The Wall

[MAGAnificent]

Enough people do want the social insurance system we have set up during the last hundred years that it endures. Call it nanny state if you will, but nannies have their uses.

One doesn’t create policy with anecdotes about Canadians. Mine: Canadian colleague said his brother needed complex surgery for serious condition. Worked out fine, no waiting. He scoffed at the “waiting” myth. Another friend, Mexican, similar experience in that country, tho as I understand it, care is tied to employment. But that is not how one sets policy, with anecdotes. Can you name any legislation pending in any developed nation which would restore something like the status quo ante in the US before Medicare?

I don't know how many times I have to state it. I am not advocating abolishing Medicare. I would like to see it modified to the point where participation is optional or you are allowed to opt into a private sector plan. I would also like to see legislation passed that prevents the politicians from robbing the trust funds for general budget spendingt.

 

[Nickyjo]

I don't know how many times I have to state it. I am not advocating abolishing Medicare. I would like to see it modified to the point where participation is optional or you are allowed to opt into a private sector plan. I would also like to see legislation passed that prevents the politicians from robbing the trust funds for general budget spendingt.

I get your point. I just don’t think a voluntary program would work, which I assume was/is the logic of making many programs mandatory.

 

[CriticalThought]

The wall on the Mexico-Us border has become a left-right symbol.
1) I agree
2) I disagree
3) the wall will solve illegal immigration from the south

****ty poll. Trump is trying his hardest to make it partisan, but it isn't.

 

[earthworm]

California and other states are in deep fiscal trouble in part due to the massive costs associated with caring for illegal immigrants. What good are supposed lower wages for farm workers when the state needs fewer people on welfare and more people in high paid jobs paying high income taxes to support the government?.

If a problem exists, a wall is not the solution, obviously.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I get your point. I just don’t think a voluntary program would work, which I assume was/is the logic of making many programs mandatory.

It absolutely would work as long as the government invested the money properly and ceased stealing from the trust funds for the sake of general budget items.

 

[MAGAnificent]

If a problem exists, a wall is not the solution, obviously.

And where do you get your alleged expertise on whether or not a wall would work? Israle has a wall. It works. And the sections of already completed new wall are working very effectively.

 

[earthworm]

YES , a trillion dollar wall would have an effect for a time . for those who are biased and prejudiced , and the racists . I consider the "wall" to be just plain stupid - nothing more, nothing less !

 

[MAGAnificent]

YES , a trillion dollar wall would have an effect for a time . for those who are biased and prejudiced , and the racists . I consider the "wall" to be just plain stupid - nothing more, nothing less !

When you come out playing the race card, you make it quite obvious that you lack the ability to debate the issue coherently.

 

[marke]

If a problem exists, a wall is not the solution, obviously.

With democrats nothing sensible is a solution unless someone is paying them big bucks under the table to support it.

 

[uptower]

The wall is a myth, from Trump's own chief of staff.

"To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Kelly told the Los Angeles Times.

“The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats," Kelly added. "But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it."

They were never going to build one. Any money congress spends on upgrading and repairing existing structures was bound to come sooner or later anyway. Trump will point to any standard maintenance and call it a 'victory'. But that' not his 'wall'.

 

[concernedpuma]

****ty poll. Trump is trying his hardest to make it partisan, but it isn't.

Not calling you out in particular there are others, but only as the most recent example I see.
We have an eternity to reply, but God help those who can't find find colloquial ways to write what they have to state. If you find yourself typing an obscene word in reply to your fellow correspondents, you might want to consider taking out a few seconds more to appear civil.
Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

****ty poll. Trump is trying his hardest to make it partisan, but it isn't.

It also wouldn't work, in fact it's a totally stupid idea.

 

[concernedpuma]

It also wouldn't work, in fact it's a totally stupid idea.

Why exactly wouldn't it work? Stupid? Explain stupidity in the context you address.
I may be rushing to the presumption that you know more than the President, but your short post suggests that you must. If you are right we could all benefit and save money. Please, from your store of inside knowledge, provide the contrary facts and maybe some options.
Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

Why exactly wouldn't it work? Stupid? Explain stupidity in the context you address.
I may be rushing to the presumption that you know more than the President, but your short post suggests that you must. If you are right we could all benefit and save money. Please, from your store of inside knowledge, provide the contrary facts and maybe some options.
Regards,
CP

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

As for knowing more than the president, most people actually DO.

 

[concernedpuma]

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

As for knowing more than the president, most people actually DO.

I can't disprove an opinion, as was let out by the Cato Institute. In fact, I generally do agree with them. So, it is only my opinion that a wall is needed and will do as it is intended. it may become clear if they are right or not. I favor a barrier to illegal immigration, no matter what is called.
As to your last remark about the President, most people aren't President. Knowing the inside information and intelligence he has access to; it is vainglorious to declare most, or even some(including you and I), know more than he does.
Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

I can't disprove an opinion, as was let out by the Cato Institute. In fact, I generally do agree with them. So, it is only my opinion that a wall is needed and will do as it is intended. it may become clear if they are right or not. I favor a barrier to illegal immigration, no matter what is called.
As to your last remark about the President, most people aren't President. Knowing the inside information and intelligence he has access to; it is vainglorious to declare most, or even some(including you and I), know more than he does.
Regards,
CP

Why, the best way to get rid of illegal immigration is to target the employers , and get e-verifiy in place. If they can't get jobs, they can't get money, and they have no motivation to come here. Also, get ways to monitor migrant workers better.

 

[concernedpuma]

Why, the best way to get rid of illegal immigration is to target the employers , and get e-verifiy in place. If they can't get jobs, they can't get money, and they have no motivation to come here. Also, get ways to monitor migrant workers better.

I am afraid only those who are genuinely hard working folk will be affected by e-verify. MS13 and their ilk aren't here for employment. They couldn't care less about e-verify. Perhaps our immigration policy should be adjusted to favor those in our hemisphere. Don't wait for them to storm the gates, let's recruit the most desirable, and leave a portion for those who claim spousal abuse, or other reasons for immigrating here, rather than staying in Mexico, where the Central Americans reach first.
My heart goes out to those who want to live here. I surely know why, and wish we could accommodate them all, but we just can't.
Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

I am afraid only those who are genuinely hard working folk will be affected by e-verify. MS13 and their ilk aren't here for employment. They couldn't care less about e-verify. Perhaps our immigration policy should be adjusted to favor those in our hemisphere. Don't wait for them to storm the gates, let's recruit the most desirable, and leave a portion for those who claim spousal abuse, or other reasons for immigrating here, rather than staying in Mexico, where the Central Americans reach first.
My heart goes out to those who want to live here. I surely know why, and wish we could accommodate them all, but we just can't.
Regards,
CP

You do realize MS-13 started here, . You are also linking controlling immigration, and stopping illegal immigration with a physical barrier that is ineffective and economically wasteful. There are other , more effective and less expensive alternatives.

 

[concernedpuma]

You do realize MS-13 started here, . You are also linking controlling immigration, and stopping illegal immigration with a physical barrier that is ineffective and economically wasteful. There are other , more effective and less expensive alternatives.

I do know the gang was started here, now. I also freely admit my original thought was that it was an El Salvadorian gang that only grew stronger here. I was wrong back then, but the threat to young immigrants still exists. You make an excellent point nonetheless.
I don't know why you object to a physical barrier to illegal immigration. You write that it is economically wasteful, but how can that be so, when the workers will pay income tax. The suppliers of material are employers/taxpayers, and no money leaves the country? You also mention more effective, but less expensive ways exist, what are they? The border patrol endorses the wall, and it seems they would know better than you or I, doesn't it?

Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

I do know the gang was started here, now. I also freely admit my original thought was that it was an El Salvadorian gang that only grew stronger here. I was wrong back then, but the threat to young immigrants still exists. You make an excellent point nonetheless.
I don't know why you object to a physical barrier to illegal immigration. You write that it is economically wasteful, but how can that be so, when the workers will pay income tax. The suppliers of material are employers/taxpayers, and no money leaves the country? You also mention more effective, but less expensive ways exist, what are they? The border patrol endorses the wall, and it seems they would know better than you or I, doesn't it?

Regards,
CP

the article from Cato shows why it won't work. There is also the economic burden of building and maintaining the wall, as well as the ecological disaster it would have. Why are you hung up on a physical wall that won't work, has negative impacts on the environment, and is extraordinary expensive for doing nothing?

 

[concernedpuma]

the article from Cato shows why it won't work. There is also the economic burden of building and maintaining the wall, as well as the ecological disaster it would have. Why are you hung up on a physical wall that won't work, has negative impacts on the environment, and is extraordinary expensive for doing nothing?

Rather than get lost in the weeds. Let me ask you straight forward, what is it you think would stop illegal immigration at the southern border, or the percentage of stoppage you find as an acceptable alternative?
Regards,
CP

 

[RAMOSS]

Rather than get lost in the weeds. Let me ask you straight forward, what is it you think would stop illegal immigration at the southern border, or the percentage of stoppage you find as an acceptable alternative?
Regards,
CP

E-verify is a good start. Go after the people who give undocumented immigrants jobs, and they don't have the means to live here, so they leave. Increasing technology and border personal would be much more effective too. The modern technology would include fixed towers, cameras, and areal and underground sensors. Also , expand the container security initiative.

 

[concernedpuma]

E-verify is a good start. Go after the people who give undocumented immigrants jobs, and they don't have the means to live here, so they leave. Increasing technology and border personal would be much more effective too. The modern technology would include fixed towers, cameras, and areal and underground sensors. Also , expand the container security initiative.

Again, e-verify works only against those who would be willing to work, and then consider the welfare and free medical care(check out California's programs) Why then would anyone be encouraged to leave? If your ideas for sensors, and other methods, constitute a virtual wall.. I am for those things. If it would work, and is cheaper, why not? There again, the folks who patrol the border are in favor of a wall. Why is that?
Regards,
CP

 

[uptower]

Umm, I might be the first to say it, but i think this is the point it's come to after Trump's big back down:

What wall?

 

[RAMOSS]

Again, e-verify works only against those who would be willing to work, and then consider the welfare and free medical care(check out California's programs) Why then would anyone be encouraged to leave? If your ideas for sensors, and other methods, constitute a virtual wall.. I am for those things. If it would work, and is cheaper, why not? There again, the folks who patrol the border are in favor of a wall. Why is that?
Regards,
CP

You see a few, others are very much against the wall. Why do you give misinformation?