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Thoughts on God and Gays! [W: 472]

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This is true, but it also holds true for other religions, such as Islam, where they're even less accepting of gays.

Religion has been the cause of much strife, hatred and war in our world over the centuries and, hopefully, it will continue to fade away. If current statistics hold -- we will one day be rid of the cults that spawn hatred and judgementalism.

In that case you're going to have to dissolve your highly religious Trump-cult as well and begin to think for yourself as an individual.
 
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Old covenant versus new covenant...apples and oranges...

It's still a bunch of fairy tales containing the opinions of men meant to influence the opinions and actions of others.
 
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So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...

That is a personal decision, being gay is not.
 
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I don't hate or fear them...I respect what the Bible says...the act is wrong in God's eyes...

You respect a book that was not even written until around the year 300? Then it was written and interpreted by people who probably did not even read the languages they were translating. My daughter learned Greek and Latin in college and her professor laughed at the translation of the Bible from Greek to English. He said it was translated poorly.
 
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So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...

pedophiles maybe and perhaps every one else depending on if free will truly exists or not and it makes sense, things your god made could be evil since it created the conditions evil could exist in to please itself

but while pedophila murdeirng and stealing seem evil no 1 has given me a good reason to see same sex attraction as evil

but scum who would condemn others based on faith to make themselves feel better are clearly evil to me

i cant tell you in words how disgusting and vile they are

just like me really but iv never hurt other people and told myself it was good for every one
 
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So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...
Well...actually he did, if you believe in that magic man bull****.
 
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That is a personal decision, being gay is not.

Actions are actions...we all have a choice to commit them or not...some people have a compulsion/desire to murder, some people have a compulsion/desire to be with children...some people have a compulsion/desire to be with the same sex...
 
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You respect a book that was not even written until around the year 300? Then it was written and interpreted by people who probably did not even read the languages they were translating. My daughter learned Greek and Latin in college and her professor laughed at the translation of the Bible from Greek to English. He said it was translated poorly.

You need to research and get your facts straight first of when men of God first started writing down what God told them...also, it depends on what translation you use...KJV is poorly translated...
 
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Actions are actions...we all have a choice to commit them or not...some people have a compulsion/desire to murder, some people have a compulsion/desire to be with children...some people have a compulsion/desire to be with the same sex...

And some people have a compulsion/desire to make false equivalencies
 
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Actions are actions...we all have a choice to commit them or not...some people have a compulsion/desire to murder, some people have a compulsion/desire to be with children...some people have a compulsion/desire to be with the same sex...

Some people have a compulsion to submit to their fear and ignorance and also to commit atrocities citing their religious beliefs as justification.
 
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True. Many believers here have told me that the new covenant means that they don't have to kill people who work on the sabbath and don't kill their sassy children and then use the OT to attack gays.

Usually said while eating shrimp.
 
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So God makes murderers and thieves and serial killers, too...got it...oh and pedophiles...lets not forget them...

Isaiahn 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
 
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Isaiahn 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.

So you have no idea what that scripture means and you are using a poor translation to boot...figures...
 
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So you have no idea what that scripture means and you are using a poor translation to boot...figures...

Of course, you do realize the word in Isaiah 45:7 that is translated as 'evil' in my translation is the exact same word in Genesis when talkiing about the tree of knowlege of good and evil, don't you?? (Of course you didn't..if you thought my translation was poor). Fact of that matter, the term "RA" in Isaiah 45:7 is the exact same term in Genesis for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil..)
 
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You know God doesn't make people murder people.
Although i agree with you that murder is a choice, your unerstanding of what a miserable god is capable of is something else.
Genesis 22:2: Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."
 
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Of course, you do realize the word in Isaiah 45:7 that is translated as 'evil' in my translation is the exact same word in Genesis when talkiing about the tree of knowlege of good and evil, don't you?? (Of course you didn't..if you thought my translation was poor). Fact of that matter, the term "RA" in Isaiah 45:7 is the exact same term in Genesis for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil..)

I stand by what I said...you don't know what you're talking about with Isaiah 45:7...

Doesn't Isaiah 45:7 Teach That God Is the Author of Sin?

A careful study of the Hebrew words used in this passage and elsewhere in Scripture tells us that the answer is clearly no - and why.

Hebrew Words for "Evil" and "Sin"

The word translated "evil" in the King James rendering of this verse (and also in the American Standard Version) is the Hebrew word rah. In the KJV and New King James Version, rah is most often translated as "evil". The word in its most ancient forms signifies "breakup" or "ruin". Rah is used nearly 700 times in the Old Testament. Other versions of Isaiah 45:7 translate rah as "calamity" (NKJV, New American Standard, English Standard Version, Amplified Bible, and others) or "disaster" (New International Version).

In the King James version, in some instances rah is also translated "calamity" (Psalm 141:5); "distress" (Nehemiah 2:17); "adversity" (Psalm 94:13 and elsewhere); "grief" (Nehemiah 2:10 and elsewhere); "affliction" (Numbers 11:11 and elsewhere); "misery" (Ecclesiastes 8:6); "trouble" (Psalm 41:1 and elsewhere); "hurt" (Genesis 26:29 and elsewhere); and by other words including "wretchedness" - "harm" - "ill" - "mischief" - and "sorrow".

However, rah is not the Hebrew word that is almost invariably translated "sin" in the Old Testament. That word is kattawaw, whose basic meaning is "to miss the mark". Kattawaw is used nearly 500 times on the Old Testament, is mainly translated "sin" in the KJV and NKJV, and has a meaning very similar to the predominant New Testament Greek word for sin, hamartia.

Doesn't Isaiah 45:7 Teach That God Is the Author of Sin?

The Meaning of Jehovah’s Bringing Evil. Rightly, Jehovah brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Jehovah is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases. However, at times Jehovah, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally, in having a warning given, Jehovah has undeservedly provided opportunities for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.​—Eze 33:11.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001452
 
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Although i agree with you that murder is a choice, your unerstanding of what a miserable god is capable of is something else.
Genesis 22:2: Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."

Well, you have to keep in mind the bible wasn't written by God. It is often peppered with opinionated nonsense. And I'm thinking Abraham wanted to express his piety, or more likely religious clerics wanted absolute devotion and presented this story as a form of unquestioning devotion to their authority.

Think about Ezekiel 23. This is clearly written by a jealous man.

I really suggest reading that bit, its quite funny.
 
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I stand by what I said...you don't know what you're talking about with Isaiah 45:7...

Doesn't Isaiah 45:7 Teach That God Is the Author of Sin?

A careful study of the Hebrew words used in this passage and elsewhere in Scripture tells us that the answer is clearly no - and why.

Hebrew Words for "Evil" and "Sin"

The word translated "evil" in the King James rendering of this verse (and also in the American Standard Version) is the Hebrew word rah. In the KJV and New King James Version, rah is most often translated as "evil". The word in its most ancient forms signifies "breakup" or "ruin". Rah is used nearly 700 times in the Old Testament. Other versions of Isaiah 45:7 translate rah as "calamity" (NKJV, New American Standard, English Standard Version, Amplified Bible, and others) or "disaster" (New International Version).

In the King James version, in some instances rah is also translated "calamity" (Psalm 141:5); "distress" (Nehemiah 2:17); "adversity" (Psalm 94:13 and elsewhere); "grief" (Nehemiah 2:10 and elsewhere); "affliction" (Numbers 11:11 and elsewhere); "misery" (Ecclesiastes 8:6); "trouble" (Psalm 41:1 and elsewhere); "hurt" (Genesis 26:29 and elsewhere); and by other words including "wretchedness" - "harm" - "ill" - "mischief" - and "sorrow".

However, rah is not the Hebrew word that is almost invariably translated "sin" in the Old Testament. That word is kattawaw, whose basic meaning is "to miss the mark". Kattawaw is used nearly 500 times on the Old Testament, is mainly translated "sin" in the KJV and NKJV, and has a meaning very similar to the predominant New Testament Greek word for sin, hamartia.

Doesn't Isaiah 45:7 Teach That God Is the Author of Sin?

The Meaning of Jehovah’s Bringing Evil. Rightly, Jehovah brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Jehovah is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases. However, at times Jehovah, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally, in having a warning given, Jehovah has undeservedly provided opportunities for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.​—Eze 33:11.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001452


Well, that is a horrible commentary, and totally inaccurate. That is what I would expect from someone using the New World Translation. It makes things up, and does not actually look at the words, or understand the context. This is a massive attempt to say that ra (רַע ) does not mean Ra
 
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The Meaning of Jehovah’s Bringing Evil. Rightly, Jehovah brought evil or calamity upon Adam for his disobedience. Hence, in the Scriptures, Jehovah is referred to as the Creator of evil or calamity. (Isa 45:7; compare KJ.) His enforcing of the penalty for sin, namely, death, has proved to be an evil, or a calamity, for mankind. So, then, evil is not always synonymous with wrongdoing. Examples of evils or calamities created by Jehovah are the Flood of Noah’s day and the Ten Plagues visited upon Egypt. But these evils were not wrongs. Rather, the rightful administration of justice against wrongdoers was involved in both cases. However, at times Jehovah, in his mercy, has refrained from bringing the intended calamity or evil in execution of his righteous judgment because of the repentance on the part of those concerned. (Jon 3:10) Additionally, in having a warning given, Jehovah has undeservedly provided opportunities for the practicers of bad to change their course and thus to keep living.​—Eze 33:11.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001452

The watch tower that's your source. You might as well source scientology or Anton levay.
 
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The watch tower that's your source. You might as well source scientology or Anton levay.

And what about the other source...it agrees with JW.org...say it ain't so!:roll:
 
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And what about the other source...it agrees with JW.org...say it ain't so!:roll:

One thing neither source addressed is the word 'Ra' used in Isaiah 45:7 is the same word in Genesis 2:17 in describing the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
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And what about the other source...it agrees with JW.org...say it ain't so!:roll:

I don't really care. The watchtower organization is fringe opinion. You shouldn't source that, even if you are JW. It really only applies to JW.
 
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I don't really care. The watchtower organization is fringe opinion. You shouldn't source that, even if you are JW. It really only applies to JW.

Prove them wrong...do your own research...I would trust their site over any other...they research and research again to make sure they put up accurate information always...
 
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