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The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says

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The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.
 
Legal immigrants or illegal immigrant? Last time I checked, illegals weren't allowed to work.
 
Legal immigrants or illegal immigrant? Last time I checked, illegals weren't allowed to work.
You know virtually all illegal immigrants work right?

That is why they come.....they have businesses who are desperately in need of their labor and willing to pay. They would love to come legally, but the legal immigration system is badly broken, takes decades.
 
Transparent propaganda from the Biden administration.

Current US revenues are roughly $4.7 Trillion. They would have us believe that will grow by another $7 trillion in the next 10 years, merely due to all the illegal immigrants entering our country?

Frankly, I could see our debt soaring by that amount - and much more, but revenues? And revenues largely from an uneducated, unskilled workforce (or as Nads Nadler put it - "fruit and vegetable pickers")?

Not buying it. Sounds more like a slick way to justify their open border policy.
 
Transparent propaganda from the Biden administration.

Current US revenues are roughly $4.7 Trillion. They would have us believe that will grow by another $7 trillion in the next 10 years, merely due to all the illegal immigrants entering our country?

Frankly, I could see our debt soaring by that amount - and much more, but revenues? And revenues largely from an uneducated, unskilled workforce (or as Nads Nadler put it - "fruit and vegetable pickers")?

Not buying it. Sounds more like a slick way to justify their open border policy.
I guess you know more than the CBO. As for justification of policy, the CBO is a non-partisan wing of Congress.
 

The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.

If righties were told that immigrants help the US economy, would that further trigger xenophobia in the righties?
 
Legal immigrants or illegal immigrant? Last time I checked, illegals weren't allowed to work.
Legal immigration is close to impossible in this country. People all around the world have been waiting decades to legally immigrate to this country. Sneak in is our current immigration policy.
 

The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.
Immigrants have been used as cheap labor for as long as we had immigration laws. Nothing new here. The rich and powerful need cheap labor to maintain their status. Whether it was the peasants in medieval times, slaves, immigrants when my ancestors came in the 1800s to work in the coal mines it is always the same. The rich need cheap labor to do the work and force labor rates down. The rich and powerful will make more than 7 trillion in the next decade off this cheap labor. That is for sure.
 
This is probably accurate. It often falls to us immigrants to start all those new businesses and startups, create the new tech and industries that keeps the MAGAs employed. I mean, somebody’s got to bring the high skills, creativity, work ethic and ambition to help sofa bound conservatives have and hold jobs that make them able to pay rent and watch Fox News.
 
Transparent propaganda from the Biden administration.

Current US revenues are roughly $4.7 Trillion. They would have us believe that will grow by another $7 trillion in the next 10 years, merely due to all the illegal immigrants entering our country?

Frankly, I could see our debt soaring by that amount - and much more, but revenues? And revenues largely from an uneducated, unskilled workforce (or as Nads Nadler put it - "fruit and vegetable pickers")?

Not buying it. Sounds more like a slick way to justify their open border policy.
No! That is what you have said, not what the article says. The article says that the economy (GDP) will grow by $7T and only that there will also be a rise in govt revenues. The two things are not the same.
 
I have posted at length on this before, so won't repeat too much, but stop and think for a moment about economic growth in the US. Where does it come from? What are the growth options? Well here they are (very simply) -
1) You can grow productivity so that the existing people can earn more in the time they work. The normal route towards this is a combination of infrastructure improvements (roads, bridges, transport in general, internet access etc) to allow people to be more efficient with their time. The govt may also create the environment for increasing the number of better paid jobs by encouraging high tech industries etc. Pretty much what the Dems have been trying to do.
2) You can export more. That is best served by having strong trade links with (preferably) fast developing economies. But the US has walked away from those trade links on the back of a popular, but flawed, push to 'protect local jobs'. When you have a shortage of local workers, and businesses are struggling to grow, why do this?? It was done on the back of populism and the fear that could be created rather than any common economic sense.
3) You can borrow and spend to increase local consumption. Pretty much a key input into US economic growth for many years now. It creates the environment for future recessions and obviously has the potential to eventually trash the economy if the confidence bubble ever seriously pops.
4) You can grow your population which stimulates demand while at the same time providing the extra workers required to meet the increased demand.
And those 4 items are pretty much where all your economic growth comes from. So look at say the Trump term with those 4 items in mind.

1) Did Trump make any significant infrastructure improvements to help increase productivity? Not that I recall. Please correct me if wrong.
2) Did Trump do anything to create a wider export connection to fast growing economies? Maybe a little in the new Mexico agreement, but he walked away from the CTPPT agreement that was literally developed with the idea that it would be the US's counter to Chinas trade influence in the worlds fastest growing economic region. Why? Because it was easy to get populist votes by screaming about the threat to jobs, but the US already had a lack of workers problem starting to happen. Meanwhile, Mexico and Canada signed on to the CTPPT and the US is gradually going to face more and more competition in it's largest export markets as the terms of the CTPPT agreement kick in over the following decade.
3) Did the country borrow more to grow internal consumption? Sure did. Even without the covid impact, Trumps economy massively increased the federal deficit. How much productivity growth happened under Trump once you discount the effect of the extra borrowing??
4) Trump (rightly imo) took aim at restricting illegal immigration. But did he, or his sycophants, do anything to offset the impact of those actions on local businesses? No! This one is hard to maybe reach a solid conclusion on and gets pretty subjective. What isn't so subjective though is that Trump was (is?) anti immigration is general. Not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration as well.

But then Trump told us that he was going to grow GDP at a consistent 3% per annum while shrinking the deficit. But his core economic actions (above) didn't do anything to make that happen, other than his increased deficit borrowing. You might want to say that his tax cuts aided the economy, but take out the increased spending and the increased inflation that happened at the same time, and how much did the economy really grow in real $'s terms??? Even govt income went slightly backwards in real$'s from 2016 to 2019.

US GDP growth in a year vs US inflation in the same year
2017 2.24% vs 2.13% - actual growth 0.11%
2018 2.95% vs 2.44% - actual growth 0.51%
2019 2.29% vs 1.81% - actual growth 0.48%
Now take out the increased federal deficit spend for each of those years and see if there is any growth at all attributable to anything other than increased borrowing. Hint - The average increase in fed borrowing between 2016 and 2019 was around $130B per annum, or approx 0.6% of GDP. Now if your maths is like my maths, that means that Trumps "greatest ever economy" was a period of effectively shrinking GDP. Why? Because he didn't have a plan to grow productivity, latch onto the words fastest growing export markets, or improve legal immigration (and minimise the impact of cutting illegal immigration). His economic plan wasn't a cohesive economic plan at all. It was a collection of populist rhetoric that would get votes among the slow thinkers. There is a reason why Trump does a lot worse among the better educated.
 
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Transparent propaganda from the Biden administration.

Current US revenues are roughly $4.7 Trillion. They would have us believe that will grow by another $7 trillion in the next 10 years, merely due to all the illegal immigrants entering our country?

GDP is $27.9 Trillion (Q4 2023) so that's your first mistake. Secondly, $7 Trillion over ten years is less than a trillion in any one year.

Frankly, I could see our debt soaring by that amount - and much more, but revenues? And revenues largely from an uneducated, unskilled workforce (or as Nads Nadler put it - "fruit and vegetable pickers")?

Not buying it. Sounds more like a slick way to justify their open border policy.

If you don't know the difference between GDP and federal revenue, you probably shouldn't hold an opinion on the CBO forecast.
 

The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.

If I were to take that hodge podge of cherry picked references in someone's popular article as reinforcing anything at face value, I'd have to believe the CBO has turned into a disingenuous shill for wall street, you know the same targets that left of center anti globalists and occupy wall street activists bemoan as destructive to human values.

Leaving aside the whatever argument fits the moment as a ploy, MTA provides us all another lesson in media lying by omission as a virtue, rather than a vice.

Yes, increased immigration expands the economy.
Yes, the economy will be larger in 2033/34 with immigration than without it.
Yes, it can replace many workers that will retire.
Yes, it means higher tax revenue than would be expected otherwise in 2033.

"So what?" we should ask.

You see, all the facts listed above would remain true even if the US doubled it's population by allowing another 330 million of the unskilled with low ability from every corner the backward, uneducated, Islamic, pagan worshipping, hunter gathering, tribal people in the world.

But here is the point: those facts do NOT mean is that the heritage population is economically better off now through 2033. And it does not even mean that the average person in 2034, regardless of their national origin, will be on average economically better off with immigration.

A slight deep dip into the cited CBO report revels the author's lie by omission, while the national economy yearly growth will improve by .2% per year with immigration, but the actual net impact of such immigration will be a reduction in PER CAPITA income of .8% per year.

Here is the carefully hidden fact that unravels the whole of the author's con job:

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In short, the added workforce will increase the size of the economy and population, but the economy will not be able to produce enough to even maintain the level of output required per capita to equal that population growth.

I think this to be fairly obvious but for those who struggle to grasp this point perhaps an illustration will be of benefit.

Country A has a population of 100, and an annual growth rate of 10 percent. It's population does not increase so in 10 years each person will have (without compounding) share 100 percent of income growth.

Country B has a population of 100, but imports 100 immigrants to boost its growth. Now it's overall annual growth rate is 11%. In 10 years each person will share (without compounding) 110% of that growth.

Therefore,

Country B has a higher growth rate than Country A because immigration created a larger economy.
But Country B also has twice as many people as Country A to share in that larger growth because of immigration.

Country A has a slightly lower growth rate than Country B without immigration.
But Country A also did not add immigrants to share in that slightly smaller growth.

Country B has a per capita growth of 110/200 over a 10 year period, or .55 percent annual growth per person.
Country A has a per capita growth of 100/100 over a 10 year period, or 1 percent annual growth per person.

In short, you want to live in Country A because bragging about a big economy just because it has a slightly higher growth but a much larger population is meaningless cheerleading.

What matters if is the average growth per capita.

BUT for the author to be honest about this fact would also undo the great con of of immigration cheerleading. So that part of the CBO was left out.
 
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Thanks. Is it .8 pct a year or .8 pct after 10 years?
 

The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.
They are hysterical when brown people enter the country, whites are welcome.
 
Thanks. Is it .8 pct a year or .8 pct after 10 years?
In 10 years "in 2034"

so if you have $100 in 2034, you would really have $99.20. Its a real problem!
 

The US economy will grow by an extra $7 trillion over the next decade due to immigration, the CBO says


The US economy will grow an additional $7 trillion over the next decade as a surge in immigration creates a larger labor force and increases demand for goods and services, according to a new estimate from the Congressional Budget Office.

The findings from the CBO reinforce commentary from economists that suggests immigration trends in the US have aided the economy in avoiding a recession, as more workers help boost productivity without causing a spike in wage inflation.

"The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue," CBO director Phillip Swagel said on Wednesday.


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Perhaps some shouldn't get so hysterical about people entering the country.

Tell us the additional cost to the govt. (taxpayers) both federal and local, over the next decade and then we can decide.
 
Tell us the additional cost to the govt. (taxpayers) both federal and local, over the next decade and then we can decide.

People born here cost more than immigrants.
 
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