a .38 shell shouldn't fit a .357 weapon. I admit I was surprised.
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They both use the same diameter projectile.
 
RF667799 said:
Not a problem Rich. The problem comes when you want to be argumentative about it.

.357 Magnum was developed as a "hot" .38 Special load and the case was intentionally lengthened to avoid it being loaded in a .38 Special revolver. The hazard was that some older or smaller frame .38 revolvers wouldn't be strong enough to withstand the higher pressures developed by the Magnum.
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Many original revolvers were called 38/44 as they were build on 44 frames.
 
Fledermaus said:
Many original revolvers were called 38/44 as they were build on 44 frames.
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The original S&W chambered for .357 was indeed built on their large N frame. Later chambered on some of their K frames. I had a Mod19 which was a K frame in .357. It was often cautioned that it was better if the K frames weren't fed a regular diet of Magnum loads.
 
RF667799 said:
The original S&W chambered for .357 was indeed built on their large N frame. Later chambered on some of their K frames. I had a Mod19 which was a K frame in .357. It was often cautioned that it was better if the K frames weren't fed a regular diet of Magnum loads.
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How did the .44 come about since the standard US Army caliber at the time was .45 ?
 
Rich2018 said:
How did the .44 come about since the standard US Army caliber at the time was .45 ?
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I don't think the two relate and you would have to be more specific about just which .44 and .45 you are talking about. And keep in mind I'm not a weapon historian.
 
RF667799 said:
I don't think the two relate and you would have to be more specific about just which .44 and .45 you are talking about. And keep in mind I'm not a weapon historian.
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I wondered how some manufacturers, in this case S&W, choose their calibers.


You'd think a gun owners would like as much commonality as possible so he doesn't have to buy a separate ammunition supply for each gun.
 
Any ordinary sized bullet shot straight up will not fall with enough velocity to cause any real injury unless a person is looking up and maybe it lands in the person's eye - for which the person could lose an eye. Otherwise, no.
 
Rich2018 said:
How did the .44 come about since the standard US Army caliber at the time was .45 ?
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There are LOTS of different .44 and .45 caliber cartridges and bullets.
 
joko104 said:
Any ordinary sized bullet shot straight up will not fall with enough velocity to cause any real injury unless a person is looking up and maybe it lands in the person's eye - for which the person could lose an eye. Otherwise, no.
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Why would a bullet fired straight up be less lethal than one fired at an angle ?

Wouldn't both return to Earth with terminal velocity ?
 
RF667799 said:
The original S&W chambered for .357 was indeed built on their large N frame. Later chambered on some of their K frames. I had a Mod19 which was a K frame in .357. It was often cautioned that it was better if the K frames weren't fed a regular diet of Magnum loads.
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Then came the L frame of which I am a proud owner of a S&W 586. Later I picked up a K from Model 66 snub in 357.
 
Fledermaus said:
Then came the L frame of which I am a proud owner of a S&W 586. Later I picked up a K from Model 66 snub in 357.
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the L frame might have been the best all-around revolver SW made. Have both a 586 and several 686s. The top smiths could put the same butter smooth DA trigger pull in a L frame as they did the K frame (when I shot PPC, where the 38 WC (loaded with about 2.8 grains of bullseye-a really light load), the K frame model 10 dominated this event). The N Frame 357s such as the models 27 and 28 (same gun with different finishes essentially) just never seemed to be able to get the great trigger pull.

the 19 is a great handgun for most purposes, but its not designed for a constant diet of 357 or even 38+p loads. The 686 and 586 (6 is stainless, 5 is blued) is designed for such abuse and has a better action than the N frames.
 
Rich2018 said:
I wondered how some manufacturers, in this case S&W, choose their calibers.

You'd think a gun owners would like as much commonality as possible so he doesn't have to buy a separate ammunition supply for each gun.
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Gun makers were also ammo makers.

Winchester chambered their rifles for Winchester rounds.

Remington for Remington rounds.

Smith and Wesson for Smith and Wesson rounds.

The marketplace decided which rounds stayed and which one retired.
 
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