The Wall

[rickc]

I'm sorry. It is rare to see one so wrong as you are here. I mean no disrespect, but the points you made are fanciful and flighty as to be empty rhetoric. Where did you garner these ides, and where other than a living room, did you make up your mind about this?
Regards,
CP

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kind of.curious what you are disagreeing.with

even trump hires them. nobody is being prosecuted for trump hiring illegals

who do you think picks the fruit and vegetables
who cuts the meat
who builds the buildings
or mows the grass
or.cleans the hotels
i could.go on but i think you get the picture

everyone know where these illegals are.working
no American employers are.prosecuted
wonder why? well if you read the directions to the I-9 form you will see how easy it is to hire illegal immigrants legally.
but if everify was mandantory that would.put a stop to it.
why won't congress make everify mandantory? because those who write the checks want that cheap labor.here.

 

[Idiometer]

I'll ask again. If Medicare is so great, why the need for a supplemental? If we go to Medicare for all, the supplemental plans as well as the Advantages plans would go away as there would not be any real financial incentive to offer them. After all, they are provided by for profit health insurance companies. And there would be many less doctors to provide medicare or supplemental services. Your asking for proof is a bit silly. The only proof would be letting it happen then you would see the results. And the ten dollar tylenol pill is a result of the hospitals having to take much less for covered medical services.

So, nothing of substance to back up your claim.

As gor the supplements, if Medicare paid 100% of costs, we wouldn't need them. Are you implying that Medicare for all would cover 100%? I'm guessing not, and that the supplements would be the only thing keeping the health care insurance industry in business, but I could be wrong. But if you think about it, having UHC cover 80% as Medicare does, that would leave at least a niche for capitalism. Wouldn't conservatives like that?

Anyway, epic fail on making a wild claim that you couldn't back up with anything even remotely resembling a fact.

 

[Bodi]

So, nothing of substance to back up your claim.

:lol:

 

[MAGAnificent]

How is Medicare for all different from the successful programs in just about every other developed country?

You are falsely assuming they are all successful

https://www.investors.com/politics/...s-collapsing-single-payer-health-care-system/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...-health-care-system-failures-cautionary-tale/

You are currently free to try a private management firm, I assume through heath savings accounts. Good for you in your search.

I am free to do so....and if the government will simply refund me all the funds they forcibly deducted from my pay checks for over four decades with interest, I would gladly forego Medicare. The same goes with Social Security.

But do you really think my parents, for example, who never went to high school and the rest of the country should read prospectuses from various firms?

They could do the same thing that college graduates do. Seek information and advice from those in the financial fields. Personally I do not manage my stock portfolio. I put that in the hands of a professional firm. Same goes with Medicare. I did not just go shopping for supplemental or Advantage plans on the internet. I sought the advice of an insurance agent very schooled on the parameters of what's available. I met with the agent twice and was charged nothing for her services.

I brought up Ryan because of his Ayn Rand dream that we are all individual agents free to contract with one another, to go one on one with corporations to decide our economic fates, fully aware of how long we will live, what diseases we will get, etc. Medicare and SS are baseline programs we all contribute to as part of an interdependent society, from socius in Latin, meaning comrade (gasp!) or ally.

Oh, I see. Ryan (who I am not a fan of) offended your utopian dream of a nanny government that acts as your mommy and daddy and provides everything. Personally I do not have a problem with the government providing a safety net and I am not advocating for abolishing Medicare and Social Security, however, participation in those programs should not be mandatory. At the least, citizens should be given the choice put opting into privately run plans that are only audited by the government.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So, nothing of substance to back up your claim.

Your way of clapping your hand over your ears and chanting:" Lalalalalalala I can't hear you."

As gor the supplements, if Medicare paid 100% of costs, we wouldn't need them. Are you implying that Medicare for all would cover 100%? I'm guessing not, and that the supplements would be the only thing keeping the health care insurance industry in business, but I could be wrong.

You are wrong. The government would be making the vast majority of calls regarding how many hospitals are built, how much high tech diagnostic equipment is purchased, and to a point, how many doctors and specialists there are. With the government calling those shots, there would be a minimum amount of funding budgeted. And ofcourse Medicare would not cover 100%. In fact under a Medicare for all system, they would end up rationing healthcare.

But if you think about it, having UHC cover 80% as Medicare does, that would leave at least a niche for capitalism. Wouldn't conservatives like that?

Would not be much of a niche. What you are apparently ignorant about is the government is billed for most of those services provided by supplemental and Advantage plans. And the government decides what to pay them for any given service.....and it will be the minimum. That is not enough for a private healthcare system to flourish. And without the profit motive, the availability of healthcare services, equipment, etc shrinks. Ask any Veteran who uses the VA Healthcare system(ask me). Ask any native American living on a federal reservation how well that government healthcare works.

Anyway, epic fail on making a wild claim that you couldn't back up with anything even remotely resembling a fact.

Unlike you, I have experienced government provided healthcare. I have many more facts then you think you do.

 

[justabubba]

You are falsely assuming they are all successful

https://www.investors.com/politics/...s-collapsing-single-payer-health-care-system/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...-health-care-system-failures-cautionary-tale/



I am free to do so....and if the government will simply refund me all the funds they forcibly deducted from my pay checks for over four decades with interest, I would gladly forego Medicare. The same goes with Social Security.



They could do the same thing that college graduates do. Seek information and advice from those in the financial fields. Personally I do not manage my stock portfolio. I put that in the hands of a professional firm. Same goes with Medicare. I did not just go shopping for supplemental or Advantage plans on the internet. I sought the advice of an insurance agent very schooled on the parameters of what's available. I met with the agent twice and was charged nothing for her services.




Oh, I see. Ryan (who I am not a fan of) offended your utopian dream of a nanny government that acts as your mommy and daddy and provides everything. Personally I do not have a problem with the government providing a safety net and I am not advocating for abolishing Medicare and Social Security, however, participation in those programs should not be mandatory. At the least, citizens should be given the choice put opting into privately run plans that are only audited by the government.

you were free to leave four decades ago. but you did not. instead, you remained and thus assented to the tax system subjected to American citizens and residents

you have only yourself to blame for failing to save your otherwise requisite tax contributions by emigrating to some foreign destination like syria, iran, or iraq. given your angst about those decades of taxes paid, why did you not flee such a system back then

 

[marke]

you were free to leave four decades ago. but you did not. instead, you remained and thus assented to the tax system subjected to American citizens and residents

you have only yourself to blame for failing to save your otherwise requisite tax contributions by emigrating to some foreign destination like syria, iran, or iraq. given your angst about those decades of taxes paid, why did you not flee such a system back then

I paid social security taxes for 50 years, only to be told I may never be able to rest assured that social security will pay me retirement money till I die like was promised.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I paid social security taxes for 50 years, only to be told I may never be able to rest assured that social security will pay me retirement money till I die like was promised.

That would place you in the mid-60s age group.

So, you would prefer that the GOP tear it all down and you have nothing now or ever?

 

[Rexedgar]

I paid social security taxes for 50 years, only to be told I may never be able to rest assured that social security will pay me retirement money till I die like was promised.

Are SS checks/direct deposits your only income source?
Cradle to grave security went out of style forty years ago.......

And what the **** all does this have to do with the OP?

 

[slick]

It is the nutters on the left who claim the majority of Americans are against the wall based on the same opinion pollsters that assured them Hillary would be elected president in 2016.

The wall will be the first significant instrument to impede the balkanization of America since Ted Kennedy & his partner in crime
LBJ forced the Immigration Bill of 1965 which the Americans of 1965 said in the form of a Harris Poll that they opposed any immigration increase at all by 2 to 1. The effect of that law was that the 'American' of 1965 was far different
than the 'American' of today is.

When you have any sort of traumatic injury/open wound, what is the first thing you try to do? Stop the bleeding!! We need a wall
to put an end to these mindless democrat importation schemes !

"Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation' gibran 1934

 

[Nickyjo]

You are falsely assuming they are all successful

https://www.investors.com/politics/...s-collapsing-single-payer-health-care-system/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017...-health-care-system-failures-cautionary-tale/



I am free to do so....and if the government will simply refund me all the funds they forcibly deducted from my pay checks for over four decades with interest, I would gladly forego Medicare. The same goes with Social Security.



They could do the same thing that college graduates do. Seek information and advice from those in the financial fields. Personally I do not manage my stock portfolio. I put that in the hands of a professional firm. Same goes with Medicare. I did not just go shopping for supplemental or Advantage plans on the internet. I sought the advice of an insurance agent very schooled on the parameters of what's available. I met with the agent twice and was charged nothing for her services.




Oh, I see. Ryan (who I am not a fan of) offended your utopian dream of a nanny government that acts as your mommy and daddy and provides everything. Personally I do not have a problem with the government providing a safety net and I am not advocating for abolishing Medicare and Social Security, however, participation in those programs should not be mandatory. At the least, citizens should be given the choice put opting into privately run plans that are only audited by the government.

Sorry but your view of how the world should work has been out of date for roughly 100 years, since child labor was abolished by the nanny state.We have decided that we are in this together, mixing the energy of capitalism with humane dollops of socialism. You and my son need to contribute to SS and Medicare so that I can enjoy it, his kids will follow suit. That’s the collective bargain we made long ago.

As to Europe, why aren’t they getting rid of their systems of health care. I’ve visited a few times plus Canada and never seen demos demanding that they change to the pre Medicare US system.

 

[marke]

That would place you in the mid-60s age group.

So, you would prefer that the GOP tear it all down and you have nothing now or ever?

The GOP will be blamed by democrats for the fiscal collapse when it comes. Never mind their own part in the decades of massive government overspending.

 

[zyzygy]

Are SS checks/direct deposits your only income source?
Cradle to grave security went out of style forty years ago.......

And what the **** all does this have to do with the OP?

Not where I live.

 

[Rexedgar]

Not where I live.

I like Europe; my people come from Europe. The Flemish region of Belgium has a population of 6.5 million; what is that about half of the country? The US is what 350 million? Apples to what? Bully for you!

 

[Idiometer]

Unlike you, I have experienced government provided healthcare. I have many more facts then you think you do.

Sure I have. I've been on Medicare for years.

Sorry, not going to waste time with you. You're both arrogant and ignorant. You make strong claims and don't back them up. I really hate that. You have a nice day, honey.

 

[earthworm]

no
no
no
Three lousy choices, of which I will never buy into.
The "wall" will do nothing positive .

 

[MAGAnificent]

you were free to leave four decades ago. but you did not. instead, you remained and thus assented to the tax system subjected to American citizens and residents

you have only yourself to blame for failing to save your otherwise requisite tax contributions by emigrating to some foreign destination like syria, iran, or iraq. given your angst about those decades of taxes paid, why did you not flee such a system back then

You do not have the foggiest clue what you are talking about. If you go into business for yourself, you can avoid paying SS and Medicare taxes. If you work for an employer, it's mandatory.

 

[earthworm]

A triple amputee Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage, 37 has started a go-fund-me page to fund the wall. He has raised 9.7 million in 3 days for the wall and the donations keep pouring in. If I was a Democrat against the wall I would be paying attention.

Something is seriously WRONG here.. The millions could be so much better spent on
VA Care
infrastructure (Whoops - its all gone !)
lower taxes on the poor....

The donors -- WHAT is their problem ?
Unless this is just more conservative "fake news" .

 

[MAGAnificent]

Sorry but your view of how the world should work has been out of date for roughly 100 years, since child labor was abolished by the nanny state.We have decided that we are in this together, mixing the energy of capitalism with humane dollops of socialism. You and my son need to contribute to SS and Medicare so that I can enjoy it, his kids will follow suit. That’s the collective bargain we made long ago.

Sorry, but not everyone agrees with or seeks the level of nanny state that you want. And it's shameful that you seem to take pride in the fact that your son will be footing the bill for your Medicare and Social Security. Neither program was originally sold to the public that way. If the government would keep it's slimy hands off the trust funds for those programs and properly invest them in interest baring accounts, there would be no need for your son to foot the bill for you.

As to Europe, why aren’t they getting rid of their systems of health care. I’ve visited a few times plus Canada and never seen demos demanding that they change to the pre Medicare US system.

The Canucks only get away with it because in effect, the USA props up their same payer system. However for anything more then simple things like a common cold or flu, the Canucks have waiting periods. Those who can afford it just travel across the US/Canadian border.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Sure I have. I've been on Medicare for years.

You missed the point. I was on government healthcare before eligibility for Medicare. Ever tried VA Healthcare? I have. And what we would get with medicare for all would be worse.

Sorry, not going to waste time with you. You're both arrogant and ignorant. You make strong claims and don't back them up. I really hate that. You have a nice day, honey.

Bye bye. Happy New Year.:bon_voyag

 

[Hari Seldon]

You do not have the foggiest clue what you are talking about. If you go into business for yourself, you can avoid paying SS and Medicare taxes. If you work for an employer, it's mandatory.

How do you avoid self employment tax if you go into business for yourself?

 

[Integrityrespec]

To pretend the wall would have no effect is ridiculous. You may not like it but it would help to control the level of illegal immigration as well as to document who is coming into the country.

 

[marke]

Are SS checks/direct deposits your only income source?
Cradle to grave security went out of style forty years ago.......

And what the **** all does this have to do with the OP?

Social security is not my only income right now but it was when I was hospitalized a while back and it no doubt will be again if the Lord does not return soon.

 

[Nickyjo]

Sorry, but not everyone agrees with or seeks the level of nanny state that you want. And it's shameful that you seem to take pride in the fact that your son will be footing the bill for your Medicare and Social Security. Neither program was originally sold to the public that way. If the government would keep it's slimy hands off the trust funds for those programs and properly invest them in interest baring accounts, there would be no need for your son to foot the bill for you.



The Canucks only get away with it because in effect, the USA props up their same payer system. However for anything more then simple things like a common cold or flu, the Canucks have waiting periods. Those who can afford it just travel across the US/Canadian border.

Enough people do want the social insurance system we have set up during the last hundred years that it endures. Call it nanny state if you will, but nannies have their uses.

One doesn’t create policy with anecdotes about Canadians. Mine: Canadian colleague said his brother needed complex surgery for serious condition. Worked out fine, no waiting. He scoffed at the “waiting” myth. Another friend, Mexican, similar experience in that country, tho as I understand it, care is tied to employment. But that is not how one sets policy, with anecdotes. Can you name any legislation pending in any developed nation which would restore something like the status quo ante in the US before Medicare?

 

[enderpotato00]

no
no
no
Three lousy choices, of which I will never buy into.
The "wall" will do nothing positive .

And how do you know that?