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PoppyCock

PoppyCock

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I dont understand how anyone defends this, has the world gone insane?


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PoppyCock said:
I dont understand how anyone defends this, has the world gone insane?


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Christians teach children that if they don't get bathed in the blood of 2000 year old dead Jewish man, they will burn forever in eternal conscious torment.

I think people can certainly ethically cross boundaries in raising their kids, though perhaps no law is broken and the implementation of law might lead to authoritarian overreach and violation of human civil rights.

There is plenty so far that we tolerate with conduct of parents who are Conservative Christians for example, even though much of it is incredibly harmful to their children. So I find it ironic that this is a big issue for the Right.

I think there is much about some of the LGBTQ culture which is in its infancy and there are certainly some expressions that for me cross the boundaries. More properly parents shouldn't be seeking to impose an identity or mode expression, but seeking rather to encourage and guide your child on their unique journey of self discovery in the world. Should this episode require this much attention when we have so many giant issues in front of us, such as climate change, healthcare, infrastructure, wealth inequality.

That's really what all these "social issues" are, red herrings from the truly major issues which impact all our lives and which the GOP and Right Wing have no solutions for. Nope, the Red Pill it turns out is really just a nihilistic acceptance to do nothing to try to change the world from collective action, but to just accept the world as it is, no matter how ****ty it may become. No thanks!
 
TrueScotsman said:
Christians teach children that if they don't get bathed in the blood of 2000 year old dead Jewish man, they will burn forever in eternal conscious torment.

I think people can certainly ethically cross boundaries in raising their kids, though perhaps no law is broken and the implementation of law might lead to authoritarian overreach and violation of human civil rights.

There is plenty so far that we tolerate with conduct of parents who are Conservative Christians for example, even though much of it is incredibly harmful to their children. So I find it ironic that this is a big issue for the Right.

I think there is much about some of the LGBTQ culture which is in its infancy and there are certainly some expressions that for me cross the boundaries. More properly parents shouldn't be seeking to impose an identity or mode expression, but seeking rather to encourage and guide your child on their unique journey of self discovery in the world. Should this episode require this much attention when we have so many giant issues in front of us, such as climate change, healthcare, infrastructure, wealth inequality.

That's really what all these "social issues" are, red herrings from the truly major issues which impact all our lives and which the GOP and Right Wing have no solutions for. Nope, the Red Pill it turns out is really just a nihilistic acceptance to do nothing to try to change the world from collective action, but to just accept the world as it is, no matter how ****ty it may become. No thanks!
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Oh bullcrap, you come right out the gate with a BS deflection then go on to basically minimize it, disgusting.

Yes, this disgusting example of child abuse "Should require this much attention" And one hell of alot more...:doh

The fact you dont seem to think so is abhorrent, to say the very least. I had better not say much else, at this point.
 
TrueScotsman said:
Christians teach children that if they don't get bathed in the blood of 2000 year old dead Jewish man, they will burn forever in eternal conscious torment.

I think people can certainly ethically cross boundaries in raising their kids, though perhaps no law is broken and the implementation of law might lead to authoritarian overreach and violation of human civil rights.

There is plenty so far that we tolerate with conduct of parents who are Conservative Christians for example, even though much of it is incredibly harmful to their children. So I find it ironic that this is a big issue for the Right.

I think there is much about some of the LGBTQ culture which is in its infancy and there are certainly some expressions that for me cross the boundaries. More properly parents shouldn't be seeking to impose an identity or mode expression, but seeking rather to encourage and guide your child on their unique journey of self discovery in the world. Should this episode require this much attention when we have so many giant issues in front of us, such as climate change, healthcare, infrastructure, wealth inequality.

That's really what all these "social issues" are, red herrings from the truly major issues which impact all our lives and which the GOP and Right Wing have no solutions for. Nope, the Red Pill it turns out is really just a nihilistic acceptance to do nothing to try to change the world from collective action, but to just accept the world as it is, no matter how ****ty it may become. No thanks!
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If you think other issues are more important, why in the hell are you posting your long drawn out nonsense about this?
 
PoppyCock said:
Oh bullcrap, you come right out the gate with a BS deflection then go on to basically minimize it, disgusting.

Yes, this disgusting example of child abuse "Should require this much attention" And one hell of alot more...:doh

The fact you dont seem to think so is abhorrent, to say the very least. I had better not say much else, at this point.
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that was the same kind of talk as the woman in your video was using

and that was the 1st sentence the rest was more fair and balanced then what she had to say
 
PoppyCock said:
I dont understand how anyone defends this, has the world gone insane?
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Defending what exactly? All the video shows is a single picture of a kid in a costume. The anchor makes a whole load of assertions and expresses a whole load of personal opinions but there is very little concrete in the actual piece and while there is clearly a wider story behind it, this is very poor coverage of it. She personally lost me the moment she attacked “leftists” without defining or identifying any individuals.

It got them some valuable YouTube hits for promotion and advertising revenue, which would have been the primary purpose in the first place, so it's a win for them regardless.
 
Has that boy undergone surgery to permanently alter the appearance of his flesh, like that anchor has?
 
PoppyCock said:
I dont understand how anyone defends this, has the world gone insane?
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Can you clarify exactly what the "outrage" is here?

Is it that a boy is dressing up as, or performing as a girl? <-- who cares
Is it that a child is "dancing suggestively"? <-- a reasonable concern that crosses many platforms these days
Is it that a child was allowed to "perform" in a bar/nightclub? <-- should absolutely NOT happen

If we can skip the drama-queen hysterical faux-outrage of the youtube video, and be specific about what the true issue is around this that'd be great.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you think other issues are more important, why in the hell are you posting your long drawn out nonsense about this?
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I type very fast, and this is popular Right Wing red herring so it needed to be dispelled. Don't have a refutation? Too bad.
 
My thoughts are...

You know when the Right brays on about virtue signaling...

That video is virtue signaling.
 
I think that the woman in the video was reasonable and fair in what she said. It is unfortunate that things like this are conflated with homosexuality under the "LGBT' agenda.
 
Winston said:
My thoughts are...

You know when the Right brays on about virtue signaling...

That video is virtue signaling.
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Yeah, wanting to protect young children from sexualization and drag queen, simulated stripper acts at 9 YO is hardly "virtue signalling" it's common sense to normal and sane people.:roll:

You want to die on this hill? Just try and justify this perverted, exploitation of children. It's absolutely disgusting. The child should be placed with responsible adults and the "parents" locked up for child abuse.
 
JPUK said:
I think that the woman in the video was reasonable and fair in what she said. It is unfortunate that things like this are conflated with homosexuality under the "LGBT' agenda.
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What kind of people do you think would patronize such a show? All homosexual? Probably not but i sure would not want any around a child, unsupervised.
 
Dragonfly said:
Can you clarify exactly what the "outrage" is here?

Is it that a boy is dressing up as, or performing as a girl? <-- who cares
Is it that a child is "dancing suggestively"? <-- a reasonable concern that crosses many platforms these days
Is it that a child was allowed to "perform" in a bar/nightclub? <-- should absolutely NOT happen

If we can skip the drama-queen hysterical faux-outrage of the youtube video, and be specific about what the true issue is around this that'd be great.
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Care to explain why having a nine year old child dressing in drag and simulating sexually sugesstive dances before perverted adults tossing money like one does at a stripper is possibly in any way shape or form, remotely "OK"?

My gawd, WTF is wrong with the world today?:shock:

That i would even have to explain this to adults, is absolutely sickening.
 
PoppyCock said:
Yeah, wanting to protect young children from sexualization and drag queen, simulated stripper acts at 9 YO is hardly "virtue signalling" it's common sense to normal and sane people.:roll:

You want to die on this hill? Just try and justify this perverted, exploitation of children. It's absolutely disgusting. The child should be placed with responsible adults and the "parents" locked up for child abuse.
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Nah.. There are far bigger fish to fry than some eccentric drag queen show. Does the name Jeffrey Epstein ring a bell? He is a serial rapist of young girls, connected to the political class, including Trump.
 
Winston said:
Nah.. There are far bigger fish to fry than some eccentric drag queen show. Does the name Jeffrey Epstein ring a bell? He is a serial rapist of young girls, connected to the political class, including Trump.
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The epic mishandling of Epstein's blatant predation of dozens of minors is one of the darkest, and most egregious miscarriages of justice in American history; and one of the most nauseatingly profound proofs of the rich being above the law. It is an embarrassment how that sick, repulsive pedophile is still free.
 
PoppyCock said:
What kind of people do you think would patronize such a show? All homosexual? Probably not but i sure would not want any around a child, unsupervised.
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I think it is fair to say that the majority of them would be homosexual, yes. And I agree with what the woman was saying in the video.

But I would hope that this sort of behaviour is not conflated with homosexuality. Because there are gay people who don't condone this sort of stuff, who aren't part of transexual or cross-dressing culture, don't go to gay clubs or gay pride parades, and really are trying to just be normal civil people, get married and integrate with society.
 
JPUK said:
I think it is fair to say that the majority of them would be homosexual, yes. And I agree with what the woman was saying in the video.

But I would hope that this sort of behaviour is not conflated with homosexuality. Because there are gay people who don't condone this sort of stuff, who aren't part of transexual or cross-dressing culture, don't go to gay clubs or gay pride parades, and really are trying to just be normal civil people, get married and integrate with society.
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I realize that.
 
PoppyCock said:
Care to explain why having a nine year old child dressing in drag and simulating sexually sugesstive dances before perverted adults tossing money like one does at a stripper is possibly in any way shape or form, remotely "OK"?

My gawd, WTF is wrong with the world today?:shock:

That i would even have to explain this to adults, is absolutely sickening.
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Boy, you sure do get worked up about things don't you?

The biggest issue here is there's not much "story" to go on.
You provided a rather pathetic video with little more than ranting and raving.
Any chance you could provide something with quite a bit more substance? You know, facts? Details?


I really don't care what nine year olds dress in.
I already said the sexually suggestive dancing part is a valid topic that crosses many areas. Cheerleading. Dance. Music. Child Beauty Pageants.
I absolutely agree that children should not be performing in bars/nightclubs.

Parents can truly screw up their own children in a large variety of ways.
Adults can truly be rather pathetic themselves.

The video you posted is simply a "shock & awe" fearmongering piece of garbage media.

Find something more factual and detail oriented, and perhaps you'll have a better discussion.
 
PoppyCock said:
What kind of people do you think would patronize such a show? All homosexual? Probably not but i sure would not want any around a child, unsupervised.
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The childs mother is there with him at all interviews and performances.
 
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