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Oh. But it seems pretty clear within our country that this is very much a Right-wing partisan push that began simply to oppose Obama and "the leftists." I mean, just look at this site. They are generally all right-wing, most of whom, are FOX News viewers. And Fox News expressly pushed the early idea that the entire thing was just a "liberal hoax." Then it turned into "so what, global warming happens." Now, it's just an exercise in ignoring the massive spike since the Industrial Age.
These two are interesting. I had to check them out. Whatever their personal political leans, they collaborated on a book, The Cold Sun. For whatever reason, the book attracted considerable interest in Germany. I can't imagine why specifically Germany. Anyway, numerous scientists criticized the book for its underlying assumptions to be either outdated or highly speculative.
- Shivav appears to be more interested in promoting his own personal hypothesis that solar and cosmic-rays, passing through the spiral arm of the Milky Way, have been the cause behind the major ice-ages over the past billion years. Fine, but he seems to think that any other factor detracts from his general hypothesis. I don't see why it would. If he is right, then it would only explain the history of climate change, not the massive spike since the Industrial Age.
- Svensmark is also interested in his own theory of Cosmoclimatology. He pushes, during the last 100 years, that cosmic rays became scarcer because unusually vigorous action by the Sun batted away many of them. Fewer cosmic rays meant fewer clouds, which means that cosmic rays "have more effect on the climate than man made CO2." But again, his hypothesis can be right. Though he doesn't explain why the vigorous action of the Sun over the last 100 years is unusual. I would point out that this period followed the emergence of the Industrial Age. Just a coincidence, Svensmark? It seems that he is pushing what the vast majority of scientists everywhere are pushing. He just seems to not want to acknowledge causality.
They both seem to be nervous that their own hypotheses won't be given credit if man made CO2 is a factor to today's climate change. I don't understand their skepticism.
The "right wing partisan push" has no more to do with climate skepticism than the silly mouthings of Al Gore have to do with so-called "consensus' science.
Svensmark:
[h=3]Increased ionization supports growth of aerosols into cloud ... - Nature[/h]https://www.nature.com › nature communications › articles
by H Svensmark - 2017 - Cited by 3 - Related articles
Dec 19, 2017 - Article | Open | Published: 19 December 2017 ... H. Svensmark ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0003-2843-3417 ,; M. B. Enghoff ORCID: ... Clouds are a fundamental part of the terrestrial energy budget, and any process that can ... To form a cloud droplet, water vapor needs to condense to aerosols acting as cloud ...
Shaviv:
Climate debate at the Cambridge Union - a 10 minute summary of the main problems with the standard alarmist polemic