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Thoughts on God and Gays! [W: 472]

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zyzygy said:
That is one of my problems with religion. She says that hell does not exist and Logicman says that it does. They can't both be right. You'd think that they would have problems with each other but all they do is have a go at atheists.
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reminds me of this

But that is the spirit of Mordor, Sam; and it has spread to every corner of it. Orcs have always behaved like that.... But ... [they] hate us far more.... If those two had seen us, they would have dropped all their quarrel until we were dead.'
 
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I dont recall anywhere in the Bible seeing the statement "God hates gays". I dont recall anywhere in the Bible where it said "Jesus hates gays". I DO see where Chirst expressed love towards sinners.But he never tolerated sin.

"Go forth...and sin no more."

In word and deed, his was an expression of love. But it was never an embrace of sin.
 
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Rich2018 said:
I'll ask this question again:

Can anyone give a good non-religious reason against same sex marriage ?
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They tried in appellate brief after appellate brief all over the country. It did not work out well for them in the fourth, ninth, seventh, eighth, and tenth circuits or any other except the sixth circuit court of appeals. SCOTUS was unimpressed as well.
 
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btthegreat said:
They tried in appellate brief after appellate brief all over the country. It did not work out well for them in the fourth, ninth, seventh, eighth, and tenth circuits or any other except the sixth circuit court of appeals. SCOTUS was unimpressed as well.
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there really is no reason to be against it, no rational one anyway. Ssms would make up such a tiny fraction of marriages it couldn't cause a population issue, and its not like not being able to be married is going to force homosexuals to take opposite sex partners.

The only argument that I found legitimate was that people would use the legal status to attack businesses that don't want to cater same sex weddings. That can be dealt with separate from marriage rights.
 
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RAMOSS said:
I believe she thinks Jesus is divine, but not God.
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To be clear

JW believe Jesus is the son of god, and is divine. But that God and Jesus are different entities (ie not a trinity).

Which is for some reason what I thought growing up, (while growing up Roman Catholic)
 
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zyzygy said:
That is one of my problems with religion. She says that hell does not exist and Logicman says that it does. They can't both be right. You'd think that they would have problems with each other but all they do is have a go at atheists.
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They have gone after each other when the discussion is about Jesus being god, or just the son of god
 
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I feel God would support gay and lesbian people. Remember, God made Adam before he made Eve. And you have to ask yourself, why make a nude male without the simple fact he did not understand he was naked. God must have been interested in looking at a nude male for a rational reason. And after Eve and Adam did bite the apple and understood they were nude. They were hiding from God seeing them in the nude. And God was pissed in the fact that Adam was covering his penis.
 
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My question to the god-fearing....

As a believer, you are obliged to follow the rules, regulations, and dictates of your god. Or at least those you choose to follow, such as not having sex with others of your gender.

This is all fine, but what does it have to do with me and the majority of citizens who are not members of your cult? How does my marriage affect you? How does my having the same protections against discrimination that you enjoy diminish or impede your relationship with your deity? How does it put your immortal soul in jeopardy? Where does it say in your Bible that if you are to be saved you must force all to obey. I thought it was a personal relationship you've got.
 
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Without the Holy Trinity, gumbo would suck.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
They have gone after each other when the discussion is about Jesus being god, or just the son of god
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Not true...at least on my part...he is free to believe what he wishes, as are you...so am I...
 
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kitsune said:
My question to the god-fearing....

As a believer, you are obliged to follow the rules, regulations, and dictates of your god. Or at least those you choose to follow, such as not having sex with others of your gender.

This is all fine, but what does it have to do with me and the majority of citizens who are not members of your cult? How does my marriage affect you? How does my having the same protections against discrimination that you enjoy diminish or impede your relationship with your deity? How does it put your immortal soul in jeopardy? Where does it say in your Bible that if you are to be saved you must force all to obey. I thought it was a personal relationship you've got.
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It doesn't except by direction of scripture we are obligated to tell others what it says...it means our life as well as yours...
 
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Elvira said:
It doesn't except by direction of scripture we are obligated to tell others what it says...it means our life as well as yours...
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If all it means is promoting your faith on your own time, that's fine. Where I have a problem is when members of this cult or that sect insist on using the power of the state to impose their parochial rules and regs on believer and non-believer alike. Society as a whole should not, imo, be subject to the religious biases or this or that subgroup.
 
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kitsune said:
If all it means is promoting your faith on your own time, that's fine. Where I have a problem is when members of this cult or that sect insist on using the power of the state to impose their parochial rules and regs on believer and non-believer alike. Society as a whole should not, imo, be subject to the religious biases or this or that subgroup.
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I can't control what others do, all I can tell ya is that I don't do it...
 
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Elvira said:
I can't control what others do, all I can tell ya is that I don't do it...
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I'm sorry that more of your fellow believers aren't following your example.
 
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kitsune said:
I'm sorry that more of your fellow believers aren't following your example.
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So am I...I know of 8 1/2 million who do, though...I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses...
 
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Elvira said:
So am I...I know of 8 1/2 million who do, though...I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses...
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And we were doing so well.
 
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Elvira said:
:giggle1:

You did say on our own time and it is our time we donate freely...;)
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We have a Kingdom Hall in our neighborhood. The parishioners seem to spend an ordinate amount of their time visiting our house. But we really don't mind. They are always nice. And we don't have to open the door if we don't feel like it.
 
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Elvira said:
So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...
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Sorry, Elvira, you know I have your back a lot of the time, but this comment is inexcusable. Equating gay folk with these others is not the actions of a Christian. I never doubted your faith before seeing this post.
 
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OlNate said:
Sorry, Elvira, you know I have your back a lot of the time, but this comment is inexcusable. Equating gay folk with these others is not the actions of a Christian. I never doubted your faith before seeing this post.
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Sorry, I never asked for you to have my back and I never will...you place way too much weight on what your opinion means to me...why, I don't know...a person makes his own choices as to what he does with his life...God gave us life and what we do with it is up to us...I stand by that and always will...
 
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Elvira said:
Sorry, I never asked for you to have my back and I never will...you place way too much weight on what your opinion means to me...why, I don't know...a person makes his own choices as to what he does with his life...God gave us life and what we do with it is up to us...I stand by that and always will...
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God commanded us to love each other. No one who would compare gay folk to pedophiles could possibly have the love of God in their heart. I feel like you should walk that statement back, which is me not suggesting you care enough about MY opinion to do so, but maybe you care about God enough to do so. Or not. :shrug:
 
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This seems like as good a thread as any to ask this question.

The verse most commonly used to justify condemning homosexuality is from Leviticus.


Leviticus 20:13 New Living Translation (NLT)

“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
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God, or the person speaking for Him, is pretty unambiguous on two points. One is that He doesn't approve of having sex with those of your gender. The other is that people who do this must be executed. Why is it that those believer who use the Bible to justify their anti-gay bias focus on the first part while ignoring the second. There are a few Christians out there who a consistant here and call for the prescribed punishment for my sin. But most don't.

Is this:
1. Just another example of selective obedience to Biblical commands when what God tells them to do violates the laws of common sense and human decency
2. Something they would like to do, but are unwilling to face the probable earthly consequences

Or are there other reasons they are allowing my husband and I and millions of others like us to practice our sin and live to tell about it?
 
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kitsune said:
This seems like as good a thread as any to ask this question.

The verse most commonly used to justify condemning homosexuality is from Leviticus.




God, or the person speaking for Him, is pretty unambiguous on two points. One is that He doesn't approve of having sex with those of your gender. The other is that people who do this must be executed. Why is it that those believer who use the Bible to justify their anti-gay bias focus on the first part while ignoring the second. There are a few Christians out there who a consistant here and call for the prescribed punishment for my sin. But most don't.

Is this:
1. Just another example of selective obedience to Biblical commands when what God tells them to do violates the laws of common sense and human decency
2. Something they would like to do, but are unwilling to face the probable earthly consequences

Or are there other reasons they are allowing my husband and I and millions of others like us to practice our sin and live to tell about it?
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Well this is actually non obedience to the Bible and it was through non obedience to the Bible that Western Civilization became what it is. If we had gone on lopping noses off for infidelity and executing people for having sex while their wives were having Menzies we wouldn't be speaking English right now we'd be speaking Arabic.

We realized as a culture that obedience is not morality it really is a way to justify immorality.

This is a good thing and this is why the West is the best.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Well this is actually non obedience to the Bible and it was through non obedience to the Bible that Western Civilization became what it is. If we had gone on lopping noses off for infidelity and executing people for having sex while their wives were having Menzies we wouldn't be speaking English right now we'd be speaking Arabic.

We realized as a culture that obedience is not morality it really is a way to justify immorality.

This is a good thing and this is why the West is the best.
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So obedience to the Bible and morality are not the same thing? God sometimes tells us to do immoral things? If this is the case, do people wishing to lead a moral life need to pay any attention to the Bible at all?
 
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