Thomas Sowell on the Problems for Blacks Created by the White Liberal Agenda.

[RickJames3000]

Better IMO than your evident low opinion of them.

How else to explain all the victimhood claims when there are all sorts of opportunities to advance that Black Americans did not have yet STILL turned out people like Thurgood Marshall, Washington Carver, and Frederick Douglas to name a very, very few?

Who knows?
Maybe you are right... maybe poor black kids born into dire conditions will profit more from your methods of shaming, rather than extending them the opportunities they need to succeed. How do they typically respond to your mentoring efforts?

Do you have a high success rate using your "blame the victim" strategy?

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

And of course, you understand the problem much more than Thomas Sowell could ever have.

Maybe you should listen in to a few of his lectures.

I didn't say I understood the problem any more then anyone else. I said for people to just point to 'liberals' and 'liberal policies' as the ONLY reason for the problems in the Black communities is a lazy and ignorant generalization. And if you look at the OP(believe me I am NOT singling him out, many, MANY Cons including the AM radio talking heads daily use lazy and ignorant generalizations) that's exactly what number 4 and 5 do. They put ALL the blame on liberals. And if Mr. Sowell does that then he is lazy and ignorant too.

 

[Captain Adverse]

So we've come full circle. You've claimed everyone in America has equal opportunity and that black schools aren't statistically worse than white schools, blacks are just inherently lazy. I've said this before, but calamity is right, you really are an Uncle Tom for your race.

I never said any of those things, as you well know. As is often the case with people who have no argument, you are putting words into someone's mouth (a logical fallacy) to change their argument and dismiss it as unworthy of consideration. Then you use the term "Uncle Tom" (racist slang) as if you are entitled to offend because you are one of the "nice" non-Black people.

No problem...I am not offended.

If an Uncle Tom is a person who works hard within a system to achieve his own goals of personal success and advancement, rather than wallowing in self-pity and victimhood ideology...I'll wear the epithet proudly.

I only wish more of our young Black youth would shrug off this effort at internal policing which is IMHO one of the real actions that is keeping Black's down.

 

[calamity]

With zero proof or credits to support your claim.

I supposes a few hundred thousand young blacks are all racists for enjoying and learning from his speeches and lectures.

The "Uncle Tom" as you describe him, is just more Calamity bait tossing

lol...yeah, a black guy who finds popularity among white racists for saying things they want to hear. We call that an Uncle Tom.

 

[Port & Starboard]

I didn't say I understood the problem any more then anyone else. I said for people to just point to 'liberals' and 'liberal policies' as the ONLY reason for the problems in the Black communities is a lazy and ignorant generalization. And if you look at the OP(believe me I am NOT singling him out, many, MANY Cons including the AM radio talking heads daily use lazy and ignorant generalizations) that's exactly what number 4 and 5 do. They put ALL the blame on liberals. And if Mr. Sowell does that then he is lazy and ignorant too.

Liberal policies have certainly accounted for the break up of the black families beginning in the 60's. Liberals teachers unions have been in control of the school system for decades with zero gain on results, and a large waste of tax dollars to boot. One of the main democrat battles cries every election cycle is, them nasty republicans are going to take away your welfare and starve your kids.

Mr. Sowell goes into all angles of the poverty issues, politics, the economy, and other areas regarding social issues. His lectures are splattered all the "youtube"...............go listen to him and decide for yourself. He is a very intellectual human being. I heard him speak at Norfolk State while standing 40 feet away from him just off the stage. It was a 1 hour bucket list type of experience. There was nothing lefty or righty about his lecture that day.

 

[blackjack50]

I brought this up in another thread. Funny how EVERY problem in this country is the 'liberals' fault. You Cons got to turn the AM radio OFF. BTW I don't know a single 'liberal' who condones and glorifies 'lawless thug life'.

Anyway I am old enough to remember what Black culture was like back in the 50's and 60's. And I also remember when I was down south signs on bathrooms that said 'Whites Only'. And signs in restaurants that said 'no colored allowed'. And reading about Blacks being made to sit in the back of the bus. And those things went on for 100+ years.

And even today I read stories about people referring to the previous 1st lady as an 'ape in heals'.

But of course none of that has anything to do with the problems of race in this country. No, it's all the 'liberals' fault.

So blacks aren't capable of helping themselves?


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[Captain Adverse]

Who knows?
Maybe you are right... maybe poor black kids born into dire conditions will profit more from your methods of shaming, rather than extending them the opportunities they need to succeed. How do they typically respond to your mentoring efforts?

Do you have a high success rate using your "blame the victim" strategy?

My method of shaming? Really?

Oh, you mean my repeat of the term used by Mr. Sowell, "Black Redneck?"

Hmmm....I suppose to some that might be considered as you state, not just an identifier of a segment of Black culture (much like people label certain members of White culture "Redneck"), but "shaming."

It was not my intention, but oh well. :shrug:

As to your "blame the victim" assertion? On the contrary, my comments are the direct opposite of victimhood ideology which you seem to embrace so thoroughly.

The only Blacks that are victims are those who voluntarily don the cloak of the SJW victimhood mentality; embracing the idea that they are eternal victims where everyone not Black (except including those Black's they freely label Uncle Toms) is against them.

I am arguing that Blacks don't need to wear this cloak. That they are equal citizens and they have myriad opportunities to better themselves, but for reasons (some of which Mr. Sowell expresses) mostly under their own control they don't make use of them.

All I am saying is own your own life, and don't blame others for successes or failures...it's the only life you got so get to going with it.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

So blacks aren't capable of helping themselves?


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A quote from my very next post in THIS thread:

There are many problems within the Black community that only Blacks can solve for themselves.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

One of the main democrat battles cries every election cycle is, them nasty republicans are going to take away your welfare and starve your kids.

That's all folks----

Have a nice day.

 

[RickJames3000]

(...)

The only Blacks that are victims are those who voluntarily don the cloak of the SJW victimhood mentality

(...)


All I am saying is own your own life, and don't blame others for successes or failures.

Sure. That's why I said your views on the subject come across as sanctimonious.

So once again I'll ask you the key question:

Once you got done congratulating yourself on your self-reliance and success, how did you share your message and methods with the Black Community?
And what was your success rate working with young black youth born into poverty?

Or haven't you been able to progress past the stage of self-congratulation?

 

[Captain Adverse]

Sure. That's why I said your views on the subject come across as sanctimonious.

So once again I'll ask you the key question:

Once you got done congratulating yourself on your self-reliance and success, how did you share your message and methods with the Black Community?
And what was your success rate working with young black youth born into poverty?

Or haven't you been able to progress past the stage of self-congratulation?

Excuse me?

I don't engage in self-justification, much less doing so online. :roll:

1. You don't know me or anything about me. I have no intention of sharing who I am beyond any anecdotal statements I choose to offer that you can accept or reject as you see fit.

2. I don't owe you anything other than my stated opinions, positions, and my arguments for or against them.

3. I have nothing to prove to you. Live with it. :shrug:

 

[RickJames3000]

3. I have nothing to prove to you.

You mean you have nothing useful to offer on this subject.
So noted.:coffeepap

 

[Renae]

Not a day goes by when some successful black person isn't called an N-word or some other racial epitaph in any comment section across America, be he or she President, first lady, a nationally known physisist or a star athlete.

The problem isn't liberals. The problem is racism.

Mularky

 

[Captain Adverse]

You mean you have nothing useful to offer on this subject.
So noted.:coffeepap

I have made many valid points...NONE of which you have offered any insights into.

Mr. Sowell's video did so as well, again NONE of which you have offered any insights into.

As usual, your responses are combinations of personal attacks, straw man, and red herring fallacies with no debate merit.

Yet you expect people to take you seriously?

 

[calamity]

Mularky

Truths hurt. Denial soothes the pain.

 

[Renae]

Truths hurt.

Sorry to have hurt you.

 

[calamity]

Sorry to have hurt you.

lol...yeah, that must have been it :roll:

 

[Renae]

Many of our Forum members may not be old enough to remember what Black culture was like back in the 50's and 60's before the advent of Affirmative Action and the welfare expansion.

I am often surprised at how many historical figures I have met over the course of my early lifetime. In regards to this topic, I never had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King; but I did meet Malcolm X twice due to the fact an uncle was a follower of his and had hosted some meetings of Malcolm's group in his apartment in Harlem N.Y.. I also met Angela Davis when I was living with my aunt's family in Watts, CA back in 1970. I can tell you that neither of those people believed in the wide-spread dependence on the welfare system, or any other hand-out from White society. It seemed to me that they pushed personal effort as educated and active citizens as the soundest method of Black advancement as equal members of American society. That's not what I see today in Black culture.

Thomas Sowell, who wrote the book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals," holds the same viewpoints and has written about what has been problematic ever since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Rednecks_and_White_Liberals

The following video sums it up in a (relative) nutshell:



The key points:

1. Black Rednecks and the welfare lifestyle that perpetuates this culture. Claiming the problems of Blacks are consequences of the actions of Whites allows a blanket excuse for personal and cultural shortcomings

2. Blaming others for anything in which Blacks lag behind (or like riots, the things Black's do), leads to the belief among Black Rednecks that external reasons are the cause of anything that happens to Blacks.

3. Black Redneck hostility toward other minorities is ignored or justified.

4. The lawless thug life and gangsta rap is not only condoned but glorified by White Liberals.

5. White Liberals always opine "What can we do to help them?" as opposed to letting Blacks act to improve themselves.

6. Misconceptions of history. Using slavery as an all-purpose explanation for many social phenomena and counter-productive behavior, without evidence and against actual evidence to the contrary.

7. That Racism accounts for most Black problems.

IMO if Blacks really want to advance, then throwing off this victimhood mentality and striving as every other person, white or minority, to advance on ones own merits would be the key to success.

I have this book on my book shelf, Dr. Sowell is a very wise man.

 

[RickJames3000]

I have made many valid points...NONE of which you have offered any insights into.

Mr. Sowell's video did so as well, again NONE of which you have offered any insights into.

As usual, your responses are combinations of personal attacks, straw man, and red herring fallacies with no debate merit.

Yet you expect people to take you seriously?

You have offered nothing but sanctimony and victim-shaming.
And you have continually stumbled over your own hypocrisy for all to see.

You claim you don't "engage in self-justification" and that you "have no intention of sharing" who you are...

Yet you had no compunction about attempting to bolster whatever weak arguments you have attempted here by telling us about your many experiences meeting black leaders... and having a distinguished grandfather... and being a lawyer. You talked about your parents and your military history too. But for some reason you attempt a cowardly withdrawal when asked to provide the meaningful details required to assess the quality of your opinions.

Why would I ever suspect you'd be willing to share details that were actually relevant to the argument you have been trying to make? What nerve!

And then.. after taking the time to share your gratuitously irrelevant ad hominem attack on me, you whine about having to take me seriously?

Feel free to forego responding to my posts with more of your typical nonsense.:coffeepap

 

[Renae]

lol...yeah, that must have been it :roll:

Oh, you meant you had brought truth to the discussion. I'm sorry you are still confined in your thinking by skin color, it's sad to hear about this. Most of quit caring about skin color a long time ago... so how about joining us in the 21st century eh?

 

[calamity]

I have this book on my book shelf, Dr. Sowell is a very wise man.

....telling you what you want to hear.

 

[Renae]

You have offered nothing but sanctimony and victim-shaming.
And you have continually stumbled over your own hypocrisy for all to see.

You claim you don't "engage in self-justification" and that you "have no intention of sharing" who you are...

Yet you had no compunction about attempting to bolster whatever weak arguments you have attempted here by telling us about your many experiences meeting black leaders... and having a distinguished grandfather... and being a lawyer. You talked about your parents and your military history too. But for some reason you attempt a withdraw when asked to provide the meaningful details required to assess the quality of your opinions.

Why would I ever suspect you'd be willing to share details that were actually relevant to the argument you have been trying to make? What nerve!

And then.. after taking the time to share your gratuitously irrelevant ad hominem attack on me, you whine about having to take me seriously?

Feel free to forego responding to my posts with more of your typical nonsense.:coffeepap

What is this non-sense you spilled across the screen? Did you drop something on your keyboard?

 

[Renae]

....telling you what you want to hear.

I read a variety of authors, Dr. Sowell is one of them. It might be why you read, to be told your opinion, I'm quite able to formulate a thought independent of others views. It's always sad to hear that a person, like yourself, of advancing years lacks this ability.

 

[RickJames3000]

What is this non-sense you spilled across the screen? Did you drop something on your keyboard?

Are you craving attention? My comment wasn't addressed to you, but if you are interesting in making a point relevant to the thread...
I'll be happy to dismiss it for you.

 

[calamity]

Oh, you meant you had brought truth to the discussion. I'm sorry you are still confined in your thinking by skin color, it's sad to hear about this. Most of quit caring about skin color a long time ago... so how about joining us in the 21st century eh?

How about dealing with the damage done in the 20th, 19th, 18th, and 17th? :roll:

Funny how four centuries of racial oppression is suddenly just "over" just because white people say, "Hey. It's the 21st century." :lamo