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Thoughts on God and Gays! [W: 472]

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I don't understand your reasoning...you say God hates those who are gay. I am telling you God loves everyone who is gay. He also will allow gays into heaven. So what is your disatisfaction with God then?

God is not a respecter of persons. it is his will that all come to know him through Christ. There is one Central Truth for everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, it's the same for everyone.

You me anyone who seeks God needs to acknowledge that they are a sinner, in need of a savior. We need to acknowledge that Jesus Christ is that savior, that Jesus is the son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, and if we asked Jesus into our lives into our hearts and for him to be our Lord and savior from this day forward, we shall be safe and Libby Turner eternally with him in heaven as long as this was a sincere prayer, and we continue to seek him in our daily lives.

conversely, now that you have heard that Jesus is the son of God and now that the Plan of Salvation has been presented to you, if you refuse it and reject it that Jesus isn't fact Lord and that you need to receive him as your lord and savior in order to be saved so, then according to the Bible, you me anyone regardless of race gender or sexual orientation, social reject Christ as Lord and savior is going to hell.

It has nothing to do with being gay. It has everything to do with an individual talking to God on a one-on-one basis and telling him that you or me whoever is talking to God isn't that they sent her and they need Jesus to save them. Nothing more nothing less will get you into heaven. If you are gay that is a sin yes but we are all sinners

The Lord wants your heart not a bunch of empty words. The one on one with you and him or me and him whoever...

or my words but im not good with them never said god hates people i went with your notion that god hates sin because sin is defined as what god hates

but that means sin is nether good nor evil necessarily and im wondering what reasons there is supposed to be for god or anyone else to hate homosexuality seems there something wrong with a god who is bothered by such a thing as it is disturbed over something that cant harm it and its letting it get between it and those it loves

which dosent seem sane or intelligent
 
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In God's eyes, all sin is evil...imperfect man tends to think he has no sin...
 
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In God's eyes, all sin is evil...imperfect man tends to think he has no sin...

that may work out for him but why should anyone else consider it evil because a god dosent like something?
 
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that may work out for him but why should anyone else consider it evil because a god dosent like something?

You shouldn't if you don't love life...otherwise...
 
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You shouldn't if you don't love life...otherwise...

why should i if i love lief this going back to how your god will kill people if they dont believe its god and or good

id like to live indefinitely but your god is a monster

the one that tortures people forever is even worse

do you have reaosns that are not based on threats?
 
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or my words but im not good with them never said god hates people i went with your notion that god hates sin because sin is defined as what god hates

but that means sin is nether good nor evil necessarily and im wondering what reasons there is supposed to be for god or anyone else to hate homosexuality seems there something wrong with a god who is bothered by such a thing as it is disturbed over something that cant harm it and its letting it get between it and those it loves

which dosent seem sane or intelligent

What is sin? Sin is any type of action or behavior that separates us from God. That's why God hates it because He does not want to be separated from us, from you, from me from anyone. It is our choice by sinning that we are separated from God not His choice.

If we did not need Jesus in order to be saved then God sent Jesus for nothing. IOW’s sending Jesus was a waste of time and of a man's life because...if there are other ways to heaven then the Bible even ask the question...why in the hell did Jesus have to die then?

The answer is obvious, there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

Now one of the biggest lies ever told to Mankind in my opinion is that homosexuals are born gay. The reason that is harmful in a person's relationship to God is this... remember how I keep saying if you're going to turn your life to God the first thing you have to do is acknowledge that you are a sinner?

If you are told or taught to believe that you were born gay, then when you come to the Lord you think you don't have to admit that you are a sinner in that regard. Or they are confused asking themselves…”why do I have to admit homosexual activity is a sin if God made us this way?” That keeps millions of people away from God because they don't understand why what seems to be a contradiction, when in fact it is a terrible lie Keeping gays from coming to Christ.

Gays always ask...Why would I Want to put myself through all the misery of being gay when if given the choice I wouldn't want all this misery.

My rebuttal to that would be... just get in line brother, because I'm just as miserable fantasizing and thinking about and wanting to have sex with women as you are with a man having sex with another man. That's nothing special, that's nothing new. Just because a person is gay doesn't mean they're the only ones that struggle with being horny.

That's a natural instinct regardless of gender. So in order for one to get to heaven they need to acknowledge that they are a sinner, and in a case of a gay person, they would want to admit to God that they have been committing the sin of homosexuality and they would want to ask God for forgiveness of that sin.

Until the gay community understands that they were not born gay, they can never get turned correctly at this Crossroad.

Hope this helps, I pray it does.
 
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why should i if i love lief this going back to how your god will kill people if they dont believe its god and or good

id like to live indefinitely but your god is a monster

the one that tortures people forever is even worse

do you have reaosns that are not based on threats?

God does not torture anyone...those who do not love righteousness will merely be out of existence because they're like a fly in the ointment...there can be no righteousness with them...

"Jehovah is opening the eyes of the blind;
Jehovah is raising up those bowed down;
Jehovah loves the righteous." Psalm 146:8

right·eous
ˈrīCHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
"he is a good, righteous man, I am sure"
synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent; More

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What is sin? Sin is any type of action or behavior that separates us from God. That's why God hates it because He does not want to be separated from us, from you, from me from anyone. It is our choice by sinning that we are separated from God not His choise.

If we did not need Jesus in order to be saved then God sent Jesus for nothing. IOW’s sending Jesus was a waste of time and a man's life because if there are other ways to heaven then the Bible even ask the question...why in the hell did Jesus have to die then?

The answer is obvious, there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

Now one of the biggest lies ever told to Mankind in my opinion is that homosexuals are born gay. The reason that is harmful in a person's relationship to God is this... remember how I keep saying if you're going to turn your life to God the first thing you have to do is acknowledge that you are a sinner?

if you are told or taught to believe that you were born gay, then when you come to the Lord you think you don't have to admit that you are a sinner in that regard. Or they are confused asking themselves…”why do I have to admit homosexual activity is a sin if Gid made us this way?” That keeps millions of people away from God because they don't understand why what seems to be a contradiction, .when in fact it is a terrible lie gaying gays from coming to Christ.

Gays will ask...Why would I Want to put myself through all the misery of being gay when if given the choice I wouldn't want all this misery.

My retort to that would be... just get in line brother, because I'm just as miserable fantasizing and thinking about and wanting to have sex with women asyou arewith a man with another man. That's nothing special, that's nothing new. Just because a person is gay doesn't mean they're the only ones that struggle with being horny.

That's a natural instinct regardless of gender. So in order for one to get to heaven they need to acknowledge that they are a sinner, and in a case of a gay person, they would want to admit to God that they have been committing the sin of homosexuality and they would want to ask God for forgiveness of that sin.

Until the gay community understands that they were not born gay, they can never get turned correctly at this Crossroad.

Hope this helps, I pray it does.

I'll pass on your god and your heaven then (and I'm not even gay). I find that particular set of beliefs to be rather narrow-minded and archaic.
 
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I'll pass on your god and your heaven then (and I'm not even gay). I find that particular set of beliefs to be rather narrow-minded and archaic.

I say good for you. Thanks for listening though.
 
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What is sin? Sin is any type of action or behavior that separates us from God. That's why God hates it because He does not want to be separated from us, from you, from me from anyone. It is our choice by sinning that we are separated from God not His choice.

If we did not need Jesus in order to be saved then God sent Jesus for nothing. IOW’s sending Jesus was a waste of time and of a man's life because...if there are other ways to heaven then the Bible even ask the question...why in the hell did Jesus have to die then?

The answer is obvious, there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.

Now one of the biggest lies ever told to Mankind in my opinion is that homosexuals are born gay. The reason that is harmful in a person's relationship to God is this... remember how I keep saying if you're going to turn your life to God the first thing you have to do is acknowledge that you are a sinner?

If you are told or taught to believe that you were born gay, then when you come to the Lord you think you don't have to admit that you are a sinner in that regard. Or they are confused asking themselves…”why do I have to admit homosexual activity is a sin if God made us this way?” That keeps millions of people away from God because they don't understand why what seems to be a contradiction, when in fact it is a terrible lie Keeping gays from coming to Christ.

Gays always ask...Why would I Want to put myself through all the misery of being gay when if given the choice I wouldn't want all this misery.

My rebuttal to that would be... just get in line brother, because I'm just as miserable fantasizing and thinking about and wanting to have sex with women as you are with a man having sex with another man. That's nothing special, that's nothing new. Just because a person is gay doesn't mean they're the only ones that struggle with being horny.

That's a natural instinct regardless of gender. So in order for one to get to heaven they need to acknowledge that they are a sinner, and in a case of a gay person, they would want to admit to God that they have been committing the sin of homosexuality and they would want to ask God for forgiveness of that sin.

Until the gay community understands that they were not born gay, they can never get turned correctly at this Crossroad.

Hope this helps, I pray it does.

so god has limitations on its powers and is the victim of some strange law of physics? and its not omnipresent? iv never seen any action other then moving away from some one serpente people what sex you have sex with dosent seem to move your further away or closer to most people

even things i see as bad often don't do that

not sure how jesus changed anything other then how any person can persuade others to change their actions its obvious the bits about needing a savior are made up to prop up religion rather than anything a god needs

im pretty sure people are not generally born wanting to **** but again that's the same with me being hetero sexul both seme to devolp naturaly not sure why me choosing to go have sex with another man now would be bad either though

i already know i do things your god does not like ( if its real ) it sound like some one i would not like either because of it cruelty or at the least its strange afflictions that require it to mess with others

seems rather messed up for your god to give you a strong sex drive if you cant satisfy it or of doing that makes it upset not sure why the god would be upset though there's it's strange affliction again

your god sounds as tormented as any one else which is odd

you haven't shown me that homselty is not natural or that is bad or explain why it bothers your god or how that would keep you apart so no not much help
 
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God does not torture anyone...those who do not love righteousness will merely be out of existence because they're like a fly in the ointment...there can be no righteousness with them...

"Jehovah is opening the eyes of the blind;
Jehovah is raising up those bowed down;
Jehovah loves the righteous." Psalm 146:8

right·eous
ˈrīCHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
"he is a good, righteous man, I am sure"
synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent; More

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...sy-ab..0.4.620...35i39k1j0i13k1.0.UrUsrhyZmwo

god doesn't exist as far as i know but some versions are very pro torture and you know that and i acknowledged your version just kills

why would me being alive bother you so much that you want me dead you seem rather evil and cruel

and you your and your religion and its god often seems to have nothing to do with whats morally right or justifiable; virtuous
 
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In God's eyes, all sin is evil...imperfect man tends to think he has no sin...

So, God couldn't have made man to be perfect? That's putting limitations on him. Ot, makes him cruel.
 
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So, God couldn't have made man to be perfect? That's putting limitations on him. Ot, makes him cruel.

What God created was perfect...:roll:
 
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What God created was perfect...:roll:

If man was perfect, he woulnd't be a sinner. CHristians claim all men are sinners.
 
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If man was perfect, he woulnd't be a sinner. CHristians claim all men are sinners.

See Adam and Eve and the Fall. :roll:
 
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See Adam and Eve and the Fall. :roll:

Yes, that's how CHristians view it. You do know that Judaism has an entirely different view, and mankind is not born in sin.
 
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Oh my God. You really wanna do this again? :roll:

Trying to equate homosexuality with pedophilia and serial killers, is gross and stupid.

Homosexuality is sometimes defended because its practitioners don't have a choice. I can not 'choose' to be turned on by another 46 year old male.

Likewise, I can not 'choose' to be turned on sexually by a 3 year old boy. Lack of choice can't be used to defend one and not the other.

Therefore, homosexuality needs to be defended on the merits (consent / freedom of sexuality), which puts it in the same logical field as adult incest.
 
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God does not torture anyone...those who do not love righteousness will merely be out of existence because they're like a fly in the ointment...there can be no righteousness with them...

"Jehovah is opening the eyes of the blind;
Jehovah is raising up those bowed down;
Jehovah loves the righteous." Psalm 146:8

right·eous
ˈrīCHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
"he is a good, righteous man, I am sure"
synonyms: good, virtuous, upright, upstanding, decent; More

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...sy-ab..0.4.620...35i39k1j0i13k1.0.UrUsrhyZmwo

So just to make sure I understand, the wages of sin is, in fact, death. As in you cease to exist. No eternal life. No union with God, but no eternal torture either. I think this is how the earliest Christians saw it.
 
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So just to make sure I understand, the wages of sin is, in fact, death. As in you cease to exist. No eternal life. No union with God, but no eternal torture either. I think this is how the earliest Christians saw it.

Correct...
 
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Correct...

Thank you. I think that among the various sects of Christianity this is a minority view. But it makes sense to me, as much as anything in Christianity does, Apparently, it made sense to the first Christians too.

I've always thought the whole eternal torture and damnation thing was cooked up to keep the plebes in line after Christianity became a political force more concerned with earthly power than salvation.
 
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Thank you. I think that among the various sects of Christianity this is a minority view. But it makes sense to me, as much as anything in Christianity does, Apparently, it made sense to the first Christians too.

I've always thought the whole eternal torture and damnation thing was cooked up to keep the plebes in line after Christianity became a political force more concerned with earthly power than salvation.

You are welcome...yes, it is a minority view but Jesus did say "narrow is the gate"...that is one truth that convinced me to become a Jehovah's Witness...it makes sense...the Bible makes sense if you study it in the correct way...
 
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...you haven't shown me that homselty is not natural or that is bad or explain why it bothers your god or how that would keep you apart so no not much help

Well...if all everyone did was have sex with same sex, we would die out in about 50 years. Isn't that proof enough? God calls it "un natural", I can see why. Mankind wouldn't last more than one generation living the "un natural" way. Doing as God intended keeps us going.
 
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Well...if all everyone did was have sex with same sex, we would die out in about 50 years. Isn't that proof enough? God calls it "un natural", I can see why. Mankind wouldn't last more than one generation living the "un natural" way. Doing as God intended keeps us going.

You don't know what God thinks of anything. Best you can do is make a guess based on what some monk or divinity student or someone wrote when he was translating something 400 years ago.
 
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Well...if all everyone did was have sex with same sex, we would die out in about 50 years. Isn't that proof enough? God calls it "un natural", I can see why. Mankind wouldn't last more than one generation living the "un natural" way. Doing as God intended keeps us going.

Not true. You do not have to have sex to make a baby. Ever hear of IVF, surrogacy, or sperm donations? All those could be used to make babies.
 
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